Hi, Catherine, You're right, the state office doesn't keep anything prior to 1906, and then you must go to the county. And you say the Web site indicates they don't keep any birth records? That is the case often, unfortunately, and even if they did it would be rare to see they have birth records for the 1870s. I would suggest getting a phone number from the Web site and speaking to an person at the courthouse, just to make sure they don't carry any old births. After that I'm not sure where you'd go to get a birth; a family Bible may be the only luck you'd have, and finding that, well, I don't have to tell you how difficult that would be. You may have to settle for getting the information you seek through other means. For example, if you are seeking parents' names you could get death certificates instead, etc. You could also check to find them in the Census records for parents' names. Knowing which pieces of information you are looking for will help narrow the field. I hope this helps, even if it's just a little. All the best, Elysia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Musgrave" <musgrave@value.net.nz> To: <PENNSYLVANIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:47 PM Subject: [PA] Vital records in Lehigh County - 1870 > Hallo again from New Zealand. > > I am still trying to find the birth records of my Great great Aunts born > 1871 and 1873 in Pennsylvania. I now think their parents were living in > Whitehall, Lehigh County in 1870. But I am a bit confused as to where > to write. On the internet I looked up Lehigh County Courthouse which > says if does not have copies of Births etc and these must be ordered > through State Office. However the State Office says that for births > prior to 1906 you must contact the Registrar of Wills, Orphans Court in > the county in which the event occurred. I feel like I'm going round in > circles. > > Hopefully someone will be able to point me in the right direction > > Many thanks > Catherine > Auckland, New Zealand > > > > ==== PENNSYLVANIA Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/pa/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Bonnie, I'm not sure of a state one that was sent, but here are some to look at: Pennsylvania Obituaries http://www.obitcentral.com/obitsearch/counties/pa-statewide.htm GenealogyBuff.com http://www.genealogybuff.com (type in a surname, hit submit, then go to "Miscellaneous Newspaper Obituaries", you will find several large Pennsylvania obituary archives. Hope this helps. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Sizzling866@aol.com [mailto:Sizzling866@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 12:50 AM To: PENNSYLVANIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PA] Obituary Archive -The Sentinel, Lewistown, Mifflin Co, PA my computer lost the e-mail from someone giving a link or address to get Pa state archives of obituaries can you send it to me thanks Bonnie ==== PENNSYLVANIA Mailing List ==== Help your fellow researcher out when you can... You may be surprised by how they may help you. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

my computer lost the e-mail from someone giving a link or address to get Pa state archives of obituaries can you send it to me thanks Bonnie

Dear Listers, In 1876, Samuel W. Pennypacker located a genealogy in Dutch and had it translated into english.This genealogy was prepared over 200 years ago and it linked many Dutch families with their relatives who had settled in the area of Skippack, Montgomery Co., Pennsylvania. My 6th great grandmother, Magdalena van Sintern, had a major role in compiling this document. . The original of his work is now in the library of the Pennypacker Mills museum in Schwenksville, PA, with copies in The Meeting House, Mennonite Historians of Eastern PA, 565 Yoder Road, Box 82, Harleysville, PA 19438, (215) 256-3020.and the LDS library, in Salt Lake City, under the title of "A Genealogy of the Family of De Voss". These copies each have a companion index which I provided after I entered all of Sam's information into Personal Ancestral File (LDS genealogy program). There were 1016 numbered individuals, and another 422 in-laws, etc. that were not numbered, but now are. From the PAF program, I was able to create a Gedcom file which I then transferred to the GedHTree program which automatically translated the entire genealogy into HTML for uploading to the web. Fom the Pennypacker Mills Museum, I obtained permission to post the genealogy with the following notice: "Courtesy of Pennypacker Mills, County of Montgomery, Schwenksville, PA". See it here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~scrapbook/pennypacker/intro.html Lane Maxwell

<A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=MT+Olivet+PA++&btnG=Google+Search">Google Search: MT Olivet PA</A> SusiCP Family Historian It's the Indian in me.....:>)

