Dear Kathleen, You don't say where you want someone to look. Regards, Grant Buttars ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ > Message date : Nov 23 2004, 05:04 PM > From : PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com > To : PERTHSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com > Copy to : > Subject : PERTHSHIRE-D Digest V04 #212 > Could SKS do a lookup on 1851 census for John Ferguson who married Kathrine Duff and see if there are children? Thank you Kathleen > > ______________________________ -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Details taken from Gravestones: (Any corrections or information on is very welcome). John Robertson (Joiner) Trochry d. 13th Aug 1912 Age 75. His Wife Janet McGilchrist d. 25/3/1909 Age 76. Daughter: Janet died in Infancy. Sons: Charles d.14/11/1930 Age 61..?? James Donald d. 16/11/1938 Age 71. Peter d. 6/7/1944 Age 70. **************************************************** Ann McPherson d. 18/12/1934 age 65. Husband William Robertson d. 12/12/1944 age 80. ************************************************** Mungo Robertson d. 30/3/1940 age 69. **************************************************** George Robertson d. 2/5/1928. ************************************************* Alexander Robertson d. 27/1/1824 Age 84. ************************************************* John Robertson d. 12/12/1824 Age 84. Elizabeth Wife of James d. 25/5/1835. Daughter Margaret 11/12/1837 Age 24. ************************************************** Donald Robertson d. 2/10/1874 Age 82. Wife Margaret Forbes d.7/12/1888 Age 85. Sons: Donald died Infant. John d. 1850 Age 11. Peter d. 7/10/1885 Age 49. Daughter: Annie d. 28/8/1888 Age 58. ************************************************** Peter McLaren Elizabeth Robertson Died 26/4/1909 Trochry Age 74 & 77 Respectively. ************************************************* John Robertson d. 22/5/1797 Age 84. Wife Margaret Duff d. 24/7/1749 Age 30. Dau: Elizabeth d. April 1789 Age 59. Son: Alex d. 20/3/1767 Age 11. John (Pitleoch) d. Feb 1851 Age78. His Wife Margaret Campbell 10/2/1874 Age 77. Son John d. 29/2/1839 Age 78. His Wife Jane Hyslop d. 19/7/1927 Age 66. ************************************************** I'm interested if any of the above is linked or related to the following: My ggm Jessie McLaren Robertson Milne DOB 16/7/1880 Meikleour Perthshire Scotland. Died Trail BC Canada 13/1/1951. Her mother - Catherine Reid Robertson DOB 11/11/1846 Little Dunkeld. Died 7/11/1902 Newtyle Angus Scotland. Parents of Catherine Reid Robertson John Robertson DOB 30/11/1808 Caputh Perthshire Scotland. Died 20/7/1882 Craigvenien Dunkeld. Catherine Reid DOB Nov 1814 Little Dunkeld. Died 20/7/1882 Craigvenien Dunkeld. Parents of Catherine Reid James Reid DOB 8/6/1783 Little Dunkeld. Elspet Borrie. No Details. Married James Reid 2/12/1808 Little Dunkeld. Parents of James Reid James Reid (Father) Janet Robertson Married 24/6/1765. Alistair Bell.

Could SKS do a lookup on 1851 census for John Ferguson who married Kathrine Duff and see if there are children? Thank you Kathleen

Les, Aberfeldy cemetery was not opened until ther later 19th century, so does not feature in the pre-1855 MI books. Earlier burials are most likely to be in St Marys Grandtully, Dull or Logierait. If it is later, there no recorded MIs but burial records are held in the local Council offices in Pitlochry. Regards ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Allan" <l.allan@tesco.net> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Aberfeldy MIs - McIntyre > Does anyone know if there are MIs for burial grounds near Aberfeldy? I am researching my grandmothers family who lived at Urlar farm near there and I am trying to find where her parents William McIntyre and his wife Jane were interred. > > Thanks > > Les Allan > > ______________________________

I have the volume 1 east perthshire, edited by alison mitchell Volume 1, south perth, lower strathearn, 20 cemeteries Volume 1, north perth, cith of perth 9 cemeteries it has 18 cemeteries, strathmore and the Carse of Gowrie...... most of the MIs are pre-1855 I have a fourth book but can't lay my hands on it tonight I am happy to do look-ups but always explain that less than 1% of those buried in a cemetery had stones so finding someone with the same surname it can't be taken as gospel that they are your previous generation unless they are on the same stone.... It is worth looking for MIs and checking for burials with the local council parks division, but the records are not computerized, so you have to tell them which cemetery and the full death date. The MI books are sold by the Scottish Genealogy Society http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/ online shop mariners and ships is one of their offerings Mary in Oregon

