Hi Earl In a message dated 00-12-31 11:51:06 EST, you write: << Mary Jerome PERKINS b: Paradox,Essex,NY d: 3 Dec 1943, Utica,Oneida,NY and John COYNE b: ,Cork,Ireland d: 1 May 1908 >> These individuals do not connect with the little bit I have on my PERKINS ancestry. I have posted this reply to the PERKINS List Mayve someone will have something they can write to you about Are you able to find ANY birth/death/marriage certificates for your parents or grandparents how about any obits in newspapers good luck you might want to subscribe to the Perkins list @rootsweb Bill