In a message dated 09 22 2004 12:01:30 PM, PENNSYLVANIA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Could someone please lookup the 1880 Philadelphia Census for a Frederick Helder and family? >> 00000000 The 1880 census is free on line at the LDS site. http://www.familysearch.org/ Milton E. Botwinick [professional genealogist] botwinick@aol.com botwinick@alumni.rowan.edu MEBotwinick@alumni.temple.edu http://hometown.aol.com/botwinick/myhomepage/index.html