In a message dated 7/3/2004 5:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dkohlerx2@adelphia.net writes: Do you have the names of the siblings of Thomas and Rebecca Ramsbottom? If Marie is their niece, she would be the child of one of their siblings...you could possibly find her maiden name by pulling 1900 census info on all of their siblings to see who has a 12 yo(ish) Marie. If you can provide names, birth years, locations...I'll be happy to try to help you. Debra Good thinking! do you have the family in 1880? if you do it should be fairly easy to find the siblings and then find the family with the Marie in 1900 Eliz