Anybody out there run across a Benjamin Perkins, b.abt. 1801 in Connecticut. He settled in Orange County NY abbout 1824. One of his son's was my great grandfather William Henry Perkins, born in Orange County, New York 1833> William Henry Perkins moved South thru South Carolina into Alabama before settling in Mississippi before Civil War. Dna does not seem to fit with any on Perkins dna research site of SC Perkins. Other sons of Benjamine were James, John, Benjamin, Charles. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Lee Perkins.

My theory is there may be more Perkins immigrants then what has been studied or known about. There could also be name changes, adoptions, mother's remarrying a Perkins and the son takes his step father's name. My brother kit #11293 has only matched exactly with one other male that was a known descendant of William H. Perkins born 1798 in Halifax County North Carolina. There is one match on the 12 marker and that Perkins male is from Anson/Mecklenburg Counties North Carolina and they go to Tennessee. We need an upgrade to 25 or 37 (or another male from that line) to take the DNA test to see if he matches kit #11293 and the other known descendant of our line. We are Haplogroup I which is the New England line fronm Ispwich, Mass., however the connection is very far back maybe 1000 years. We did match (off by one or two markers) with Kathryn's "Norman" line of New Jersey. I have researched wills and deeds and can not connect my William H. Perkins with the known males of Halifax County, NC. Even though I have proof of his birth there. I believe William's father must have left the area and started a southward migration possibly stoping in South Carolina. Either he or my William H. Perkins was in Georgia by 1818 when William gets a draw in the Georgia Land Lottery of 1821. He lived in Twiggs, Stewart, Randolph County Georgia and maybe a short time in Bibb County (Macon). After Twiggs county believe went on over to Barbour County Alabama as a couple of his children are born there then he in Stewart County Georgia. There is a Revolutionary War soldier, John Perkins that was born around 1757? that applied for a pension in Stewart County, Georgia. His information shows him to be in Georgia prior to the birth of my William. This John Perkins is also in Crawford and Marion County Georgia per his pension application. He is deceased by 1854 when his wid! ow Nancy sends in a power of attorney for his pension. Does anyone descend from this John and Nancy Perkins? Thanks, Paula Perkins -----Original Message----- >From: kenorman22@comcast.net >Sent: Apr 16, 2006 10:59 AM >To: PERKINS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PERKINS] Perkins in New England USA --- repost >I joined the Norman DNA Project and am ,also, "out there by myself", as well as other Normans. I did have a match of 36/37 with a William Perkins, b. 1738, New Haven, Conn. Now what does that mean? Possibly an adoption, change of surname or illigitimate child. This William was born about the time of our Norman progenitor (abt. 1737), however, our progenitor (Capt. John Norman) was born in Cornwall, England. > The genealogy put out there for William Perkins,b.1738, is faulty because they place William with a father who is only a few years older and siblings 30-odd years younger. Also, and this is the important thing....the DNA doesn't match this New Haven family of Timothy Perkins. > This William Perkins b.1738 is not connected to any family I can see. His Haplogroup is the same as the Mass. & New Hampshire Perkins families...yet, the markers don't match. If any one on this list knows of this gentleman I would greatly appreciate it. I found his DNA markers on an older (not the new) Perkins DNA Project which was submitted to the DNA Genealogy Mailing list a couple of months ago....so someone must know William. No one on the DNA Mailing List responded to my plea. > So, Mary Lou, take heart! You are not alone! > Peace! > Kathryn E. Norman ------------- Original message -------------- >From: "Mary Lou (Perkins) Lugo" <genealogy4ever@hotmail.com> > >> Hello, >> >> >> Nathaniel Perkins b. abt. 1730 in ??? >> marries Elizabeth Lindsey >> child = Nathaniel b. 1754 Canterbury NH ---- settler of Walden VT >> marries Martha / Mercy Heath b. abt 1771 >> Nathaniel & Martha had 12 children = >> 1. Johnathan >> 2. Betsy >> 3. Jesse >> 4. Hannah >> 5. Matilda >> 6. Augusta >> 7. Patty >> 8. Nathaniel >> 9. George ----- my line >> 10. Sarah >> 11. Urban >> 12. Susan >> I have info on ALL 12 children ... some more than others ... >> >> Nathaniel & Elizabeth also had the following children - >> John ---- i have info on this line also >> William >> James Lindsey >> >> Does anyone match with this ??? >> >> My father did the DNA testing & is # 5335 out there all by >> himself. Which lends all kinds of thoughts, did someone "take" the Perkins >> name as they were "wanted" under their's, were they adopted, etc. >> >> Thank You, >> Mary Lou (Perkins) Lugo >> >> Also Searching for New England USA, names: >> ALLARD, ARCHER, BOURGEOIS, BUSHWAY, BUZZILL, COLE, DROWN, FOSS, >> GRAY, GREEN, HEATH, HILL, HOUGHTON, LIBBY, MILES, ORCUTT, PERKINS, >> PRATT, QUINT, RAWLINGS, ROE, SHELDON, SIMPSON, STRONG, TUCKER ... >> >> >> Mary Lou (Perkins) Lugo >> View my genealogy at >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=mllugo >> Genealogy information from my web pages, through >> email or the USA Post Office is for PRIVATE use only and NOT to be sold or >> given to ANY for profit company (ie: FTM, Ancestry, etc.) mail to: >> genealogy4ever@hotmail.com >> >> >> >> ==== PERKINS Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to let the Perkins List members know about your home page! >> It's a Great Day to be a PERKINS >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at >> the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&target >> id=5429 >> > > >==== PERKINS Mailing List ==== > >Are your PERKINS out of Illinois, Maine, North Carolina or some other neat place? Tell the Perkins List about it! There is Family behind every tree here! > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hello Fellow Perkins researchers - Is anyone working on the Pitt or Craven county North Carolina Perkins lines? Thanks, Paula Perkins

