I am looking for Descendants of James Campbell who migrated to Tasmania, Australia in 1835. According to IGI records he was born 8th May 1804 Fortingall Perth Scotland, his sister was born 16th July 1806 in Fortingall whose name was Anne. Fathers name was Robert and mothers name was Jean/Jane Cameron I have copies of letters from a brother John and I think is Robert but signature is very hard to read. Robert is mentioned in Johns letters. The letters were addressed from Dundee although one of them was address Dundee (I think) Hithingale. The letters were spread out between 1839-1867. In the letters it is mentioned that Anne (sister) married Donald Stewart from Dinglevale. I think Robert married jean and John married Maria. There is mention that Aunt Cameron died in June 1857 and was buried in Dinglevale. There was also a mention of an Aunt Rankin who was not well. I believe that either John and Robert or both were involved in the Saddlery business as was their father. James was also in the Saddlery trade in Tasmania. My apologies if the spelling of the towns or counties are wrong, but the letters are copies and are very hard to read. If anyone is a relative of these people, and would like information on James, I have researched James extensively. He was my gr gr grandfather. Any help on these people would be appreciated. Jane Coffs Harbour NSW Australia

Hi, I am searching for any family of David SLATER who was born in1724 and in 1749 married Jean CRAIGY in Caputh. Their children were Jean b1750, David b1752, James b1753, John b1755, Mary 1757.William b1759, Joseph b1760, Thomas b 1760,David b1762,Peter b1763, Alexander b1767 & Janet b 1769. Any family out there? Helen in sunny NZ

Hi everyone, well I paid my 6 pounds. Unfortunetly as it turned out I only got 4 hours on out the the 24, but never mind. Got some good stuff never the less. I am lucky the ancestors I was looking for were involved in public life and had uncommon names. The key I guess to using it is like anything, being smart with your searches, use combos of the and places,and or occupations, I used "William Dods" and Haddington, Provost and Dods and haddington, "Provost Dods" , Dods and Seedsman, or used two related surnames like Dods and Sherriff. For someone like me on the other side of the world, this is a god send. I checked out a few pre 1855 death notices & I was wondering are there indexes for these that were published in other papers? Thank you Les and others for bring this site to my attention. cheers John Dods Wellington, New Zealand --- Les HORN <Leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Listers > Try this web-site. The Scotsman - Scotlands > National Newspaper - has gone on-line. > > http://archive.scotsman.com/Default/Skins/TSPLa/Client.asp?skin=TSPLa&daily=TSC&enter=true&AppName=2&GZ=T&FromWelcome=False&AW=1101829896132 > > If you have difficulty with the above URN try going > in through the Scotsman Web-site. > > http://www.scotsman.com/ > > This is a quote from the web-site :- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Search every edition of The Scotsman between 1817 > and 1900 in our unique online archive. > Find out if an ancestor of yours appears in our > births, marriages and deaths notices, or even in a > news story. > Read contemporary accounts of events such as: the > Highland Clearances; the Burke and Hare trial; the > inauguration of the Wallace Monument. > The archive will soon be extended up to 1950 and > eventually to the present day. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Best Wishes > Les > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > -------------------------------------------------- > ALL messages are recorded in the Rootsweb > archives. > > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > > -------------------------------------------------- > > ===== Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project,UK and the 1901 Candian Census and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness. NZSG member Researching BATTERS in Yorkshire BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & West Lothian BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal COLLINS in California & PA COOPER in Yorkshire DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, Vancouver BC, Montreal, Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India DOUGLAS in Lanarkshire FENTON in Edinbugh FISHER in Yorkshire FORREST in South Africa HAYTON in Yorkshire HEWAT in East Lothian LAMONT in Lanarkshire LEGGAT in Monreal MCLEAN in Argyllshire MURRIE in Lanarkshire NICOL in Lanarkshire RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire SEYMOUR inVancouver, B.C. & Montreal SHIRREFF in East Lothian SNELL in California, Oregeon SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in Yorkshire TROTTER in Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, West Lothian WATSON in Brantford & Barrie, Ontario. WEIR in Argyllshire & Lanarkshie WILLIAMSON in Edinburgh & North Berwick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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First, thanks to all who have written me such helpful and informative emails! It's wonderful how generous people are with their time, resources, and information. Second, whilst rereading the letters, another *possible* clue leapt out at me--I had always dismissed it as plain silliness before, but there's a slim chance someone out there may have an idea of what it means. There is a very brief note from 1880 in which my g-granduncle seems to refer, enigmatically, to himself as 'Mr. Perth's son.' I have checked and 'PERTH' is almost fabulously rare as a surname--only one household in Scotland in the 1881 census, and a half dozen or so more in England. The few PERTHs in the US census of 1880 are all of Germanic origin. Plus, my g-granduncle and g-grandfather, clearly and consistently used the surname ANDERSON in this country, although my complete inability to find them or their relatives in any UK records has led to a *very* slight suspicion it was not their proper name. It is extremely probable that this reference to 'Mr. Perth' is an inside joke, the key to which was lost with Uncle Dave's death almost 75 years ago. But on the off chance, can anyone out there think of another (and possibly genealogically relevant) explanation of why he would refer to himself as 'Mr. Perth's son?' Thanks again, Brian Chaffin Minneapolis, MN, USA

