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    1. [PERSINGER] WV Persinger line
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    3. [1]ancestry This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dlellis855 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board: [2]Click here Message Board Post: Searching for info on my grandfather's heritage-- Harvey Louis Persinger 1892-1956 born in Botetourt VA later of Raleigh County WV; and his brother Earnest Clellon Persinger 1985-1952, born and died in Botetourt Va. They are sons of Douglas Belane Persinger 1854-1931 and Minnie Alice Switzer Persinger 1976-1956 of Botetourt Va. I have traced the history back and am in need or help from the 1920's to present. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. [3]Contact Us [4]Online Help Please add [5]notifications@ancestry.com to your address book to make sure you don't miss an email. You are receiving this email because you have registered with Ancestry using the email address [6]PERSINGER-L@rootsweb.com. Your privacy is important to us. View our [7]Privacy Statement for more information. Use of [8]Ancestry.com is subject to our [9]Terms and Conditions. © 2016 [10]ANCESTRY.COM [11]Ancestry.com Operations Inc. 360 West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604 USA References 1. http://sm.ancestry.com/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTImYW1wO21zaWQ9MSZhbXA7YXVpZD0mYW1wO21haWxpbmdpZD0xMDUxMDAxJmFtcDttZXNzYWdlaWQ9NTU4MDEmYW1wO2RhdGFiYXNlaWQ9MTQyNzMxODM3NiZhbXA7c2VyaWFsPTMzNTczMjU1JmFtcDtlbWFpbGlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dXNlcmlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmFtcDtmbD0mYW1wO212aWQ9JmFtcDtleHRyYT0mYW1wOyZhbXA7JmFtcDs=&&&105701&&&http://www.ancestry.com/s0/t18310/rd.ashx 2. http://sm.ancestry.com/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTImYW1wO21zaWQ9MSZhbXA7YXVpZD0mYW1wO21haWxpbmdpZD0xMDUxMDAxJmFtcDttZXNzYWdlaWQ9NTU4MDEmYW1wO2RhdGFiYXNlaWQ9MTQyNzMxODM3NiZhbXA7c2VyaWFsPTMzNTczMjU1JmFtcDtlbWFpbGlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dXNlcmlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmFtcDtmbD0mYW1wO212aWQ9JmFtcDtleHRyYT0mYW1wOyZhbXA7JmFtcDs=&&&275805&&&http://www.ancestry.com/s0/KEY/rd.ashx?key=Uhttp://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.persinger/345/mb.ashx 3. http://sm.ancestry.com/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTImYW1wO21zaWQ9MSZhbXA7YXVpZD0mYW1wO21haWxpbmdpZD0xMDUxMDAxJmFtcDttZXNzYWdlaWQ9NTU4MDEmYW1wO2RhdGFiYXNlaWQ9MTQyNzMxODM3NiZhbXA7c2VyaWFsPTMzNTczMjU1JmFtcDtlbWFpbGlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dXNlcmlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmFtcDtmbD0mYW1wO212aWQ9JmFtcDtleHRyYT0mYW1wOyZhbXA7JmFtcDs=&&&105401&&&http://www.ancestry.com/s0/t6713/rd.ashx 4. http://sm.ancestry.com/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTImYW1wO21zaWQ9MSZhbXA7YXVpZD0mYW1wO21haWxpbmdpZD0xMDUxMDAxJmFtcDttZXNzYWdlaWQ9NTU4MDEmYW1wO2RhdGFiYXNlaWQ9MTQyNzMxODM3NiZhbXA7c2VyaWFsPTMzNTczMjU1JmFtcDtlbWFpbGlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dXNlcmlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmFtcDtmbD0mYW1wO212aWQ9JmFtcDtleHRyYT0mYW1wOyZhbXA7JmFtcDs=&&&105402&&&http://www.ancestry.com/s0/t6028/rd.ashx 5. file://localhost/tmp/tmpEqoTQM.html 6. file://localhost/tmp/tmpEqoTQM.html 7. http://sm.ancestry.com/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTImYW1wO21zaWQ9MSZhbXA7YXVpZD0mYW1wO21haWxpbmdpZD0xMDUxMDAxJmFtcDttZXNzYWdlaWQ9NTU4MDEmYW1wO2RhdGFiYXNlaWQ9MTQyNzMxODM3NiZhbXA7c2VyaWFsPTMzNTczMjU1JmFtcDtlbWFpbGlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dXNlcmlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmFtcDtmbD0mYW1wO212aWQ9JmFtcDtleHRyYT0mYW1wOyZhbXA7JmFtcDs=&&&105403&&&http://www.ancestry.com/s0/t20855/rd.ashx 8. file://localhost/tmp/tmpEqoTQM.html 9. http://sm.ancestry.com/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTImYW1wO21zaWQ9MSZhbXA7YXVpZD0mYW1wO21haWxpbmdpZD0xMDUxMDAxJmFtcDttZXNzYWdlaWQ9NTU4MDEmYW1wO2RhdGFiYXNlaWQ9MTQyNzMxODM3NiZhbXA7c2VyaWFsPTMzNTczMjU1JmFtcDtlbWFpbGlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dXNlcmlkPVBFUlNJTkdFUi1MQHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbSZhbXA7dGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmFtcDtmbD0mYW1wO212aWQ9JmFtcDtleHRyYT0mYW1wOyZhbXA7JmFtcDs=&&&105404&&&http://www.ancestry.com/s0/t26859/rd.ashx 10. file://localhost/tmp/tmpEqoTQM.html 11. file://localhost/tmp/tmpEqoTQM.html

    03/31/2016 12:51:15