Hi, Don: We are back from Susan's. The dogs survived, too! Brian and Susan had a good time, but they were tired when they arrived in SC. They found Ireland to be very expensive, feeling the benefits (?) of economic success. A German tourist told them they could buy a pint of Guinness in Germany for less than they paid in Ireland. ($3.50US) I have received the guide book and an e-mail from Marge, answering questions you shared with her. Betty sent the flight numbers (They were on our original registration form!). I hope to be able to check on seal selection options later today and I shall send you another message if I am successful. Other issues we can discuss when you are here next week. A nice weekend here. Hope all is well there. Cheers, Doug

Thank you, Warren.....but I'm afraid that's not my man. Peace! Kathryn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Warren Perkins" <perkybunch@hotmail.com> > Right now I have a Simion Perkins, father of William Perkins WFT Est. > 1792-1819. Simion passed away in the Town of Willet, Cortland County, NY. > > > >From: kenorman22@comcast.net > >Reply-To: PERKINS-L@rootsweb.com > >To: PERKINS-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [PERKINS] William Perkins > >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:59:25 +0000 > > > >Warren: > > Does your family in Broome, N.Y. go back as far as 1738? I'm > >looking for a William Perkins, b.1738..... > > Thank you. > > Peace! > > Kathryn E. Norman > > > > > >==== PERKINS Mailing List ==== > >Don't forget to let the Perkins List members know about your home page! > > It's a Great Day to be a PERKINS > > > >============================== > >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > >New content added every business day. Learn more: > >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== PERKINS Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to tell the Perkins List about your HOME PAGE! > A Connection might be made with the very next e-mail > Have a Great PERKINS Day! > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Right now I have a Simion Perkins, father of William Perkins WFT Est. 1792-1819. Simion passed away in the Town of Willet, Cortland County, NY. >From: kenorman22@comcast.net >Reply-To: PERKINS-L@rootsweb.com >To: PERKINS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PERKINS] William Perkins >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:59:25 +0000 > >Warren: > Does your family in Broome, N.Y. go back as far as 1738? I'm >looking for a William Perkins, b.1738..... > Thank you. > Peace! > Kathryn E. Norman > > >==== PERKINS Mailing List ==== >Don't forget to let the Perkins List members know about your home page! > It's a Great Day to be a PERKINS > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Try this link. It should work......... http://genforum.genealogy.com/perkins/messages/7405.html Sincerely, Denise Perkins Ready ----- Original Message ----- > Denis, > > That link is no good. I have Perkins family in the area of Broome County, > N.Y., but I don't have any John's... > > Warren Perkins -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006