Ed Wrote : > Les: Thanks for info! This could be a > wonderful resource however when I > tried the "free" aspect I received a "teaser" > and then was directed to the pay page. > In that aspect it was diappointing. I'm afraid that's the way it is these days. These Commercial enterprises want to re-coup their investment. Even the English and Scottish Records Offices charge. Best Wishes Les --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Listers Try this web-site. The Scotsman - Scotlands National Newspaper - has gone on-line. http://archive.scotsman.com/Default/Skins/TSPLa/Client.asp?skin=TSPLa&daily=TSC&enter=true&AppName=2&GZ=T&FromWelcome=False&AW=1101829896132 If you have difficulty with the above URN try going in through the Scotsman Web-site. http://www.scotsman.com/ This is a quote from the web-site :- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Search every edition of The Scotsman between 1817 and 1900 in our unique online archive. Find out if an ancestor of yours appears in our births, marriages and deaths notices, or even in a news story. Read contemporary accounts of events such as: the Highland Clearances; the Burke and Hare trial; the inauguration of the Wallace Monument. The archive will soon be extended up to 1950 and eventually to the present day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Best Wishes Les --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Les: Thanks for info! This could be a wonderful resource however when I tried the "free" aspect I received a "teaser" and then was directed to the pay page. In that aspect it was diappointing. However, thankyou for thinking about us in Canada who probably would not have known about this new service. Ed. Campbell Hi Listers Try this web-site. The Scotsman - Scotlands National Newspaper - has gone on-line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

Hello I have just subscribe to the list as I am interested in LYON and ANDERSON surnames . I have found on the 1881 English census that the family I am interested in is on the census for Dollar Clackmannanshire. I noticed the parents were born in Kincardine Perth I am wondering whether there were any other families of the same name living in the same area about the 1800s. The family was Robert Lyon and Isabella Anderson I have been trying to find Isabella birth date to find if the parents I am interested in are the ones I have been looking for since they left Saline. Hoping someone will be able to help me Thank you Joyce Baber

Hi, I have just finished updating the Births - 175 new records added. 11,654 Births 9,724 Deaths 8,059 Marriages 3,185 Baptisms 394 Burials 1,276 Banns 34,292 Total records held Happy hunting!! Sue www.sctbdm.com

Is there anyone with access to the 1841 census that would do a lookup for me please? I am looking for John Fergusson & Kathrine Duff m. 1824 in Moulin Margaret Their children Margaret, 1825 James, 1827 Peter, 1828 Jean, 1830 John, 1832 Cathrine 1834 Thank you Kathleen

Dear List I am attempting to trace my Shain/Shean family of Perth. My ggrand father was baptised in February 1791. His record says his father Thomas Shain weaver now soldier in the Independant Company. I can not find any record of the Independant Company in Perth Scotland at that time. Can anyone help please. Many thanks Caroline Australia

