My mother was born in May 1903 in Butler county. I had read that you should check the courthouse in the county of birth for that year since Pennsylvania didn't start officially recording births until later. I called up the courthouse and sure enough they had a record of her birth. They sent me a lovely certificate, different from the ones you get from the state office. It is worthy of framing. And guess what, she was born in May but the birth was not recorded until December. My conclusion: her father or parents went in to pay their taxes and said: "Oh BTW we had a daughter born in May" and gave the rest of the information. Depending on the county, you might want to check with the courthouse in the county of birth. Never know. Genie in Missouri In a message dated 11/19/2006 11:13:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: In a message dated 11/19/2006 8:58:59 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Has anyone sent for a copy of a birth certificate in Pennsylvania. I sent for a copy of my mother-in-laws Birth Certificate. She was born in 1909 and . . . Official birth certificates were rather iffy back then, despite the law. Births were required to be registered with the county, but certificates were rarely needed during the course of a lifetime. Home births were the norm, and busy doctors might forget to register the birth, or forget the name if he even knew it, or lose the forms. For their part, most parents followed the custom of their ancestors and entered the child's name in the family Bible and/or in the church records. If proof of birth was ever needed, that was where it would be found. My late mother was born in PA in 1910. She graduated from high school and college, including graduate school, and began teaching, all without ever needing or seeing her birth certificate. Only after she married my father, who became career military after WW II, did she have need for her birth certificate, in order to get a passport. She requested a copy of the certificate from Greene County in 1946. Imagine her surprise when she discovered that her legal name was "Infant Boggess." She had to go through the Orphan's Court to have the certificate changed to the name she had used all her life. (She told me this, and had all the paperwork to prove it.) If your MIL never needed her birth certificate, she might never have known that she was named "Baby Girl." Even if she did know, she may have had no real need to change it and simply didn't bother. It just wasn't that important. How times have changed! BTW, many states use their current birth certificate format when they issue an historical one, but the information on it is correct. The bad guys likely won't be needing a birth certificate for a 90+ year old person. Susan in Louisiana ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wish to thank everyone who sent their thoughts on this subject. I learned alot and I will just go with the name everyone knew her by. Which was Viola Mable, Mable Viola, or Peg or Violet (which was on her Marriage certificate) But I know Heavenly Father will know her no matter which name she goes by. Again thank you all for your help. Carol.

Thank you very much! :) On 11/19/06, Regina Nau <[email protected]> wrote: > > It should be where she died. > > > >From: Kristine <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [PA] Question about Death Certificates > >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 05:08:02 -0500 > > > >In 1894 I had a great great grandmother who died in a Dauphin County > >hospital but she was from Bedford County and lived in Fulton County at > the > >time she entered into the hospital and was (supposedly) buried in Fulton > >County....my question is this: I want to send for her Death Certificate > >and > >I have to do so at the county courthouse because it was BEFORE 1906 that > >she > >died....so would the death certificate be recorded at the courthouse in > the > >county that she died or where she lived? > > > >Thank you. > > > > > >********* > >Visit the threaded archives of this list: > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA > >********* > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > View Athlete's Collections with Live Search > > http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My troublesome ancestor, Joseph Henry BUTLER, died in Pennsylvania in 1883. According to the Vital Records website death records weren't required until 1893. Is there a possibility that I could purchase a copy of a Potter county death ceretificate? My primary goal it to learn who his parents were, he was born in New York in 1806. Mark

In a message dated 11/19/2006 8:58:59 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Has anyone sent for a copy of a birth certificate in Pennsylvania. I sent for a copy of my mother-in-laws Birth Certificate. She was born in 1909 and . . . Official birth certificates were rather iffy back then, despite the law. Births were required to be registered with the county, but certificates were rarely needed during the course of a lifetime. Home births were the norm, and busy doctors might forget to register the birth, or forget the name if he even knew it, or lose the forms. For their part, most parents followed the custom of their ancestors and entered the child's name in the family Bible and/or in the church records. If proof of birth was ever needed, that was where it would be found. My late mother was born in PA in 1910. She graduated from high school and college, including graduate school, and began teaching, all without ever needing or seeing her birth certificate. Only after she married my father, who became career military after WW II, did she have need for her birth certificate, in order to get a passport. She requested a copy of the certificate from Greene County in 1946. Imagine her surprise when she discovered that her legal name was "Infant Boggess." She had to go through the Orphan's Court to have the certificate changed to the name she had used all her life. (She told me this, and had all the paperwork to prove it.) If your MIL never needed her birth certificate, she might never have known that she was named "Baby Girl." Even if she did know, she may have had no real need to change it and simply didn't bother. It just wasn't that important. How times have changed! BTW, many states use their current birth certificate format when they issue an historical one, but the information on it is correct. The bad guys likely won't be needing a birth certificate for a 90+ year old person. Susan in Louisiana

