Dear Joe, The 1880 Fed. Census record on JOHN S. PERKINS will give you the state he was born in, the state his father was born in and the state his mother was born in. After learning the state of his birth, order that states 1850 Fed. Census film index for P-625 (soundexcode for Perkins).. Your John S. Perkins should be listed in his fathers household as age. 17. Good Luck, Annie "Ancestor's are easy to locate, their usually right next door to their neighbors". <hee-hee> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.