In the process of looking for the family of my gg grandfather, Alexander Stewart, who was probably born in Monzie, I found a possible group of siblings in the IGI online. One of them is listed as Angus or Thomas Stewart born Sept. 2 1798. Could someone tell me what the "or" signifies? Is it that the entry was not legible? Thanks. Virginia

Rose, The way I have it figured, Robert Rodger, married Elspeth Marshall in 1706, or then Catherine Ogilvy in 1707, and was the father of Robert Rodger in 1710. When the younger Robert married, his daughter was Isabel. Isabel married James McCainsh in 1772 and had John, Janet, James and William. I don't know who the other two sons would be. A missing link? At age 33, it would seem Isabel wasn't a young girl when she married. All-in-all, as a Monzie girl, Isobel would be family. I just haven't gotten around to plotting that line out on my "battle-board"! I do know that the Rodger and Marshall families must have had a close social bond, if nothing else. It was a Marshall that my great-grandfather worked for in Newfoundland when he left Crieff. I expect I haven't offered anything new with the above, but if I have, please let me know. Lawrence David Rodger, Patriarch, "CRNC, USA" http://members.cox.net/clan_rodger/ "Prayer to an Ancestor" I remember you. You did not live in vain. I love you. You did not die in vain. To Jane Rodger 1909-1955 On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 10:35, Rose Johns wrote: > I'm looking for information on Isabel Rogie (Rodger, Rodgers) who married > James McAinsh (McCainsh) 17 May 1772 in Perthshire. The Rogie family was > from Crieff; not sure about McAinsh. They may have had 5 sons and 1 > daughter. > > Anyone know this family?

I've been searching for some verification of what I'd been told over the years... that Patrick Peter SMALL owned a tavern and was an innkeeper. I found internet documentation of such, at least: Inns in the Carse of Gowrie, 1806 Return of Hotels, Inns and Public Houses, &c in the Carse of Gowrie Licencing District on 29th April 1806 http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/PER/inns.html Names of Occupier: Peter Small Where Situate: Longforgan What Parish: Longforgan Inn/Hotel/Public House: Public House No. of Rooms: 10 Can someone lead me to how I can obtain documented material for this? What would I look for? Also, what is the difference between an inn, a hotel and a public house? Thanks in advance, Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan

Rose Johns wrote: >I'm looking for information on Isabel Rogie (Rodger, Rodgers) who married >James McAinsh (McCainsh) 17 May 1772 in Perthshire. The Rogie family was >from Crieff; not sure about McAinsh. They may have had 5 sons and 1 >daughter. > >Anyone know this family? > > I have crossovers with the RODGERS... here is what I have: Descendants of John Rodgers 1 John RODGERS b: 1771 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: Abt. 1835 in Scotland .. +Elizabeth Montague BISSETT b: Bef. 29 Apr 1774 d: Bet. 1835 - 1840 .... 2 Katherine RODGERS b: 10 Sep 1798 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: Unknown ........ +George BERRY .... 2 David RODGERS b: 27 Jun 1800 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: 24 Oct 1885 in Somerset County, PA ........ +Susan WOLFORD b: 27 Jun 1802 in PA m: 26 Dec 1865 in Somerset County, PA d: Unknown .... *2nd Wife of David RODGERS: ........ +Susan SPECHT .... 2 Betty RODGERS b: 24 Aug 1802 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: Nov 1823 in Kingoudie (Dargie), Perthshire, Scotland ........ +Patrick Peter SMALL b: 30 Jan 1782 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: 28 Dec 1866 in Mill Hill Farm, Perthshire, Scotland .... 2 Agnes RODGERS b: 20 Dec 1806 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: Unknown ........ +Thomas ANDERSON b: in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland .... 2 Marie RODGERS b: 20 Dec 1806 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: Unknown .... 2 James RODGERS b: 24 Aug 1809 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: Unknown ........ +Sarah BELL b: in New Castle, England .... 2 Robert RODGERS b: 08 May 1914 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: Unknown If you have a connection, let me know. Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan

Hello Dolores, I have an Elspeth BRODIE, b.1793 Bendochy, d.25 Jul 1857 Kinclaven, m.26 Jan 1814 Kilspindie to James ALEXANDER (1788-1850), a farmer at "Nebs of the Gate" in Kinclaven. Elspeth's parents were Robert BRODIE, a miller, and Elisabeth ANDREW. She had one brother David BRODIE, b.1791 Bendochy. Does this connect at all? George Buermeyer Tuxedo, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. A Reimer" <tbook@sasktel.net> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: [PERTH] Brodie, Menzies Researchers > Hello all, > > I haven't posted in a while, but have recently been looking again for > information on Brodie and Menzies families in the Bendochy, Blairgowrie, > Cupargrange area....Are there any researchers out there looking in the > same places for the same surnames? > > Please contact me to compare notes. > > Best > Dolores Reimer > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: The Perthshire Mailing List is for the exchange of genealogical and historical information about the Perthshire area of Scotland. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html >

Hello all, I haven't posted in a while, but have recently been looking again for information on Brodie and Menzies families in the Bendochy, Blairgowrie, Cupargrange area....Are there any researchers out there looking in the same places for the same surnames? Please contact me to compare notes. Best Dolores Reimer

Thankyou very much Ian, I will follow this through. Best wishes ANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Edwards" <ian.edwards2@virgin.net> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [PERTH] Help > The UK National Archives website shows three men called John Dingwall who were discharged from the British Army between 1800 and 1850. These are: > > WO 97/831/124 > JOHN DINGWALL > Born STRATHPEFFER, Ross and Cromarty Served in 71st Foot Regiment; Ross and Cromarty Fencibles > Discharged aged 37 > 1798-1817 > > WO 97/916/31 > JOHN DINGWALL > Born URRA, Ross and Cromarty Served in 82nd Foot Regiment > Discharged aged 44 > 1823-1845 > > WO 97/1007/77 > JOHN DINGWALL > Born URQUHART, Morayshire > Served in 92nd Foot Regiment > Discharged aged 39 > 1805-1826 > > The 71st were later the Highland Light Infantry, the 82nd later became the South Lancashire Regiment, and the 92nd later became the Gordon Highlanders. > > The Army discharge papers for these men are available on the references show from www.pro.gov.uk > > Ian Edwards > Montrose > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anne marie mobbs > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:25 AM > Subject: Re: [PERTH] Help > > > Hi James et all. > > I am also trying to find out about a Drum Major, John Dingwall who is > supposed to be in the Black Watch. He was living at Strelitz near Cargill > between 1799 and 1805 where he Christened his children Elspeth, John, > Alexander, and Daniel. > > Any help would be gratefully appreciated. > > ANNE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Cameron" <jcam3180@bigpond.net.au> > To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:25 AM > Subject: [PERTH] Help > > > > Hello every-one. > > Can anybody advise me of the address of the Black Watch Regiment that I > > can contact to find my GGG-Uncles who were listed in the 1841 census at > > Aldershot Barracks. > > Peter.b10/12/1862 David. b 28/7/1860. and James b 1858 Cameron, all of > > Auchterarder. and their parents if possible. > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 1/11/2004 > > > > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Send all messages to PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > ONLY use the 'request' address to > > subscribe or to unsubscribe from the list. > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > ----------------------------------------------- > Visit the PERTHSHIRE Mailing List Web Site at > http:// www.rootsweb.com/~sctper/ > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: Unsubscribe by sending an e-mail to PERTHSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com with ONLY the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and in the body of the message. ( Use PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com > for the Digest.) > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html >

Does anyone know if there are any records on the overseer of roads? I'm looking for information about William Rogie (Rodger, Rodgers) who would have been overseer of that section about 1811.

I'm looking for information on Isabel Rogie (Rodger, Rodgers) who married James McAinsh (McCainsh) 17 May 1772 in Perthshire. The Rogie family was from Crieff; not sure about McAinsh. They may have had 5 sons and 1 daughter. Anyone know this family?