Does anyone know if there are MIs for burial grounds near Aberfeldy? I am researching my grandmothers family who lived at Urlar farm near there and I am trying to find where her parents William McIntyre and his wife Jane were interred. Thanks Les Allan

Hi: I would like to re-post my interest in this family. I have gathered up some information on this family, through IGI, my own research, and the help of some very kind people. However, at this point, I'm wondering if there is "anyone out there" who might be connected to/or researching this family. Parents: James CAMERON, b. 4 Apr. 1787, Weem, Perth, Scotland his wife, Helen DRON, b. 6 June, 1782, Perth, Scotland Children: Helen, christened 5 Aug. 1810, Forteviot, Perth Christian, b. 23 Mar. 1812, Forgandenny, Perth Margaret, b. 22 Mar. 1814, died in Ontario, Canada, 3 Oct. 1891 Anne, b. 22 June, 1816, Forgandenny, Perth Peter, b. 17 Feb. 1818 Elizabeth, b. 20 Apr. 1821, Forteviot, Perth John, b. abt. 1823 These dates have been obtained through IGI, and have not been proved. The IGI show a marriage date for James and Helen as 1809, and being married in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. I believe the date to be correct, but obviously they were not married in Canada. James and Helen, along with two of their children, Margaret and John emigrated to Canada. I don't know if any of the other family came with them. Would anyone be able to help me in finding out when they came to Canada - I think it might have been around 1848. Thank you for reading this query. - Joy in Canada

Hi I've got a ton of photos of my great uncle and great aunt and unidentified family and friends. I wondered if anyone on the list had any Campbell's in their research. My great uncle was David S Macpherson b Nov 14 1889 in Errol died 10 Jan 1948 Dayton, Ohio He married Helena Campbell in 1928, possibly in the US. She was born 6 Oct 1886 maybe in Dundee. I know nothing about her or her family - I have a note that her father was R C Campbell, but like everything else, I can't match that to any information. I'd like to find someone researching the family to share the photos with. Pam

Anyone hearing or seeing anything on the Smeaton Family, please let me know? So far the following documents were located for my grandfather, William Smeaton, b. Crief, Perthshire abt. 1845. They are: US Army Discharge, military pension as an Invalid, Intention To Become a US Citizen, and a marriage certificate for my grandfather. In about 1857 William migrated to the U.S. and 7 years later joined Company C, 29th Regiment Michigan Infantry and fought in the Civil War. He was injured and subsequently discharged from the Army in 1865 at Harper Hospital, Detroit, Michigan. In 1892 he married his fifth (5th) wife Mary Melissa Wright, 15 years of age. He reportedly became a doctor and died in 1908 in Richview, Illinois, a year after Mary gave birth to my father, Raymond Campbell Smeaton. I was born Nov 12th, 1945 in Detroit, Michigan. My father died in July 1979 in Ypsilanti, Michigan where he was buried next to his only wife, Irene Woolsey, born May 29, 1903 and died March 1975. My two brothers, Maynard and Raymond and three sisters Renee, Marylin, and Anita are "still alive and kicking". Thank you! Robert (Bob) William Smeaton San Diego, CA USA Perth area. I am trying to find information on James WILSON and Euphenia ROBERTSON, living in Glencarse, Perth, Scotland in 1840-41. Could some kind sole please do a lookup in the 1841 census. I think that James would have been a domestic servant with a child Alexander about 1 year old. Thank you, Walter CA, USA

I am new to this list and I am just starting quest into my ancestry in the Perth area. I am trying to find information on James WILSON and Euphenia ROBERTSON, living in Glencarse, Perth, Scotland in 1840-41. Could some kind sole please do a lookup in the 1841 census. I think that James would have been a domestic servant with a child Alexander about 1 year old. Thank you, Walter CA, USA

Hello All I have a John FORBES who married Catherine STEWART 21 January 1786 in Kilmadock Perthshire, they had 2 sons, William & Duncan I am looking for Parents of John and Catherine, as well as dates of birth, places of birth & any siblings all information gratefully received regards Malcolm Australia

Hello all, can we generate some interest with this query? I have a Janet MCKINLAY who married 30 November 1782. in Kilmadock Perthshire, Alexander STEWART, I am looking for Parents of Janet, birthdate, and siblings onomastics would suggest Alexander and Agnes for her parents I also need the birthdate for Alexander STEWART, his parents and siblings, again onomastics would suggest James & Christian for his parents Regards Malcolm

Hi All, Could anybody tell me of a source for the purchase of the BIRTH,DEATH & MARRIAGE records of the parish of Alyth in Fiche File form please?? Cheers Geoff

Query: Under what circumstances would marriages have been performed under Warrant of the Sheriff of the county? Thank you for assistance. Eliz.