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Persingers of Galliopolis, Ohio
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: magrif Surnames: Persinger Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/341.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It appears this David Persinger I reference in the prior query that his parents were Valentine Persinger born between 1812-1820 at Virginia (Probably West Virginia now) and Malinda Shiverdecker (many spellings for that maiden name), she from Indiana? - I cannot find parents for Valentine but I'm suspicious his father may have been Michael Persinger. Anyone able to help out with this one? - thanks, Allan Griffith, Bloomington, Illiniois - email: magriffy@comcast.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    01/17/2015 11:52:15
    1. [PERSINGER] Persingers of Galliopolis, Ohio
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: magrif Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/341/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Can anyone help me find the origins of a Persinger family at Galliopolis, Ohio - The earliest I can find of this line was David Persinger born about 1855 at West Virginia. His wife is Lucy from Ohio. They have 10 children all born at Ohio and on the 1910 census at Galliopolis. So, who were this David Persinger's parents ? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    01/17/2015 10:58:54
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] John Edward Persinger 1867-1955; Botetourt Co, VA > Cabell Co, WV- what about Hezekiah Persinger
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KathyRoberts54 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/338.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Allan Could the 10 year old John ARRINGTON on the 1880 census be the same person as the Hezekiah PERSINGER on the 1870 census ? I know the age is off by a couple of years, but that's not unusual. Thomas ARRINGTON is listed as single when he marries Paulina in 1872, so it's not his son from a previous marriage. Maybe Hezekiah was John Persinger's choice and Paulina didn't like it. Or maybe the enumerator was really hard of hearing. Maybe he didn't actually visit the family (it happens !) and a neighbor supplied the information. The Appalachians are full of mystery ! Kathy Roberts VA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    01/13/2015 05:16:25
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Persinger myfamily site
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Persinger48 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/339.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would have also liked to have saved some of the documents and reviewed the information before the my family site expired. It's too bad that all of that information and great group of helpful people seems to be gone forever. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    12/01/2014 07:59:00
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Anna Belle Persinger Bromfield 1926 -2005 Hemphill WV
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: magrif Surnames: Persinger Bromfield Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/340.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Katie, Due to the confusion over your GM Persinger in other records, I would strongly recommend you get a copy of her death certificate and her obituary. - Allan Griffith Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    11/18/2014 11:34:03
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Anna Belle Persinger Bromfield 1926 -2005 Hemphill WV
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: magrif Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/340.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Katie, If you wish to converse more about this Persinger line, please email me direct at: magriffy@comcast.net. I have a lineage for Charles going back several generations.- Allan Griffith, Bloomington, Illinois Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    11/17/2014 09:55:36
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Anna Belle Persinger Bromfield 1926 -2005 Hemphill WV