For a general survey of Scottish living conditions try these two books by TC Smout. A History of the Scottish People 1560-1830 by TC Smout published by Fontana Press 1998 first published by William Collins & Sons 1969 A Century of the Scottish People 1830-1950 (This title may be slightly wrong) Regards Peter Ferguson ----- Original Message ----- From: <melmoth@scc.net> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:36 AM Subject: [PERTH] Socio-Economic Class late 19th C > Greetings! > > I was wondering if anyone out on the list knows much about life among the > middle and lower classes in late 19th century Perth. I'm trying to use > clues from a collection of letters written by my g-granduncle from 1876 to > 1919 to determine the socio-economic class, and if possible, any family > occupation, of my ANDERSON ancestors from Perth. I'm listing below the > clues I've gleaned from the correspondence, along with some of my own > hypotheses, and I'd appreciate any input list-members might provide. > Thanks in advance! > > -The family moved around some: Perth c. 1850, Dronley (outside Dundee) > the > mid to late '50's, back in Perth by the 1870's to the 1890's. One letter > refers to dwellings in America as looking like the inhabitants 'just got > off the boat from Cork,' so there may have been a residence and/or visit > to > Ireland as well. By the 1880's, family members were also located in > various parts of Scotland, Wales, North America and London as well. > Nonetheless, some family members were stationary for long enough periods > of time to show a deep interest in the cultivation of trees, shrubs and > flowers (to me this indicates they must have lived in a dwelling with > enough land for extensive gardening). > > -The family had a considerable knowledge of horticulture/botany. They > shipped cuttings, saplings and seeds to and fro across the Atlantic, and > in > spite of my g-granduncle's otherwise atrocious orthography, he was able to > use the correctly spelled scientific names of plants and proper Latin > abbreviations. Would this show special education or would it have been > common among the labouring classes at the time? > > -One letter, from Perth in 1876, refers to going up to Murie (an estate in > Errol) to see 'the carriage road Father and J. are making.' If they were > simply labourers employed on the project, it doesn't seem as likely the > road would be an object of pride such as to merit a special visit. > Perhaps > they were landscape gardeners? During the visit, Uncle Dave was given a > tour of the house and estate by the gardener (I think the housekeeper > would > have been more usual for the indoor tour, but perhaps there was a > friendship/professional association with the gardener). > > -The family lived in the village of Dronley, outside Dundeed, when my > g-grandfather was born. The chief item of interest in the village seems > to > have been a jute mill; perhaps the family were labourers in the mill, but > does this fit with the road-work at Murie and all the other botanical > references? > > -Some letters have brief passages in Gaelic, and my g-granduncle typically > signs himself as 'Dhaibh' (for 'Dave'). Would such use of Gaelic indicate > lower-class rural origins? Uncle Dave seems to have been rather snobbish > about being a 'full-blooded Scot,' and looked down on other ethnic groups > and those who were only part Scottish (like his descendants ;). > > -The letters show a consistent hatred toward the aristocracy and contempt > for the gentry. Two speculations arise from this: 1) they came into > contact with these classes as servants, or 2) they were yeoman farmers who > shared the common attitude that the upper classes monopolised the > ownership > of land (I know one needn't look too hard for an excuse to hate the upper > classes, but my g-granduncle's attitude is so frequently expressed, so > passionate, and so well-documented that it amounts to an obsession). > > -One of my g-grandaunts, Jennie, was in London from c. 1880 till at least > the mid-90's. My g-granduncle sent her a ticket to America, which she > never used. I think she must have been in service, because at one point > when she is incommunicado for a long period, my uncle speculates 'she may > have gone somewhere with the family for a brief stay.' (Presumably a > family she was working for?) On the other hand, she is subsequently found > to have been injured in a fall from a hansom cab; I don't *think* the > working classes typically took cabs at this period, but perhaps if she > were > a lady's maid she might have been accompanying her mistress somewhere. A > governess, I suppose, would be a slightly more likely possibility, but I > think governesses were typically from a higher order of society than the > spelling and grammar of the letters would indicate. I have not found > anyone who is likely to be this Jennie in any census of London (of course, > I've not found any likely candidate for any other member of the family in > any census available on ScotlandsPeople, either). > > -Another daughter, Jessie, seems to have remained were her parents for as > long as they lived; I've always assumed Jennie was the eldest daughter and > went out 'to seek her fortune' while the younger stayed home to care for > her parents. Would this have been the common pattern? > > -During the period of several months in which Jennie didn't write to her > brothers, there was also no word from their parents. It is possible that > the line 'she may have gone somewhere with the family for a brief stay' > might be interpreted to mean the ANDERSON family were on holiday. Did the > labouring classes take such holidays in the 1880's? On his visit home in > 1876, my g-granduncle says ' I'v[e] been thinking gan over tou Loch Liven > then oot west,' which I speculate might be a reference to a recreational > tour. > > -During this same period of lapsed correspondence, Uncle Dave writes 'We > get papers from home pretty regular. One had a note saying mother had > rheumatism in her arms.' Would a town the size of Perth have had a > newspaper like those typical of American villages that chronicle ever > trivial visit and illness of each inhabitant? If not, would this indicate > some distinction on the part of my (unknown to me) g-g-grandmother? The > only thing I've come up with is that she might have been a local > clergyman's wife, but again, the spelling/grammar of her son tell against > this, as does the complete lack of reference to religion in the letters he > wrote. > > Can anyone out there add to and/or refute any of my speculations? Any > input would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance, > > Brian Chaffin > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: Unsubscribe by sending an e-mail to > PERTHSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com with ONLY the word SUBSCRIBE in the > subject line and in the body of the message. ( Use > PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com > for the Digest.) > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html >