Hello Delores, I am also looking for Menzies in Perthshire, although I am not sure if they were in Blairgowrie. My Crawfords where in Blairgowrie and they married into my Ogilvies in Newtyle who did marry into the Menzies. Following is a short ancestral report of my Great Grandfather David Menzies Ogilive. Ancestors of David Menzie Ogilvie Generation No. 1 1. Rev. David Menzie Ogilvie, born March 10, 1861 in Hatton of Cargill, Perhshire, near Dundee; died February 27, 1937 in Miami Dade Co., Florida at his home 250 N. W. Thirty Fourth Street (The Herald Newspaper Obit). He was the son of 2. John Ogilvie and 3. Mary Menzies. He married (1) Barbara Jane Kaye May 17, 1887 in Cook Co., Chicago, Ill. She was born March 31, 1863 in Woodstock ON Canada, and died May 09, 1941 in Zanesville, Muskinghum, Co., Ohio. She was the daughter of Byron Kaye and Ellen Smith. Generation No. 2 2. John Ogilvie, born February 1835 in Newtyle, Perthsire, Scotland; died July 30, 1887 in Sarnia, Ontario. He was the son of John Ogilvie and Marjory Crawford. He married . Mary Menzies July 17, 1857 in Perth at Autchergaven, Scotland. 3. Mary Menzies, born 1836; died 1896 in Sarnia, Ontario Canada. She was the daughter of John Menzies and Charlotte Smith(Smyth). Children of John Ogilvie and Mary Menzies are: i. Marjorie Ogilvie, born August 08, 1857 in Auchengraven, Perthsire, Scotland; died 1930; married John Harris. ii. Charolette Ogilvie, born 1859 in Leblendy, Perthshire, Scotland; died January 22, 1945; married NEVER. 1 iii. Rev. David Menzie Ogilvie, born March 10, 1861 in Hatton of Cargill, Perhshire, near Dundee; died February 27, 1937 in Miami Dade Co., Florida at his home 250 N. W. Thirty Fourth Street (The Herald Newspaper Obit); married Barbara Jane Kaye May 17, 1887 in Cook Co., Chicago, Ill. iv. Jane Ann Ogilvie, born March 09, 1863 in Auchengraven, Perthsire, Scotland; died 1951 in Atlanta GA another notation says July 4 1950; married William Tyler Mosher April 14, 1886 in Cresent City FL; born March 03, 1861 in Tecumseh MI; died January 22, 1938 in Sarasota FL. v. Jessie Ogilvie, born April 03, 1865 in Auchergraven, Perthsire, Scotland10; died in Possibly as an infant, but not confermed. vi. Mary Ogilvie11, born September 06, 1866 in Kilspindie, Perthshire, Scotland; died November 16, 1897 in in Sarnia Ont. Canada; married William Morris Battle Abt. 1891; born 1863 in England; died December 23, 1947 in Sarnia, Ontario CA. vii. Christina Ogilvie, born November 30, 1868 in Dundee, Aungus, Scotland13; died 1932 viii. Isabella Ogilvie, born June 25, 1873 in Dundee, Aungus, Scotland; died 1934; married McDonald. Thanks In Advance Julia K. Hogston http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mytree/Tree2.html http://www.genealogyforum.org Hello all, I haven't posted in a while, but have recently been looking again for information on Brodie and Menzies families in the Bendochy, Blairgowrie, Cupargrange area....Are there any researchers out there looking in the same places for the same surnames? Please contact me to compare notes. Best Dolores Reimer

Thanks for your reply George, >I have an Elspeth BRODIE, b.1793 Bendochy, d.25 Jul 1857 Kinclaven, m.26 Jan >1814 Kilspindie to James ALEXANDER (1788-1850), a farmer at "Nebs of the >Gate" in Kinclaven. Elspeth's parents were Robert BRODIE, a miller, and >Elisabeth ANDREW. She had one brother David BRODIE, b.1791 Bendochy. > I am looking for Agnes or Anne Brodie b. aprox 1789. She married James Menzies sometime before 1812, as her first two daughters were christened in Bendochy 1812 and 1814. I have not been able to find a reference for her parents. This couple left for Canada in 1818 and settled in Oak Point, Greenwich Parish, Kings County, New Brunswick. If they followed traditional naming patterns, according to their children's names, Agnes/Anne's parents names could be Robert and Janet. If these were not nicknames etc. Best Wishes, Dolores