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KatieLaineBromfield Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/340.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Allan, Yes that is her. January 30th, 1926 is her DOB, and she died March 9, 2005. Her wedding anniversary is also March 9th, but 1946.. Also, Charles W. and Gwendolyn are my great grandparents. I have Gladys as "Glenna" for a nickname, but no death date on her. It's a shame to see that her husband died young, too. I found my grandmother in some Persinger familytrees, but a lot of them had her listed as a stillborn from May of 1926. This clearly isn't true, as I am the living proof. I have no connections to this side of the family, and it seems as tho I cannot find any connections to her brothers and sisters either. There are not pictures or stories of her from anyone. My grandmother Anna Belle married my grandfather Thomas Claude Bromfield, but he died in a mine explosion in 1970 or 1971. I was born 20 years later in 91, in Florida. Far from the Blue Ridge. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    11/17/2014 04:01:37
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Anna Belle Persinger Bromfield 1926 -2005 Hemphill WV
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: magrif Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/340.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You didn't get an approximate birth date. May be hard to figure out if you don't at least have that. DO you know if there is an obituary for her or a death certificate. I have only one Anna Bell Persinger in my Persinger datafiles. That one born 1926 at West Virginia. This one was daughter of Charles William Persinger 1903-1945 & Gwendolyn "Gladys" Knight born 1904. That Anna Bell had siblings: Those parents married January 5, 1925 at Clay County, WV. Children: Billey ( male) 1928, Carl D. 1932, Ella Fay 1934, Norma J. 1938 & Milton Knight PErssinger born about 1941? - Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    11/16/2014 06:54:27
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Search for lineage of John D. Persinger 1860-1921, Greenbrier Co, West Virginia
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KatieLaineBromfield Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/328.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have nothing on the Persingers, they are the most elusive in my research. My grandmother was Anna Belle Persinger Bromfield, from Hemphill WV, but I do not even have a lot on her. I am from Florida, and grew up so far away from that side of my family. I wish I knew more. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    11/16/2014 09:32:06
    1. [PERSINGER] Anna Belle Persinger Bromfield 1926 -2005 Hemphill WV
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KatieLaineBromfield Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/340/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for info/stories/photos of my grandmother, Anna Belle Bromfield, maiden name Persinger. I don't have a lot on her, she is from Hemphill, WV email Bromfield416@gmail.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    11/16/2014 09:26:37
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Persinger myfamily site
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: persingerwh Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/339.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I recently received invites from a couple other sites -- similar to Persinger Family site - in which I was a member. They started up sites on Family4.org that look the same as the old sites - including Persinger. I think the link http://goclub.us/demo has a demo site. It appears that the other two sites were able to migrate their data/info. I assume it is too late to do that for Persinger -- but a new Persinger site might be possible. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    11/14/2014 12:03:41
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Persinger myfamily site
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: magrif Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/339.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Harvey, I think they extended it a few weeks to September 30, but that is now past. I do know that the Genforum.com message board is still available to view all messages but you cannot reply or put on new queries. What a sad statement as the sites were so good for genealogy. Money, money. - Allan Griffith Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    11/10/2014 01:24:10
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Persinger myfamily site