Greetings! I was wondering if anyone out on the list knows much about life among the middle and lower classes in late 19th century Perth. I'm trying to use clues from a collection of letters written by my g-granduncle from 1876 to 1919 to determine the socio-economic class, and if possible, any family occupation, of my ANDERSON ancestors from Perth. I'm listing below the clues I've gleaned from the correspondence, along with some of my own hypotheses, and I'd appreciate any input list-members might provide. Thanks in advance! -The family moved around some: Perth c. 1850, Dronley (outside Dundee) the mid to late '50's, back in Perth by the 1870's to the 1890's. One letter refers to dwellings in America as looking like the inhabitants 'just got off the boat from Cork,' so there may have been a residence and/or visit to Ireland as well. By the 1880's, family members were also located in various parts of Scotland, Wales, North America and London as well. Nonetheless, some family members were stationary for long enough periods of time to show a deep interest in the cultivation of trees, shrubs and flowers (to me this indicates they must have lived in a dwelling with enough land for extensive gardening). -The family had a considerable knowledge of horticulture/botany. They shipped cuttings, saplings and seeds to and fro across the Atlantic, and in spite of my g-granduncle's otherwise atrocious orthography, he was able to use the correctly spelled scientific names of plants and proper Latin abbreviations. Would this show special education or would it have been common among the labouring classes at the time? -One letter, from Perth in 1876, refers to going up to Murie (an estate in Errol) to see 'the carriage road Father and J. are making.' If they were simply labourers employed on the project, it doesn't seem as likely the road would be an object of pride such as to merit a special visit. Perhaps they were landscape gardeners? During the visit, Uncle Dave was given a tour of the house and estate by the gardener (I think the housekeeper would have been more usual for the indoor tour, but perhaps there was a friendship/professional association with the gardener). -The family lived in the village of Dronley, outside Dundeed, when my g-grandfather was born. The chief item of interest in the village seems to have been a jute mill; perhaps the family were labourers in the mill, but does this fit with the road-work at Murie and all the other botanical references? -Some letters have brief passages in Gaelic, and my g-granduncle typically signs himself as 'Dhaibh' (for 'Dave'). Would such use of Gaelic indicate lower-class rural origins? Uncle Dave seems to have been rather snobbish about being a 'full-blooded Scot,' and looked down on other ethnic groups and those who were only part Scottish (like his descendants ;). -The letters show a consistent hatred toward the aristocracy and contempt for the gentry. Two speculations arise from this: 1) they came into contact with these classes as servants, or 2) they were yeoman farmers who shared the common attitude that the upper classes monopolised the ownership of land (I know one needn't look too hard for an excuse to hate the upper classes, but my g-granduncle's attitude is so frequently expressed, so passionate, and so well-documented that it amounts to an obsession). -One of my g-grandaunts, Jennie, was in London from c. 1880 till at least the mid-90's. My g-granduncle sent her a ticket to America, which she never used. I think she must have been in service, because at one point when she is incommunicado for a long period, my uncle speculates 'she may have gone somewhere with the family for a brief stay.' (Presumably a family she was working for?) On the other hand, she is subsequently found to have been injured in a fall from a hansom cab; I don't *think* the working classes typically took cabs at this period, but perhaps if she were a lady's maid she might have been accompanying her mistress somewhere. A governess, I suppose, would be a slightly more likely possibility, but I think governesses were typically from a higher order of society than the spelling and grammar of the letters would indicate. I have not found anyone who is likely to be this Jennie in any census of London (of course, I've not found any likely candidate for any other member of the family in any census available on ScotlandsPeople, either). -Another daughter, Jessie, seems to have remained were her parents for as long as they lived; I've always assumed Jennie was the eldest daughter and went out 'to seek her fortune' while the younger stayed home to care for her parents. Would this have been the common pattern? -During the period of several months in which Jennie didn't write to her brothers, there was also no word from their parents. It is possible that the line 'she may have gone somewhere with the family for a brief stay' might be interpreted to mean the ANDERSON family were on holiday. Did the labouring classes take such holidays in the 1880's? On his visit home in 1876, my g-granduncle says ' I'v[e] been thinking gan over tou Loch Liven then oot west,' which I speculate might be a reference to a recreational tour. -During this same period of lapsed correspondence, Uncle Dave writes 'We get papers from home pretty regular. One had a note saying mother had rheumatism in her arms.' Would a town the size of Perth have had a newspaper like those typical of American villages that chronicle ever trivial visit and illness of each inhabitant? If not, would this indicate some distinction on the part of my (unknown to me) g-g-grandmother? The only thing I've come up with is that she might have been a local clergyman's wife, but again, the spelling/grammar of her son tell against this, as does the complete lack of reference to religion in the letters he wrote. Can anyone out there add to and/or refute any of my speculations? Any input would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance, Brian Chaffin