Hi James et all. I am also trying to find out about a Drum Major, John Dingwall who is supposed to be in the Black Watch. He was living at Strelitz near Cargill between 1799 and 1805 where he Christened his children Elspeth, John, Alexander, and Daniel. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. ANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cameron" <jcam3180@bigpond.net.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:25 AM Subject: [PERTH] Help > Hello every-one. > Can anybody advise me of the address of the Black Watch Regiment that I > can contact to find my GGG-Uncles who were listed in the 1841 census at > Aldershot Barracks. > Peter.b10/12/1862 David. b 28/7/1860. and James b 1858 Cameron, all of > Auchterarder. and their parents if possible. > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 1/11/2004 > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > Send all messages to PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > ONLY use the 'request' address to > subscribe or to unsubscribe from the list. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- >

The UK National Archives website shows three men called John Dingwall who were discharged from the British Army between 1800 and 1850. These are: WO 97/831/124 JOHN DINGWALL Born STRATHPEFFER, Ross and Cromarty Served in 71st Foot Regiment; Ross and Cromarty Fencibles Discharged aged 37 1798-1817 WO 97/916/31 JOHN DINGWALL Born URRA, Ross and Cromarty Served in 82nd Foot Regiment Discharged aged 44 1823-1845 WO 97/1007/77 JOHN DINGWALL Born URQUHART, Morayshire Served in 92nd Foot Regiment Discharged aged 39 1805-1826 The 71st were later the Highland Light Infantry, the 82nd later became the South Lancashire Regiment, and the 92nd later became the Gordon Highlanders. The Army discharge papers for these men are available on the references show from www.pro.gov.uk Ian Edwards Montrose ----- Original Message ----- From: anne marie mobbs To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [PERTH] Help Hi James et all. I am also trying to find out about a Drum Major, John Dingwall who is supposed to be in the Black Watch. He was living at Strelitz near Cargill between 1799 and 1805 where he Christened his children Elspeth, John, Alexander, and Daniel. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. ANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cameron" <jcam3180@bigpond.net.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:25 AM Subject: [PERTH] Help > Hello every-one. > Can anybody advise me of the address of the Black Watch Regiment that I > can contact to find my GGG-Uncles who were listed in the 1841 census at > Aldershot Barracks. > Peter.b10/12/1862 David. b 28/7/1860. and James b 1858 Cameron, all of > Auchterarder. and their parents if possible. > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 1/11/2004 > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > Send all messages to PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > ONLY use the 'request' address to > subscribe or to unsubscribe from the list. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== ----------------------------------------------- Visit the PERTHSHIRE Mailing List Web Site at http:// www.rootsweb.com/~sctper/ http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html -----------------------------------------------

Hello All Just to let you know that I will be going to the Mitchell Library, Glasgow and the Glasgow City Archives for the day whilst I am in Scotland, the week beginning 29th November. If you would like a list of what is available at these repositories, please let me know. Whilst in Edinburgh I will be going toWest Register House where criminal and other court proceeding are held. The National Archives online catalogue is at http://195.153.34.3/dservea/ I will be going to New Register House as usual and National Archives main building if requested. This is likely to be my last visit to Edinburgh this year. I am going to London for the week next week. I should be able to access my emails, but I will put up an auto response in case there is a problem. Looking forward to hearing from you. Best wishes Helen Curtis www.genealogicalservices.co.uk PS Please ask if you would like to be removed from this list.

In reading a 1768 Logierait OPR, if I'm interpreting the handwriting correctly: 1) What would the profession/trade be of someone listed as being the "improver to the Earl of Breadalbane at Taymouth"? 2) Where/what would the locale of Killuhangie be? Thank you in advance! Carol

Would like to find information relating to John Douglass (born about 1748) and his family of Tullimet and Ballinluig vacinity. Time period would be 1750-1822. His second wife was a Jannet Wallace. Came to Canada in 1822. Thank you!