Pls excuse if this is a repeat but we have had trouble with our email for the last week. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bob King <robertwking2001@gmail.com> Date: Apr 17, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Justin William Perkins 1700-1650 To: Perkins-L@rootsweb.com Hi... I am brand new to this list and I am looking for any information Justin William Perkins b 8/31/1864. He married Judith Clough on 11/29/1789 in Stafford Tolland CT. Does anyone have information on his siblings or his death date or his parents information. -- Bob King bob@122walnut.com Researching in New England for Archambaul_t (RI), Barre_tt (MA/CT), Birdse_y, Chilt_on, Cloug_h, Curti_ss, Dayto_n, Gree_ne, Hawle_y, Hildrit_h, Keit_h, Kidde_r, Kin_g (NY), Lath_am, Mar_ois, Nicho_ls, Orcut_t, Perkin-s, Pra_tt, Roo_t, Smi_th, Trave_rs, Uffo_rd, Wa_rd, Washbu_rn, Winsl_ow, Wint_on, Willia_ms -- Bob King bob@122walnut.com Researching in New England for Archambaul_t (RI), Barre_tt (MA/CT), Birdse_y, Brambl_e, Chilt_on, Cloug_h, Curti_ss, Dayto_n, Gree_ne, Hawle_y, Hildrit_h, Keit_h, Kidde_r, Kin_g (NY), Lath_am, Mar_ois, Nicho_ls, Orcut_t, Perkin_s, Pra_tt, Roo_t, Smi_th, Trave_rs, Uffo_rd, Wa_rd, Washbu_rn, Winsl_ow, Wint_on, Willia_ms

Warren: Does your family in Broome, N.Y. go back as far as 1738? I'm looking for a William Perkins, b.1738..... Thank you. Peace! Kathryn E. Norman

Denis, That link is no good. I have Perkins family in the area of Broome County, N.Y., but I don't have any John's... Warren Perkins >From: "Denise Perkins Ready" <DReady@wi.rr.com> >Reply-To: PERKINS-L@rootsweb.com >To: PERKINS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PERKINS] John B. Perkins b.1843 Broome Co.,NY, Son of John & >Harriet (??)- Help >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:25:12 -0500 > >Dear Perkins-Listers, > >With Permission from Marcia, I have reposted her message to me that she >left at GenForum. If anyone has information for her concerning this John >B. Perkins, please respond back to the list or directly to Marcia or >post a reply on the Genforum string..... > > >http://genealogy.com/perkins/messages/7405.html > > >I am part of a group of researchers who are trying to collect info on >all the War of 1812 & the Civil War Veteran's of Monroe Co., WI > >One of our veteran's is John B. Perkins, son of John. He was b. August >31, 1843 in Broome Co., NY. I need the name of his mother and the birth >dates for both his parents. If you can help us fill in the blanks we >would be grateful > >We are fortunate to have funding for our book and can include photos and >all letters/diaries, etc. that pertain to the War. If you have such and >would like to share, please let us know. > >If you have any info on these men, or if you believe that any info I >sent you is incorrect, please let me know. Pictures, etc would be very >welcome. > >My e-mail if MStaton@Tomah.com. > >Thank you. Marcia > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.0/325 - Release Date: 4/26/2006 > > >==== PERKINS Mailing List ==== >Don't forget to let the Perkins List members know about your home page! > It's a Great Day to be a PERKINS > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hi Kellie, Do you know any thing else about your Thomas J. Perkins,like the names of any brothers or sisters. Are you shore he was born in 1874. Mark

Dear Perkins-Listers, With Permission from Marcia, I have reposted her message to me that she left at GenForum. If anyone has information for her concerning this John B. Perkins, please respond back to the list or directly to Marcia or post a reply on the Genforum string..... http://genealogy.com/perkins/messages/7405.html I am part of a group of researchers who are trying to collect info on all the War of 1812 & the Civil War Veteran's of Monroe Co., WI One of our veteran's is John B. Perkins, son of John. He was b. August 31, 1843 in Broome Co., NY. I need the name of his mother and the birth dates for both his parents. If you can help us fill in the blanks we would be grateful We are fortunate to have funding for our book and can include photos and all letters/diaries, etc. that pertain to the War. If you have such and would like to share, please let us know. If you have any info on these men, or if you believe that any info I sent you is incorrect, please let me know. Pictures, etc would be very welcome. My e-mail if MStaton@Tomah.com. Thank you. Marcia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.0/325 - Release Date: 4/26/2006

My name is Lucille Perkins Robinson and here are my ancestors from the oldest to the most present; from about the 4th generation on down, most were Louisiana born: Direct Descendants of Joshua Perkins 1 Joshua Perkins.. +Mary Black ...2 Joshua Perkins II 1759 - 1830...+Frances Pettyjohn 1761 - 1820 ....... 3 George Perkins 1786 - 1860... +Mary Ashworth 1792 - 1860 ............ 4 Gibson Perkins 1820 - 1889..+Melinda Goins 1822 - 1889 ................. 5 William Perkins 1858 - 1880... +Martha Ann Ashworth 1858 - 1953 ..................... 6 [2] Aaron R. Perkins 1874 - 1960..+[1] Neomi Smith 1886 - 1925 ......................... 7 [3] Chester Allen Perkins 1913 - 1979..+[4] Ora Lee Johnson 1908 - 1953 .............................. 8 [5] Lucille Perkins 1945 - ..............4 Hannah Perkins 1831 - 1880...+Isiah Thompson Ashworth I 1829 - 1901 ..................5 Matilda Ashworth 1861 - 1900... +Henry S. Smith 1853 - 1913 ........................ 6 [1] Neomi Smith 1886 - 1925...+[2] Aaron R. Perkins 1874 - 1960 .............................7 [3] Chester Allen Perkins 1913 - 1979....+[4] Ora Lee Johnson 1908 - 1953 .................................8 [5] Lucille Perkins 1945 -