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Could "Mt Olivet" possibly have been a typo in the newspaper, and really should have been "Mt. Oliver"? Mount Oliver is a suburb of Pittsburgh, as is McKees Rocks. So, "Mt Oliver" may make more sense. Hope that helps a little. Gary Costel Pittsburgh, Pa Researching the following (Slovakia) surnames: Bakajsa, Bereczky, Bockaj, Chwerchak, Cossel, Costel, Hacala, Hanchak, Jurkiv, Kalman, Kascsak, Katrinak, Lahvardi, Murajda, Ondik, Ondike, Petrik, Ribar, Stefancin -----Original Message----- From: George Allison [mailto:gaalli@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:17 PM To: PENNSYLVANIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: where is Mount Olivet, PA? From a June 1948, Denver, Colorado, obituary of my grandfather Carl Joseph Hug. Mr. Hug was born in Mount Olivet, Pa., Jan. 6, 1883, but moved to McKees Rocks, Pa., when a child and was educated there. Can anyone tell me where Mount Olivet, Pa., is... or perhaps was? Lurley Winton

Hi SusiCP; That is about what I found... thousands of references to Mt. Olivet cemeteries, churches, lodges, etc. in PA,but very little as to an actual village or town. I have had a couple of folks from Pittsburgh area suggest that the Mt. Olivet in my obit is a typo and should be Mt. Oliver. That seems to make sense being as my Carl ended up not too far from there in Mckees Rock. Thank you for the input, every little bit helps Lurley ----- Original Message ----- From: SusiCP@aol.com To: PENNSYLVANIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [PA] RE: where is Mount Olivet, PA? <A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=MT+Olivet+PA++&btnG=Google+Search">Google Search: MT Olivet PA</A> SusiCP Family Historian It's the Indian in me.....:>) ==== PENNSYLVANIA Mailing List ==== The OFFICIAL website for this list is: http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/pa/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 10/23/2004 12:46:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Spunkygen@aol.com writes: Please change my address to spunkygen@msn.com I get the Digest for all lists thanks, crystal tobias ritter - Crystal- Here is how you can change your address for all of your digests. Send a new email from your old AOL address (since you can still send mail from that address) to: LISTNAME-D-request@rootsweb.com --changing the word LISTNAME to the actual list name--such as-- PENNSYLVANIA-D-request@rootsweb.com etc. You can put all of the different digest request addresses in the SEND TO box of one email--they don't have to be separate emails. Put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject and message body. Then send a NEW email from the new msn account to the same digest request addresses above for all or your lists with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject and message body to subscribe your new address. Joan

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Hi Teresa, You can do keyword searches through all of these pages at http://www.obitcentral.com/obitsearch/counties/pa-juniata.htm Hope this helps. Bill GenealogyBuff.com http://www.genealogybuff.com -----Original Message----- From: Teresa Delikat [mailto:flott_genealogy@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 8:56 AM To: PENNSYLVANIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PA] Obituary Archive -The Sentinel, Lewistown, Mifflin Co, PA List, I've found that while obituaries are only shown on The Sentinel's site (Lewistown, Mifflin County, PA) for 31 days, it seems that The Sentinel holds obituaries on their server longer then the 31 days. You can manipulate the date using this url and find obituaries from almost a year ago. http://lewistownsentinel.com/obituary/obituaries.asp?postdate=10/7/2003 Just change the date in the url and it should work for you. (Doing this today, I was able to find obituaries posted from 10/7/2003 to current date.....) Teresa Delikat http://www.geocities.com/tjbd/Genealogy.html ===== "He alone deserves to be remembered by his children who treasures up and preserves the memory of his fathers." --Edmund Burke (1729-1797) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ==== PENNSYLVANIA Mailing List ==== Have you seen the new Mid-Atlantic Roots Network at: http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

From a June 1948, Denver, Colorado, obituary of my grandfather Carl Joseph Hug. Mr. Hug was born in Mount Olivet, Pa., Jan. 6, 1883, but moved to McKees Rocks, Pa., when a child and was educated there. Can anyone tell me where Mount Olivet, Pa., is... or perhaps was? Lurley Winton

List, I've found that while obituaries are only shown on The Sentinel's site (Lewistown, Mifflin County, PA) for 31 days, it seems that The Sentinel holds obituaries on their server longer then the 31 days. You can manipulate the date using this url and find obituaries from almost a year ago. http://lewistownsentinel.com/obituary/obituaries.asp?postdate=10/7/2003 Just change the date in the url and it should work for you. (Doing this today, I was able to find obituaries posted from 10/7/2003 to current date.....) Teresa Delikat http://www.geocities.com/tjbd/Genealogy.html ===== "He alone deserves to be remembered by his children who treasures up and preserves the memory of his fathers." --Edmund Burke (1729-1797) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

