While this message is for Kay Haden, I thought it might help others. Kay, according to Wm Hall, who published "Descendents of NicholasPerkins of Virginia" in the 1950s, you and I are cousins with Nicolas as a common ancestor. He lists one of Nicolas' descendents as Grief PERKINS (1772-1831) who was the son of John Perkins (b 3 Apr 1738 in New Kent, VA, d 1805 in Goochland Co., VA and Lucy Mitchell. He also gives her parents. Grief m (1) Mary MITCHELL in 1795 and (2) Sarah MITCHELL in 1819, both in Goochland Co., VA. He died in 1831 in Logan Co., KY Hall also says a William Grief PERKINS, b ca 1821 in Logan, KY - d in 1908 in Greene Co., MO was either the son of the Grief above or Grief's brother John. I think we are definitely talking about the same person. Hall's work will let you take this family back to Nicholas in VA by 1640. If you have access to a local Mormon Library, you can order a microfiche copy of Hall's book and keep it there permanently. It it listed as fiche #6101214 and will cost about $1.00. My connection with this family is through my former wife, Mildred PERKINS (1918-1957) of Chester, SC. We trace back through a branch that was in Caswell Co., NC. Let me know if you have any questions. I have found Hall's work well documented, particularily for the earlier generations. I know others on the Perkins list have used this work and, perhaps they may have comments. Happy Hunting! Norm Morrison in Hendrsonville, NC Researching COBURN & STARR in Dutchess County, NY; ALEXANDER, GOLD, NAYLOR, PHIPPS, RUSH & WEBSTER in Philadelphia; MCLEAN (various sp.) & SICKLES in Northern NJ; BIDDINGER, HOWE, JACOBS & MERCHANT in Franklin County, Indiana; BRADSHER; BRAWNER, BULLINGTON, LEA, PERKINS, , STEPHENS, & WESTBROOK in Caswell & Person, NC and in VA & JONES, ROOKER & WOOD IN NC & SC.