Jim, I actually complied this page. As stated, the list came from Lawrence Melville's book. Melville was however quite vague on many of his sources. I would guess it may have come from some taxation record or similar. The Archives at Perth may have some idea http://www.pkc.gov.uk/library/archive.htm Regards, ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Small" <jesmall@neb.rr.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:51 AM Subject: Inns in the Carse of Gowrie, 1806 > I've been searching for some verification of what I'd been told over the > years... that Patrick Peter SMALL owned a tavern and was an innkeeper. > I found internet documentation of such, at least: > > Inns in the Carse of Gowrie, 1806 > Return of Hotels, Inns and Public Houses, &c in the Carse of Gowrie > Licencing District on 29th April 1806 > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/PER/inns.html > > Names of Occupier: Peter Small > Where Situate: Longforgan > What Parish: Longforgan > Inn/Hotel/Public House: Public House > No. of Rooms: 10 > > Can someone lead me to how I can obtain documented material for this? > What would I look for? > > Also, what is the difference between an inn, a hotel and a public house? > > Thanks in advance, > Jim Small > http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan > > ______________________________

I just looked up the entry to check. Sometimes the IGI contains entries from member-submitted trees, that are not OPR transcriptions. This one IS an OPR transcription, so I would suggest that the original OPR actually says "Angus or Thomas". The only way to know more would be to order the film and look at the original record yourself. But my suspicion is that it is "Angus alias Thomas". Ryk Brown -----Original Message----- From: virginia miller [mailto:vjmill@telus.net] Sent: November 13, 2004 4:54 PM To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTH] angus or thomas stewart In the process of looking for the family of my gg grandfather, Alexander Stewart, who was probably born in Monzie, I found a possible group of siblings in the IGI online. One of them is listed as Angus or Thomas Stewart born Sept. 2 1798. Could someone tell me what the "or" signifies? Is it that the entry was not legible? Thanks. Virginia ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== Footer: The Perthshire Mailing List is for the exchange of genealogical and historical information about the Perthshire area of Scotland. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html

Grant- Thank you for the work on the page! Reading what was listes, I assumed it was a sort of tax record from the era. Is the Lawrence Melville book available somewhere? I'll also check out the Archives at Perth. Thank you, Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan Grant E. L. Buttars wrote: >Jim, > >I actually complied this page. As stated, the list came from Lawrence >Melville's book. Melville was however quite vague on many of his sources. >I would guess it may have come from some taxation record or similar. The >Archives at Perth may have some idea >http://www.pkc.gov.uk/library/archive.htm > >Regards, > >============== >Grant E. L. Buttars >Dundee, Scotland >http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Small" <jesmall@neb.rr.com> >To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:51 AM >Subject: Inns in the Carse of Gowrie, 1806 > > > > >>I've been searching for some verification of what I'd been told over the >>years... that Patrick Peter SMALL owned a tavern and was an innkeeper. >>I found internet documentation of such, at least: >> >>Inns in the Carse of Gowrie, 1806 >>Return of Hotels, Inns and Public Houses, &c in the Carse of Gowrie >>Licencing District on 29th April 1806 >> >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/PER/inns.html >> >> Names of Occupier: Peter Small >> Where Situate: Longforgan >> What Parish: Longforgan >> Inn/Hotel/Public House: Public House >> No. of Rooms: 10 >> >>Can someone lead me to how I can obtain documented material for this? >>What would I look for? >> >>Also, what is the difference between an inn, a hotel and a public house? >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Jim Small >>http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan >> >>______________________________ >> >> > > >==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > ALL messages are recorded in the Rootsweb archives. > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- > > > >

My apologies to those who will get duplicates of this message. I am trying all the Lists around Dumbartonshire, because probably there is a higher probablility that some Lister there will have the information I need. Another kind Lister has sent to me the exact reference numbers for the census listing for my GGgparents in Old Kilpatrick in the 1851 census. If anyone has easy access to this census and could transcribe the entry for me I would appreciate it very much. The data I have is as follows: Old or West Kilpatrick; Ward 387; ED 2; page 10 My ancestors are William and Lillias Morrison, shown on lines 7 & 8, with IDs 19196 & 19197, respectively. They were lodgers in this house and I would like to get a full transcription for all the persons in this house, in case there relatives or other details which could lead me to greater discoveries .... :-)) With thanks in advance .... Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as PROGRESS ... HARRISON Yorkshire > Staffordshire > London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GREAVES Yorkshire > London GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark > Orkney > Glasgow > Canada + Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire > Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness > Swaziland + S. Africa SPENCE Orkney FOTHERINGHAM Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire > Dumbarton > Glasgow > Australia (Vic) MORRISON Islay > Ontario BAIRD Renfrew HAM Australia (Vic) THOMPSON Suffolk > Yorkshire AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannanshire > Ontario McNABB Islay > Ontario MURRAY Dumfries > Renfrew SINCLAIR Perthshire > Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries + Lanark CALDWELL Tyrone > Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone > Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.