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: persingerwh Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/339.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It is my understanding that ancestry.com, the parent company for myfamily.com, is retiring the web hosting service for all myfamily sites on Sept 5 2014. I, too, noticed that the Persinger myfamily site had expired. I had hoped to review some of the files, etc., but it looks like it is too late. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    06/27/2014 11:41:34
    1. [PERSINGER] Persinger myfamily site
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Persinger48 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.persinger/339/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I haven't logged in for awhile but I just a message saying the myfamily site is being retired. I tried to sign in but it says the Persinger site is expired. Has anyone created a new site or any of the members created a new group? This was a huge help to me when researching my Persinger ancestors. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    06/06/2014 09:44:12
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] One reply to Lance's query about John Abner Persinger, born 1841/42 at Roanoke Co, Virginia
    2. Allan Griffith
    3. Lance, How about writing me via email to discuss this further. I believe I've recently heard this same exact story before. I also have discovered that the DNA contributor to help us figure out some of the Roanoke Co. connections and lack of connections was through a descendant of one of John Abner's sons, William Burwell Persinger. - Allan Griffith, Email: magriffy@comcast.net On 3/29/2014 11:12 PM, Lance Piatt wrote: > Dear Alan, > > Thanks for the response. > > First off, just so you know, I am doing this research on > the behalf of a friend. His wife descends from Emma Petty > PERSINGER. As family lore has it Emma was born in 1875 in > Pettis County, Missouri and that her mother died when she > was young. As the story goes, she was betrothed to a guy > in Virginia, but she did not agree to the marriage and > left home for Texas. > Where she met and married Charles McNeill, in Austin, > Texas. It is believed that because Charlie was much > younger than she, she lied about her age. > t > In 1889 two of Charlie's brothers were involved in burning > down a school house. When the sheriff showed up to the > McNIELL home, he was greeted with the family Winchester. > A scuffle ensued and rifle accidentally discharged > killing the sheriff. The two boys left Texas for Tacoma, > Washington. The father turned himself in. He was cleared > of charges, Charlie married Emma and the rest of the > family moved to Tacoma. > > Regards, > Lance > > On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:37:19 -0500 > Allan Griffith <magriffy@comcast.net> wrote: >> Lance, Will tell you what I believe about John Abner >> Persinger's >> line. All subject to scrutiny and open to correction >> and friendly >> discussion. >> >> First of all it is important to consider that as far as >> we can tell, >> the Roanoke County line has been shown to be genetically >> (per DNA) in >> no way similar to the Persingers in early Bot > etourt & >> Alleghany Counties >> of Virginia. But the Roanoke branch is a close DNA >> match to the >> Pennsylvania Barshinger line that Stephen Harold Smith's >> book is about - >> titled "Barshingers of America". >> >> How the two disparate U.S. Persinger lines relate if >> at all, is >> still up for argument and may never be discovered. >> These findings >> and Stephen H. Smith's book has caused a lot of mistrust >> in the old >> assumptions we've made about Persinger genealogy for >> over 2 centuries >> and I think should make us question for good reasons. >> There has even >> been some real and foolish anger expressed by some >> researchers regarding >> this argument. >> >> One scenario that would allow both to descend from >> the same family >> but not from the same paternal genes would be if a >> non-paternity event >> occured in the first generation from Jacob the 1735 >> immigrant. A more >> likely scenario in my opinion is consistent with what I >> believe that >> many of James Snyder's researchers seem to believe in >> that his line >> stems from Andreas, also of Switzerland rather than >> Jacob the 1735 >> immigrant and that those two men were not related, >> although both had the >> U.S. name of Persinger ..... although Stephen H. Smith >> has some very >> concerning arguments against that theory that are well >> explained in his >> book. >> >> All the above being said, it should be noted that we >> believe we >> have reasonable evidence to show that the Botetourt & >> Alleghany >> (includes later Kanawha & Greenbrier Cos of WV) branches >> are genetically >> equivalent to the BERTSCHINGERs of the Zumikon area of >> Switzerland (SE >> of Zurich). This by virtue of the fact that we have >> "Y" chromosome >> tested a man named Peter Bertshchinger in Switzerland >> who is a very >> close DNA match to those Persinger lines excluding the >> Barshingers and >> the Roanoke Persingers. >> >> John Abner was son of James Snyder Persinger & his 1st >> wife, Emaline >> Petty. That first marriage was March 10, 1838. I >> have that James & >> Emaline had 4 children. Some have a birthdate for >> John Abner of July >> 7, 1842 which is slightly different by one day and one >> year of the July >> 6, 1841 BD for him that you show. I have no evidence >> to support >> either so please let me know the source of yours. >> This is not my own >> work and is not well sourced at all in my opinion, so I >> would like as >> much verification as possible, thus nothing I say here >> should be assumed >> to be fact. How's that for a bit of genealogical >> self-sarcasm? >> >> I do believe that James Snyder had a 2nd wife, Mary E. >> Medley, with whom >> he had at least 2 more children, one of those children >> David William >> Persinger died fairly recently in November 1967. I >> show that John >> Abner Persinger died March 2, 1913 but I would like to >> know where he is >> buried and I have no marriage date for him with Louisa >> Burwell Harvey >> but assume about 1866. >> >> *I would like someone to help us out with what appears >> to be an >> interesting migration path for John Abner* - in that it >> appears his >> first child, Robert H. born August 1867 was born at >> Virginia (presumably >> Roanoke Co), but his next two children were born at >> Missouri 1869 & >> 1872 - Emma & Martha, respectively. Then the 4th >> child, Eliza and the >> rest were again born back in Virginia - the last 4 >> children starting >> with Eliza, all born at Virginia from 1874-1880. Can >> you verify this >> and what is the history behind the migration back and >> forth? I do >> believe he is the one found at Pettis County, Missouri >> in 1870 - do you >> agree ? I show 7 children from his 1st wife, Louisa >> Harvey and do >> not have children with his 2nd wife, Lucy F. - and do >> not know when they >> married but assume around 1899? If Lucy's BD of >> approx. 1851 and >> they married around 1899, is correct then it can >> probably be presumed >> she had no children with John Abner. >> >> Now, my hope is that we can stimulate someone from >> John Abner's >> line to do some DNA testing to help us unravel the >> global Persinger >> puzzle. A family DNA test and a "Y" chromosome test >> would be great if >> could be done before I become to feeble minded to >> comprehend the results. >> >> >> -- >> Thank You, Allan Griffith >> Bloomington, Illinois >> >> "What is Jazz?..Man, if you have to ask, you'll never >> know." >> -Louis Armstrong >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERSINGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERSINGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virus Database: 3722/7268 - Release Date: 03/29/14 > > -- Thank You, Allan Griffith Bloomington, Illinois "What is Jazz?..Man, if you have to ask, you'll never know." -Louis Armstrong

    03/29/2014 06:00:10
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] One reply to Lance's query about John Abner Persinger, born 1841/42 at Roanoke Co, Virginia
    2. Lance Piatt
    3. Dear Alan, Thanks for the response. First off, just so you know, I am doing this research on the behalf of a friend. His wife descends from Emma Petty PERSINGER. As family lore has it Emma was born in 1875 in Pettis County, Missouri and that her mother died when she was young. As the story goes, she was betrothed to a guy in Virginia, but she did not agree to the marriage and left home for Texas. Where she met and married Charles McNeill, in Austin, Texas. It is believed that because Charlie was much younger than she, she lied about her age. t In 1889 two of Charlie's brothers were involved in burning down a school house. When the sheriff showed up to the McNIELL home, he was greeted with the family Winchester. A scuffle ensued and rifle accidentally discharged killing the sheriff. The two boys left Texas for Tacoma, Washington. The father turned himself in. He was cleared of charges, Charlie married Emma and the rest of the family moved to Tacoma. Regards, Lance On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:37:19 -0500 Allan Griffith <magriffy@comcast.net> wrote: > Lance, Will tell you what I believe about John Abner >Persinger's > line. All subject to scrutiny and open to correction >and friendly > discussion. > >First of all it is important to consider that as far as >we can tell, > the Roanoke County line has been shown to be genetically >(per DNA) in > no way similar to the Persingers in early Bot etourt & >Alleghany Counties > of Virginia. But the Roanoke branch is a close DNA >match to the > Pennsylvania Barshinger line that Stephen Harold Smith's >book is about - > titled "Barshingers of America". > > How the two disparate U.S. Persinger lines relate if >at all, is > still up for argument and may never be discovered. > These findings > and Stephen H. Smith's book has caused a lot of mistrust >in the old > assumptions we've made about Persinger genealogy for >over 2 centuries > and I think should make us question for good reasons. >There has even > been some real and foolish anger expressed by some >researchers regarding > this argument. > > One scenario that would allow both to descend from >the same family > but not from the same paternal genes would be if a >non-paternity event > occured in the first generation from Jacob the 1735 >immigrant. A more > likely scenario in my opinion is consistent with what I >believe that > many of James Snyder's researchers seem to believe in >that his line > stems from Andreas, also of Switzerland rather than >Jacob the 1735 > immigrant and that those two men were not related, >although both had the > U.S. name of Persinger ..... although Stephen H. Smith >has some very > concerning arguments against that theory that are well >explained in his > book. > > All the above being said, it should be noted that we >believe we > have reasonable evidence to show that the Botetourt & >Alleghany > (includes later Kanawha & Greenbrier Cos of WV) branches >are genetically > equivalent to the BERTSCHINGERs of the Zumikon area of >Switzerland (SE > of Zurich). This by virtue of the fact that we have >"Y" chromosome > tested a man named Peter Bertshchinger in Switzerland >who is a very > close DNA match to those Persinger lines excluding the >Barshingers and > the Roanoke Persingers. > > John Abner was son of James Snyder Persinger & his 1st >wife, Emaline > Petty. That first marriage was March 10, 1838. I >have that James & > Emaline had 4 children. Some have a birthdate for >John Abner of July > 7, 1842 which is slightly different by one day and one >year of the July > 6, 1841 BD for him that you show. I have no evidence >to support > either so please let me know the source of yours. > This is not my own > work and is not well sourced at all in my opinion, so I >would like as > much verification as possible, thus nothing I say here >should be assumed > to be fact. How's that for a bit of genealogical >self-sarcasm? > > I do believe that James Snyder had a 2nd wife, Mary E. >Medley, with whom > he had at least 2 more children, one of those children >David William > Persinger died fairly recently in November 1967. I >show that John > Abner Persinger died March 2, 1913 but I would like to >know where he is > buried and I have no marriage date for him with Louisa >Burwell Harvey > but assume about 1866. > > *I would like someone to help us out with what appears >to be an > interesting migration path for John Abner* - in that it >appears his > first child, Robert H. born August 1867 was born at >Virginia (presumably > Roanoke Co), but his next two children were born at >Missouri 1869 & > 1872 - Emma & Martha, respectively. Then the 4th >child, Eliza and the > rest were again born back in Virginia - the last 4 >children starting > with Eliza, all born at Virginia from 1874-1880. Can >you verify this > and what is the history behind the migration back and >forth? I do > believe he is the one found at Pettis County, Missouri >in 1870 - do you > agree ? I show 7 children from his 1st wife, Louisa >Harvey and do > not have children with his 2nd wife, Lucy F. - and do >not know when they > married but assume around 1899? If Lucy's BD of >approx. 1851 and > they married around 1899, is correct then it can >probably be presumed > she had no children with John Abner. > > Now, my hope is that we can stimulate someone from >John Abner's > line to do some DNA testing to help us unravel the >global Persinger > puzzle. A family DNA test and a "Y" chromosome test >would be great if > could be done before I become to feeble minded to >comprehend the results. > > > -- > Thank You, Allan Griffith > Bloomington, Illinois > > "What is Jazz?..Man, if you have to ask, you'll never >know." > -Louis Armstrong > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PERSINGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message