I am searching for family connections with the following Perkins family in the UK James Perkins born abt 1858 Checkley Parish Staffordshire, England. He married twice. Married Margaret Davies born abt 1858, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales. When did she died and where? Children: Fredrick Christmas Perkins born 25 December 1877, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales Edith Perkins born abt 1877 as above. Albert S Perkins born abt 1879, Southport Lanacashire England.served in the 1st World War on the ship HMS Portia Cenus 1891 James was now remarried to Alice Ann Frost, (I think was called Ann) , born abt 1864, Checkley Staffordshire. England. Had a brother Lewis born abt 1873, Checkley Staffordshire who was living with them Cenus 1891 Children Mary Perkins born abt 1882 Southport Lancashire Sarah Perkins born abt 1888 Joseph Arthur Perkins born 30 May 1889 Southport Lancashire. Both Fredrick and Joseph moved to NZ, I dont think Fredrick married but Joseph Arthur did. He married Eveline Elizabeth Thomas, 15 November 1920 Wellington New Zealand. I would love some connection to some family member somewhere. Many thanks Barbara

Greetings Listers, I must say I do love these roll calls. Again, here is my brick wall. I cannot get past Thomas Jefferson "Jeff" Perkins, born 1874 Morgan County, KY...died 27 MAR 1952 Adaire County, Kentucky. "Jeff" married Myrtle Thompson (26 NOV 1886 Cannel, KY - 19 MAR 1968 Knifley, KY) before 1912. Known children of this marriage are Edna M. Perkins - 18 APR 1912 - early 2003, Nora Lee Perkins - 23 MAR 1914 (still alive), Gussie - abt 1918, Lara - abt 1920, Leonard - 23 FEB 1926 - 31 MAR 1994, Oconal - abt 1928, and Ansel 19 FEB 1930 - 21 OCT 1999. Nora is my grandmother. She is the only child of "Jeff" Perkins living. However, she is 92 and has a bit of alzheimers. She has had problems for years and this is all I could ever get from her. If anyone knows of this family, please help me over the wall. Thank you for your time. Kellie Barnett --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

DOES ANYONE KNOW MALCOLM VERNON PERKINS BORN IN 1875 AND DIED IN 1936. HE IS BURIED IN MT.ZION CEMETERY IN INDEPENDENCE, MS. HIS WIFE WAS LULA BOYD JONES BORN IN 1879 AND DIED IN 1938. SHE IS ALSO BURIED IN INDEPENDENCE, MS. HIS PARENTS ARE: POWHATAN PERKINS AND IDA HANCOCK. THANKS IN ADVANCE, CHRISTINA DARNELL

Hi, In response to your roll call request - my Perkins is my biggest brick wall. Joseph PERKINS, born about 1853 in Darleston Staffordshire or Birmingham Warwickshire, son of James PERKINS, a contractor. Was musicisan/music teacher/publican in Aberdare, Glamorgan from 1881 till his death in 1908. Married 1) Elizabeth HOWELLS 2) Josephine Helen CARTER No other clues - other than he may have been Catholic, since he was buried in a Catholic section of the cemetary. Any list members in England come across him? Thanks, Denise

