Debra, Thank you so much, It has been a big help. May I ask a question. My gggrandmother died in 1884, no marking, no records, nothing. Where would a person search to find records before that, Id like to know her family, I dont know the Doyle side eather, he died in the poorhouse, they must have been very very poor, isent some record of that, was there any aid at that time? Thanks linda