    03/29/2014 03:12:43
    1. [PERSINGER] One reply to Lance's query about John Abner Persinger, born 1841/42 at Roanoke Co, Virginia
    2. Allan Griffith
    3. Lance, Will tell you what I believe about John Abner Persinger's line. All subject to scrutiny and open to correction and friendly discussion. First of all it is important to consider that as far as we can tell, the Roanoke County line has been shown to be genetically (per DNA) in no way similar to the Persingers in early Botetourt & Alleghany Counties of Virginia. But the Roanoke branch is a close DNA match to the Pennsylvania Barshinger line that Stephen Harold Smith's book is about - titled "Barshingers of America". How the two disparate U.S. Persinger lines relate if at all, is still up for argument and may never be discovered. These findings and Stephen H. Smith's book has caused a lot of mistrust in the old assumptions we've made about Persinger genealogy for over 2 centuries and I think should make us question for good reasons. There has even been some real and foolish anger expressed by some researchers regarding this argument. One scenario that would allow both to descend from the same family but not from the same paternal genes would be if a non-paternity event occured in the first generation from Jacob the 1735 immigrant. A more likely scenario in my opinion is consistent with what I believe that many of James Snyder's researchers seem to believe in that his line stems from Andreas, also of Switzerland rather than Jacob the 1735 immigrant and that those two men were not related, although both had the U.S. name of Persinger ..... although Stephen H. Smith has some very concerning arguments against that theory that are well explained in his book. All the above being said, it should be noted that we believe we have reasonable evidence to show that the Botetourt & Alleghany (includes later Kanawha & Greenbrier Cos of WV) branches are genetically equivalent to the BERTSCHINGERs of the Zumikon area of Switzerland (SE of Zurich). This by virtue of the fact that we have "Y" chromosome tested a man named Peter Bertshchinger in Switzerland who is a very close DNA match to those Persinger lines excluding the Barshingers and the Roanoke Persingers. John Abner was son of James Snyder Persinger & his 1st wife, Emaline Petty. That first marriage was March 10, 1838. I have that James & Emaline had 4 children. Some have a birthdate for John Abner of July 7, 1842 which is slightly different by one day and one year of the July 6, 1841 BD for him that you show. I have no evidence to support either so please let me know the source of yours. This is not my own work and is not well sourced at all in my opinion, so I would like as much verification as possible, thus nothing I say here should be assumed to be fact. How's that for a bit of genealogical self-sarcasm? I do believe that James Snyder had a 2nd wife, Mary E. Medley, with whom he had at least 2 more children, one of those children David William Persinger died fairly recently in November 1967. I show that John Abner Persinger died March 2, 1913 but I would like to know where he is buried and I have no marriage date for him with Louisa Burwell Harvey but assume about 1866. *I would like someone to help us out with what appears to be an interesting migration path for John Abner* - in that it appears his first child, Robert H. born August 1867 was born at Virginia (presumably Roanoke Co), but his next two children were born at Missouri 1869 & 1872 - Emma & Martha, respectively. Then the 4th child, Eliza and the rest were again born back in Virginia - the last 4 children starting with Eliza, all born at Virginia from 1874-1880. Can you verify this and what is the history behind the migration back and forth? I do believe he is the one found at Pettis County, Missouri in 1870 - do you agree ? I show 7 children from his 1st wife, Louisa Harvey and do not have children with his 2nd wife, Lucy F. - and do not know when they married but assume around 1899? If Lucy's BD of approx. 1851 and they married around 1899, is correct then it can probably be presumed she had no children with John Abner. Now, my hope is that we can stimulate someone from John Abner's line to do some DNA testing to help us unravel the global Persinger puzzle. A family DNA test and a "Y" chromosome test would be great if could be done before I become to feeble minded to comprehend the results. -- Thank You, Allan Griffith Bloomington, Illinois "What is Jazz?..Man, if you have to ask, you'll never know." -Louis Armstrong