-----Original Message----- From: James Cameron [mailto:jcam3180@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 8:37 PM To: Rootsweb Perthshire Subject: Search Please I know that I have been here before, but could somebody please look for me th parents of-- Donald Camron (Cameron etc)B 1725 Dunning m Helen Miller b 22/7/1750 Auchterarder (also her parents)b 1729about. Children:- Mary b 1750 John b 1751 Dunning Helen b 1762 Auchterarder Elizabeth 11.6.1759 Auchterarder, and maybe more. Help would be most appreciated. Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 8/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 1/11/2004

Hello every-one. Can anybody advise me of the address of the Black Watch Regiment that I can contact to find my GGG-Uncles who were listed in the 1841 census at Aldershot Barracks. Peter.b10/12/1862 David. b 28/7/1860. and James b 1858 Cameron, all of Auchterarder. and their parents if possible. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 1/11/2004

Hi again Here is my TURNER line: William TURNER m Sophia HAY 6 Aug 1792 Methven. Their chn: *John ch 30 Jun 1793 Methven d 1 May 1874 Tibbermore m Elisabeth YOUNG Andrew ch 8 Apr 1795 Methven Grizel (Grace) ch 21 May 1797 Methven d 5 Nov 1875 Edinburgh m James PROUDFOOT William ch 1 May 1799 Methven Rachel ch 1 Jun 1801 Methven d 12 May 1881 Redgorton m David ROBERTSON Sophia Beath ch 11 Nov 1803 Methven d 21 Dec 1893 Methven William ch 5 Jan 1806 Methven Helen ch 24 Nov 1811 Methven d 28 Oct 1891 Methven *************** John TURNER m Elisabeth YOUNG 17 Mar 1816 Methven. Thier chn: *William b 8 Feb 1817 Methven d 19 Aug 1896 Methven m Jane ANDERSON Andrew b 16 Apr 1819 Methven d 24 Mar 1870 Tibbermore m Isabella PAGE Sophia b 16 Apr 1819 Methven John ch 16 Dec 1821 Methven d 2 Jul 1904 Methven m Isabella Gloag ROBERTSON James ch 22 Aug 1824 Methven George Paxton ch 11 Jun 1827 Methven ******************* Wiliam TURNER m Jane ANDERSON 15 Jan 1841 Tibbermore. Their chn: Mary ch 24 Nov 1841 Methven d 14 Oct 1887 Redgorton m Alexander McCRAW Elizabeth ch 10 May 1843 Methven d 13 Dec 1925 Edinburgh m Alexander MELVILLE *John ch 20 Jul 1845 Methven d 16 Oct 1908 Tibbermore m Betsy DOWNIE George ch 28 Dec 1847 Methven m Amelia FAIRLEY James ch 28 Dec 1847 Methven m Maggie WALKINGSHAW Andrew b 8 Dec 1849 Methven m Grace WALKER William b 9 Apr 1852 Methven d 21 Apr 1927 Tibbermore m Helen Taylor ELDER Peter ch 17 Sep 1854 Methven Ann b 2 May 1857 Methven d 19 Dec 1918 Methven m David Walker STEWART David b 3 Aug 1859 Methven Jane b 5 Oct 1862 Methven ****************** John TURNER m Betsey DOWNIE 29 Dec 1874 Methven. Their chn: *Betsy Downie b 13 May 1875 Redgorton d 1 Dec 1944 Murthly m Matthew Rodger SCOTT Jane Ann b abt 1877 Redgorton William b abt 1880 Redgorton Andrew b abt 1883 Redgorton Betsey Downie TURNER was my g-grandmother. I would be happy to exchange info with anyone who finds a connection. Regards Elaine