Hi Salli What size are your photos? if they are over 50K some free e-mail programs will not except them. Try to make them jpg files and compress them to under 50K a good size is 30K. Hope this helps. Jerry hetrick www.8leg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salli L Lutz" <cornmother@juno.com> To: <PENNSYLVANIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: [PA] Photo help > > > I have picture tray and can resize photos to be emailed in my juno > account, > but cant seem to figure out how to send them in my hotmail account. Tried > to > do it as an attchment but cant seem to get it. Any ideas? > HELP Please. > Thank you > > > ==== PENNSYLVANIA Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/pa/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi D. Thanks so much for the census reports. I'm guessing Aron Palmer might be who I'm looking for. Sarah and John named their first son Swithin, after her father and their second son Aaron (possibly after his father) I'll see if there is some way I can check that out. Thanks for answering. Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Kohler" <dkohlerx2@adelphia.net> To: <PENNSYLVANIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [PA] Palmer Genealogy > Hi, Louise: > > I don't know if this is of any help, but here are the Palmer head of > household census listings for Chester, PA: > > In 1810: > > Surname Given Name State County Location Year > PALMER DANL PA CHESTER E CALN 1810 > PALMER GEORGE PA CHESTER E NOTTINGHAM 1810 > PALMER RICHD PA CHESTER W MARLBOROUGH TWP 1810 > PALMER WM PA CHESTER NEWLIN TWP 1810 > > In 1820: > > PALMER ARON PA CHESTER LONDON BRITAIN 1820 > PALMER JOHN PA CHESTER WEST BRADFORD 1820 > PALMER JOSEPH PA CHESTER EAST FALLOWFIELD 1820 > PALMER SAMUEL PA CHESTER WEST BRADFORD 1820 > > Heritage Quest did not have an Ephram or Elizabeth Palmer indexed as a > head of household in PA in 1810 or 1829. > > Good luck with your search! > > Debra > > On Thursday, Oct 21, 2004, at 21:54 US/Eastern, Louise Sigle wrote: > > > Hi > > > > My Gr Gr Grandfather was John Lewis Palmer,b.10 Oct 1815 in Chester, > > PA. He married Sarah Chandler,b.23 Aug 1815 in Fayette,PA. His > > parents may have been named Ephram and Elizabeth ,but that is not a > > documented fact at this time to my knowledge. I'd like to trace his > > lineage in PA but don't have a clue as to where to look. Since I'm > > relatively new to genealogy, can someone advise me on the best way to > > obtain this information? This couple homesteaded in Johnson co. Iowa > > in the 1850s and were known as some of the first Methodists in that > > area. > > > > Thank You Louise Sigle lsigle@cableone.net > > > > > > ==== PENNSYLVANIA Mailing List ==== > > Keep informed of the latest news and new databases, webpages and > > mailing lists at RootsWeb. Subscribe to the weekly RootsWeb Review. > > To subscribe, start here: http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PENNSYLVANIA Mailing List ==== > If your Pennsylvania ancestor was German or Swiss, check out the > Pennsylvania Dutch Family History website at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi, Louise: I don't know if this is of any help, but here are the Palmer head of household census listings for Chester, PA: In 1810: Surname Given Name State County Location Year PALMER  DANL     PA CHESTER E CALN 1810 PALMER  GEORGE   PA CHESTER E NOTTINGHAM 1810 PALMER  RICHD     PA CHESTER W MARLBOROUGH TWP 1810 PALMER  WM     PA CHESTER NEWLIN TWP 1810 In 1820: PALMER  ARON     PA CHESTER LONDON BRITAIN 1820 PALMER  JOHN     PA CHESTER WEST BRADFORD 1820 PALMER  JOSEPH   PA CHESTER EAST FALLOWFIELD 1820 PALMER  SAMUEL   PA CHESTER WEST BRADFORD 1820 Heritage Quest did not have an Ephram or Elizabeth Palmer indexed as a head of household in PA in 1810 or 1829. Good luck with your search! Debra On Thursday, Oct 21, 2004, at 21:54 US/Eastern, Louise Sigle wrote: > Hi > > My Gr Gr Grandfather was John Lewis Palmer,b.10 Oct 1815 in Chester, > PA. He married Sarah Chandler,b.23 Aug 1815 in Fayette,PA. His > parents may have been named Ephram and Elizabeth ,but that is not a > documented fact at this time to my knowledge. I'd like to trace his > lineage in PA but don't have a clue as to where to look. Since I'm > relatively new to genealogy, can someone advise me on the best way to > obtain this information? This couple homesteaded in Johnson co. Iowa > in the 1850s and were known as some of the first Methodists in that > area. > > Thank You Louise Sigle lsigle@cableone.net > > > ==== PENNSYLVANIA Mailing List ==== > Keep informed of the latest news and new databases, webpages and > mailing lists at RootsWeb. Subscribe to the weekly RootsWeb Review. > To subscribe, start here: http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi My Gr Gr Grandfather was John Lewis Palmer,b.10 Oct 1815 in Chester, PA. He married Sarah Chandler,b.23 Aug 1815 in Fayette,PA. His parents may have been named Ephram and Elizabeth ,but that is not a documented fact at this time to my knowledge. I'd like to trace his lineage in PA but don't have a clue as to where to look. Since I'm relatively new to genealogy, can someone advise me on the best way to obtain this information? This couple homesteaded in Johnson co. Iowa in the 1850s and were known as some of the first Methodists in that area. Thank You Louise Sigle lsigle@cableone.net