Jenny My Fred Perkins middle initial is B. Born in 1871 in Maine but I don't have a place of birth. John's other children that I have found were Almeda A. Perkins, Rose M. Perkins, Arthur C. Perkins, and Beatrice Perkins. They are probably all related somehow as Penobscot and Orland Maine are up towards Bangor. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Gibbons" <jenny@panix.com> To: <PERKINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [PERKINS] Perkins from Maine > Cindy, do you know if your John L. PERKINS had a son named Frederick W. > PERKINS? > > I've only been able to trace my PERKINS ancestors back to this Frederick > (b May 5th, 1853; married Caroline ACHESON; d Jan 16th, 1933 in Orono, > ME). I don't know Fred's parents. Some records say he was born in Canada, > others in England; however several census entries report that his father > was born in Maine. Fred W. married Caroline ACHESON in New Brunswick, > Canada; the couple was living in St. David, New Brunswick in 1881 but > emigrated to Maine soon thereafter. They were in Vanceboro, Washington > Co., Maine in 1900, then moved to Bangor, ME by 1910 and spent the rest of > their lives in Bangor and Orono. > > Fred and Caroline's children were Willis (maybe Willie), Nellie M., Frank > H., Grace Lena, Harry R., and Christiana PERKINS (all born in Maine > between 1881 and 1895). > > I'm descended from Grace Lena PERKINS (b 1889 in Vanceboro, ME; married > William S. CARLISLE in Bangor, ME in 1912; died 1979 in Bangor, ME. > > Her daughter was my grandmother, Virginia CARLISLE (b 1917 in Bangor, ME; > married Donald Francis GIBBONS in Bangor, ME in 1937; died 1972 in > Burlington, VT). > > Jenny Gibbons > > > ==== PERKINS Mailing List ==== > > Are your PERKINS out of Illinois, Maine, North Carolina or some other neat > place? Tell the Perkins List about it! There is Family behind every tree > here! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Gibbons" <jenny@panix.com> To: <PERKINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [PERKINS] Perkins from Maine > Cindy, do you know if your John L. PERKINS had a son named Frederick W. > PERKINS? > > I've only been able to trace my PERKINS ancestors back to this Frederick > (b May 5th, 1853; married Caroline ACHESON; d Jan 16th, 1933 in Orono, > ME). I don't know Fred's parents. Some records say he was born in Canada, > others in England; however several census entries report that his father > was born in Maine. Fred W. married Caroline ACHESON in New Brunswick, > Canada; the couple was living in St. David, New Brunswick in 1881 but > emigrated to Maine soon thereafter. They were in Vanceboro, Washington > Co., Maine in 1900, then moved to Bangor, ME by 1910 and spent the rest of > their lives in Bangor and Orono. > > Fred and Caroline's children were Willis (maybe Willie), Nellie M., Frank > H., Grace Lena, Harry R., and Christiana PERKINS (all born in Maine > between 1881 and 1895). > > I'm descended from Grace Lena PERKINS (b 1889 in Vanceboro, ME; married > William S. CARLISLE in Bangor, ME in 1912; died 1979 in Bangor, ME. > > Her daughter was my grandmother, Virginia CARLISLE (b 1917 in Bangor, ME; > married Donald Francis GIBBONS in Bangor, ME in 1937; died 1972 in > Burlington, VT). > > Jenny Gibbons > > > ==== PERKINS Mailing List ==== > > Are your PERKINS out of Illinois, Maine, North Carolina or some other neat > place? Tell the Perkins List about it! There is Family behind every tree > here! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

looking for any info on this family, Charles W. Perkins born 1841 in Valle Twp., Jefferson Co.,Mo. died March 31, 1881, Farmington, St. Francois Co., Mo. He Married Elizabeth {last name may be} Cross, born abt 1840 in Mo. or KY. Children Harriet Perkins born abt 1869 MO. she may have married Samuel M. Alley Sarah Perkins born abt 1871, Mo. Elizabeth Perkins born abt 1873 Mo. William Perkins born October 04, 1876,Farmington, St. Francois, Mo. He married Helena Motsch on April 25, 1906 in Potost, Washington co. Mo. Charles Perkins born January 08, 1878 in St Francois Co., Mo. Died February 11, 1910, St Farancois Co., Mo. He was married at the time of his death. Brothers and sisters of Charles W Perkins were, Margarett J. Perkins born November 01, 1838 Mo.,died August 15, 1910 Jasper Co. Mo. Married John F. Pratte in St.Francois co. Mo.December 16, 1856 Martha C. Perkins born 1844, Valle Twp Jefferson Co. Mo. died December 1882 Marion, IL.., Married 1. Mr.Butt 2.Charles Cabaness in St. Francois Co., Mo ,23 November 1866. 3. John Marion Hargon in Marion, IL. February 1877. Pauline Perkins, born Abt. 1846 in Mo. died bef .1860 William P. Perkins, born abt 1849 in Iowa died bef 1860 John J. Perkins born 1853 Valle Twp Jefferson Co.Mo. He may have married Debby Ann Roberts, June 21, 1871 Jefferson Co. Mo. They were the children of John F. Perkins and Sarah R. Tarpley, married July 16, 1837, St.Francois co. Mo. Thanks, Mark Perkins of Pa.