Hi List Here is my SCOTT line. I would be interested if anyone can make a connection: Thomas SCOTT m Margaret SCOTT had the following chn: Kattren ch 6 Nov 1785 Methven Anna ch 1 Mar 1790 Methven *John ch 15 Apr 1792 Moneydie m Margaret ALLAN Helen ch 23 Mar 1794 Moneydie Thomas ch 23 Mar 1794 Moneydie David ch 26 May 1796 Moneydie Margaret ch 20 May 1804 Methven m Matthew Young RODGER ************* John SCOTT (Thomas) m Margaret ALLAN 22 Jan 1826 Methven. Their chn: Margaret b abt 1828 d 9 Jul 1904 Methven *Thomas b abt 1830 d 5 Jul 1915 Scone m Jane WHITTET or WHITTON Isabella Gregor ch 27 Dec 1934 Methven d 11 Apr 1863 Methven m James CARMICHAEL Ann ch 19 Jul 1840 Methven d 6 Oct 1930 Ardoch m Alexander WALKER *************** Thomas SCOTT m Jane WHITTET or WHITTON 20 Nov 1852 Methven. Their chn: Margaret b abt 1853 Perth d 18 Feb 1941 Scone m Andrew FORSYTH James b 6 Oct 1857 Methven d 15 Nov 1899 Scone m Jane DONALD David b 26 Mar 1860 Tibbermore d 8 Sep 1939 Scone m Jessie MITCHELL Thomas Whitton b 6 Feb 1863 Scone d 19 May 1930 Pitlochry m Isabella Stewart BLACK Ann Mill b 21 Mar 1866 Perth d 18 Jan 1941 Perth *Matthew Rodger b 4 Dec 1868 Scone d 24 Jan 1950 Perth m (1) Rachel HENDERSON (2) Betsy Downie TURNER Alexander Cramond b 26 Apr 1871 Scone Matthew Rodger SCOTT was my g-grandfather. I have a good deal more info if anyone recognises any of these names. Regards Elaine

Looking for relatives or any information on the descendants of David McEwen (or McEwan - b.1837 in Dunfermline, Fife) and his wife Ann Edward (b.1837 in Kinneff, Kincardineshire), who married on 21 March 1856 at Montrose. At the time of the 1881 census they were residing at 82 South Street, Perth. Their children at that time were: David McEwen, age 24 Alexander McEwen, age 21 James M. McEwen, age 17 William Edward McEwen, age 14 Ellen McEwen, age 11 Ann McEwen, age 6 Euphemia McEwen, age 4 and George H. McEwen, age 10 months. William Edward McEwan later married Sarah Elizabeth Taylor, and was residing at 18 South Street, Perth, at the time of the Great War. The couple lost at least two sons in the Great War: Fred McEwan, Driver T2/12931, 26th Company, Army Service Corps, who died in Greece on 18th June 1916. Age 18. William McEwan, Sapper 134164, 57th Field Company, Royal Engineers, who died of wounds on the Somme on 3rd July 1916. Age 25. Any information would be greatly received. Ian Edwards Montrose

Hi everyone I have been searching on the National Library of Scotland website lately having a good search of the maps they have online. There is an 1898-1904 - ORDNANCE SURVEY - One-inch 2nd edition map of Scotland, with coloured parishes which may be of interest, but the better maps are the older ones. I have had great fun deciphering where these places actually were and trying to understand the text! I hope its ok to list the URL: http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/index.html Change the Geographic Area to Counties of Scotland and then hit Perthshire Regards Julia Dundee, Scotland >>> "JAMES MACKENZIE" <mackenzie_aldclune@btinternet.com> 08/11/2004 21:40:36 >>> Hi Carol Take care with the Kirkmichaels...there are/were five! In Ross & Cromarty (Dist No. 79), Ayr(600), Banff(160), Dumfries(836) and the one you want in Perth where the District Number is 370. A map would be useful but as districts changed over the years perhaps obtaining a list of all Perthshire Parishes (eg fromKathleen Cory's "Tracing Your Scottish Ancestry") Good book on its own anyway. Good luck Ian Mackenzie(in Perthshire) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Hassemer" <chassem1@usa.net> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: maps of parishes > Hello, > > Is there a recommended map of Perthshire parishes? I'm researching my > ancestors (Taitt, Robertson, Rattray)from Kenmore, Logierait, Dull, > Kirkmichael and Perth. Also, in a listing of Perth IGI numbers, "Ayr" is > listed next to Kirkmichael. Can someone please tell me the significance of > this? > > Thank you! > > Carol > A proud Scot descendant in Wisconsin > > ______________________________ ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== -------------------------------------------------- ALL messages are recorded in the Rootsweb archives. http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html --------------------------------------------------