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Hello; If there is anybody researching the STERANKA surname from Slovakia, please contact me privately. Gary Costel Researching the following (Slovakia) surnames: Bakajsa, Bereczky, Bockaj, Chwerchak, Cossel, Costel, Hacala, Hanchak, Jurkiv, Kalman, Kascsak, Katrinak, Lahvardi, Murajda, Ondik, Ondike, Petrik, Ribar, Stefancin

The Chariton Leader, Chariton, Iowa Thursday, August 15, 1907 The people of Chariton were shocked to hear of the tragedy in Ottumwa, where a former well known citizen of Chariton, shot and killed his aged father-in-law and then took his own life.  A report from Ottumwa says that GEORGE GODFREY, an aged resident of that place, was fatally shot by FRANK DUNGAN, who then turned the weapon on himself. He at one time was very wealthy but it is said recent business failures had reduced his holdings until they were but mere fractions of what they formerly were. For several years FRANK DUNGAN was a resident of Chariton and at one time was Mayor of Ottumwa.  His wife, MRS. NELLIE DUNGAN, says the rash act was the result of temporary insanity -- that when he was in the west, several years since, he sustained a sun stroke from which he never recovered.  It is known that he and GODFREY were on good terms. FRANK DUNGAN is a native of Pennsylvania, and was born in Beaver County, July 30, 1848.  He came to Iowa in 1856 and located in Knoxville, where his father was engaged in the milling business several years. His career was somewhat remarkable  At the age of fifteen years he entered a grocery store in Chariton under O.L. Palmer and applied himself strictly to the business until he was of age, at which time he was admitted into the firm. In 1872 he moved to Ottumwa and went from here to California with the intention of making his home there.  He was dissatisfied with the west, however, and returned to Ottumwa, accepting a position as traveling salesman for the old firm of Lawrence & Garner. He later purchased the interests of Mr. Garner and the firm continued in business for several years.  In 1883 he was connected with the Manning, Cushing Company, boot and shoe dealers, and two years later, he was elected Mayor of Ottumwa to serve the ensuing year.  It is said he filled the position with great discretion and ability. >From that time on MR. DUNGAN has been engaged in a number of enterprises, for the past several years dealing some in real estate. He was married to MISS NELLIE GODFREY in May, 1872.  To this union one child was born, MRS. GEORGE MACDONALD of this city, who, with the widow now are the only immediate members of his family. Three brothers and one sister are left to mourn his untimely end.  They are EDWIN of Ottumwa, WILLIAM of New York, HORACE of South Dakota, and MRS. CHANNING SMITH of Chariton. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Copied by Nancee(McMurtrey)Seifert October 18, 2004 iggy29@rnetinc.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialucas/Main.htm posted at this site with Nancee's permission.