Hi Bob As well as looking for discharge records, as suggested by Ian, it is also worth considering the Muster Books and Pay Lists which are kept in the National Archives at Kew. They are in WO12 on the same website. Unfortunately they are not available online, but they do have details about the service history of soldiers during the period you are interested in. Time consuming to search but there are lots of interesting details, including periods of leave and the location of the regiment. I was even able to make a good guess at the date on which one of my ancestors was sufficiently inebriated to lose his good conduct pay! Good luck, Eddie, London ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob and Kristen Duff" <theduffs@suscom.net> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:36 AM Subject: [PERTH] Scottish regiments > Hi all- > I am looking for information on an individual soldier who served in the > 42nd regiment (black watch) in the 1830s and 1840s. Any good suggestions? > > Thanks > Bob > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > DON'T copy complete messages in your replies. > Cut and paste only the sections you need to make > your point. ALL messages are archived. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- >

Could SKS lookup John Ferguson and Kathrine Duff (his wife) on the 1841 census in Moulin, please. Kathleen

Bob, Go to http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.asp and click on the large button at the bottom left side of the screen which reads "Search the Catalogue". Once into the new window opens put either his first and surname into the "Word or Phrase" section. In the "department or series code" section put "WO 97". The will search their army discharge records, but only for a small period from about 1790-1850. You should get a result similar to: WO 97/1006/57 DAVID BLACK Born MONTROSE, Angus. Served in 92nd Foot Regiment. Discharged aged 25. 1808-1816. The last date shown is the year of discharge. That's all the information you will get, but at least then you will know that his discharge papers are available. Hope this helps, Ian Edwards Montrose, Angus

Hi all- I am looking for information on an individual soldier who served in the 42nd regiment (black watch) in the 1830s and 1840s. Any good suggestions? Thanks Bob

I am seeking information on a family of McDiarmid's who came from Killin, Perth, Scotland from about 1780. John McDiarmid and Margaret Campbell probably married around 1778 and their known children are: Christian/Christina b.1778 married Peter Campbell in Killin 1797. Isabell b. 1780 Mungo b.1785 Jean/Jane b.1786 probably married Duncan Sinclair in Muckairn, Argyll James b. 1788 Margaret b. 1791 probably married Donald McGregor in Kilmore, Argyll Anne b. 1793 Marjory b. 1795 At least one of Christian's children (Charles Campbell) settled in Inverell, NSW, Australia in the late 1830's. A number of Sinclair and McGregor cousins also settled in the same area around the same time. It is thought that other McDiarmid descendants may also have come out, but the female lines have not been easy to trace. Regards, Belinda van der Mast Penrith, NSW Australia