    03/29/2014 02:37:19
    1. [PERSINGER] John Abner PERSINGER
    2. Lance L. Piatt
    3. Look for information on John Abner PERSINGER. John Abner PERSINGER Parents: James Snyder PERSINGER & Emaline PETTY born: 06 Jul 1841 Roanoke, VA died: 1913 ???? married: ??? Spouse Louisa Burwell HARVEY Service: Pvt., Co. I 28th Virginia Infantry Wounded at Gettysburg. Can someone please help me fill in the blanks? Regards, Lance

    03/29/2014 11:35:54
    1. Re: [PERSINGER] Emma Petty PERSINGER
    2. Lance, I don't have that 1880 census, how old was she then and where at ? I concur with your reasoning about her age being 5 to 6 yrs. older than later stated for the reason you allege. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Piatt" <piattpioneer@wavecable.com> To: persinger@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:08:53 PM Subject: Re: [PERSINGER] Emma Petty PERSINGER Thanks for the reply. According to a book, I just found, Emma was the daughter of John Abner PERSINGER. However, her birth year since 1900 has been listed as 1875. I believe that even though there is an element truth in the family lore, I believe the version going around is based on some sort of cover up. I did find that Emma was born 1869 based on the 1870 and 1880 census. She then appears in 1895 in Austin, TX at age 20. I believe that she lied about her age because the man she married was, at the time, 20 years old. According to the lore she ran away from home to avoid a marriage she did not agree to. I wander if the truth is that she ran away from a bad marriage. The next part of the lore is that while the couple was on their honeymoon in, Seattle, that they loved it here so much they decided to stay. Who does that? Maybe they were voiding something in Texas, and escaped to Seattle. Regards, Lance On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:00:03 +0000 (UTC) magriffy@comcast.net wrote: > Lance, James Snyder Persinger & Emaline Petty had son >John Abner Persinger 1842-1913. You are then familiar >with the census suggesting that Emma was the first child >born at Missouri wheras the older child, RObert born at >Virginia, next child Martha also born at Missouri... but >then the confusing part is that the next children were >supposedly born at Virginia, implying JOhn Abner & Louisa >Harvey moved back east after 1872 but before 1874. I >thought it looked like Emma was born 1869 rather than in >the 1870s as Emma is a one year old on the 1870 census at >Pettis County, Missouri - that census has the family >split between 2 census sheets, so that Emma is the only >child on the 2nd page at the very top and parents with >son Robert at the bottom of the prior page. - GUess you >also know that the Roanoke County Persingers show no DNA >similarity to the Persingers from early Alleghany & >Botetourt Counties. But the Roanoke branch does show a >DNA match to the Barshingers of Pensylvania th! > at Stephen Harold SMith wrote about in his book: >"Barshingers of America". - Allan Griffith > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lance L. Piatt" <piattpioneer@wavecable.com> > To: PERSINGER@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:33:58 PM > Subject: [PERSINGER] Emma Petty PERSINGER > > In Search of Emma Petty PERSINGER. > > According to census reports Emma was born about 1875 in >Missouri. However, family lore has her in Roanoke, >Virginia. There may be a generational gap in the lore. In >the 1890s she ran away from home to Texas to avoid a >marriage that she did not consent to. She then met >Charles Frederic McNEILL married and moved to Seattle. > > Because of her name I believe that she is the >grand-daughter of James PERSINGER and Emaline PETTY, but >there would be a generation missing there. > > Another part of the lore states that her mother died in >childbirth with the second child, that the child was girl >and survived, however the family does not know her name. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > Lance > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PERSINGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PERSINGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERSINGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/13/2014 08:53:29