Glodean & Mari, you have probably already been to these sites, but, if not should check it out. Is 99% positive that Perkins is my direct line. Have been working some on it. Sending you and the list "Season's Greetings". From internet <http://members.aol.com/dcurtin1/gene/winthrop.htm>: 1630, THE WINTHROP FLEET: Eleven vessels brought ' the Great Emigration' of this year, viz: ARBELLA the flagship, AMBROSE, WILLIAM AND FRANCIS, TALBOT, HOPEWELL, JEWEL, WHALE, CHARLES, SUCCESS, MAYFLOWER, and TRIAL. The first five ships sailed April 8 from Yarmouth, Isle of Wight, and arrived at Salem June 13 and following days. The other half of the fleet sailed in May and arrived in July at various dates. Altogether they brought about seven hundred passengers of whom the following are presumed to have been on these ships From internet <http://members.aol.com/WinthropSQ/planters.htm>: Pre-1633 Planters of the Massachusetts Bay Colony: William SARGENT