i got a birth certificate from New Castle and it said "baby boy" about 5 years ago and was told it meant the child had not been named yet as it was not required that the baby be named before it went home from the hospital and a lot of births took place at home with a midwife. your next step would be a church for a baptismal/christening record. good luck Pat On 11/19/06, IRIS L M MILLER <[email protected]> wrote: > > Carol, > I don't know about Pennsylvania, > But my father born in Kansas, 1908 was listed as 2nd male child on his > birth > certificate. His parents and the township he was born in. (I saw the > original records, They change the format to fit on the certificate, but > the > information was the same.) > I used census, death records and obituary for documentation. > > Iris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Lahr" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:56 AM > Subject: [PA] Question about Birth Certificates > > > Also it stated her name as Baby Girl Harner. > What I would like to know is if this is standard practice in this day of > ID > theft or is this the way her certificate actually listed her name. > > Sincerely > Carol > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA > > ********* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I too was born in Pennsylvania, in 1939. I recently sent for my birth certificate. When it arrived all that was on it was the county, date and my name, no parents. It also has the raised seal. So guess they don't put much information on them. Charlyne ----- Original Message ----- From: "IRIS L M MILLER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [PA] Question about Birth Certificates > Carol, > I don't know about Pennsylvania, > But my father born in Kansas, 1908 was listed as 2nd male child on his > birth > certificate. His parents and the township he was born in. (I saw the > original records, They change the format to fit on the certificate, but > the > information was the same.) > I used census, death records and obituary for documentation. > > Iris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Lahr" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:56 AM > Subject: [PA] Question about Birth Certificates > > > Also it stated her name as Baby Girl Harner. > What I would like to know is if this is standard practice in this day of > ID > theft or is this the way her certificate actually listed her name. > > Sincerely > Carol > >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA >> ********* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm working my way through Scranton births using a film at the LDS Family History Center, and many of the children do not have names in the birth registers. These go up to 1905, so it's certainly possible that baby girl is exactly how she was listed, as gender and color was listed but not always a name. ----- Original Message ----- : Has anyone sent for a copy of a birth certificate in Pennsylvania. I sent : for a copy of my mother-in-laws Birth Certificate. She was born in 1909 and : there has been a question about how her name was listed on the certificate. : So I sent to the State of Pennsylvania for a copy of her certificate stating : that I wanted it for Genealogical research and gave them all the information : as I knew it. What I got back was a new Birth Certificate with a raised : seal which did not give me the information that would have been on the : original certificate. Also it stated her name as Baby Girl Harner. : : What I would like to know is if this is standard practice in this day of ID : theft or is this the way her certificate actually listed her name.

When my Dad was born at home in 1907 in Town of Barton, NY the doctor whodelivered him listed the birth as "son". According to Grandmother, she wentback 2 weeks later and his name was added to the birth record-once theydecided on the name. Incidentally, that practice still does exist for thoseparents who just can't seem to decide on the name-usually because thesonagram says it's a girl and it's a boy:<)) Have a couple of distantcousins who thought they were getting the jump on everything and had to takeback all of the cute things and buy for the other sex!!!Peggie in OR -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 11/17/20065:56 PM

Hi, People usually didn't name the baby until they were baptised... The other "reason" was that if the devil knew the babys' name he could take it... AND, I finally found out why boy babies were dressed in "girl clothes"... I asked my Granny, but, she didn't know... just said it was the style... In Ireland and Wales and Scotland, the belief was that Banshees would steal a baby boy, but, they didn't want "useless" girls... So, the Mothers dressed the boys in girl clothes until they were past a year old... Dixie Lea in K.C... Looking for Benjamine F. Evans in Penn... 1776... ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurie To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [PA] Question about Birth Certificates I'm working my way through Scranton births using a film at the LDS Family History Center, and many of the children do not have names in the birth registers. These go up to 1905, so it's certainly possible that baby girl is exactly how she was listed, as gender and color was listed but not always a name. ----- Original Message ----- : Has anyone sent for a copy of a birth certificate in Pennsylvania. I sent : for a copy of my mother-in-laws Birth Certificate. She was born in 1909 and : there has been a question about how her name was listed on the certificate. : So I sent to the State of Pennsylvania for a copy of her certificate stating : that I wanted it for Genealogical research and gave them all the information : as I knew it. What I got back was a new Birth Certificate with a raised : seal which did not give me the information that would have been on the : original certificate. Also it stated her name as Baby Girl Harner. : : What I would like to know is if this is standard practice in this day of ID : theft or is this the way her certificate actually listed her name. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone sent for a copy of a birth certificate in Pennsylvania. I sent for a copy of my mother-in-laws Birth Certificate. She was born in 1909 and there has been a question about how her name was listed on the certificate. So I sent to the State of Pennsylvania for a copy of her certificate stating that I wanted it for Genealogical research and gave them all the information as I knew it. What I got back was a new Birth Certificate with a raised seal which did not give me the information that would have been on the original certificate. Also it stated her name as Baby Girl Harner. What I would like to know is if this is standard practice in this day of ID theft or is this the way her certificate actually listed her name. Sincerely Carol

Carol, I don't know about Pennsylvania, But my father born in Kansas, 1908 was listed as 2nd male child on his birth certificate. His parents and the township he was born in. (I saw the original records, They change the format to fit on the certificate, but the information was the same.) I used census, death records and obituary for documentation. Iris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lahr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: [PA] Question about Birth Certificates Also it stated her name as Baby Girl Harner. What I would like to know is if this is standard practice in this day of ID theft or is this the way her certificate actually listed her name. Sincerely Carol > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It should be where she died. >From: Kristine <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PA] Question about Death Certificates >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 05:08:02 -0500 > >In 1894 I had a great great grandmother who died in a Dauphin County >hospital but she was from Bedford County and lived in Fulton County at the >time she entered into the hospital and was (supposedly) buried in Fulton >County....my question is this: I want to send for her Death Certificate >and >I have to do so at the county courthouse because it was BEFORE 1906 that >she >died....so would the death certificate be recorded at the courthouse in the >county that she died or where she lived? > >Thank you. > > >********* >Visit the threaded archives of this list: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA >********* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ View Athlete’s Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01

In 1894 I had a great great grandmother who died in a Dauphin County hospital but she was from Bedford County and lived in Fulton County at the time she entered into the hospital and was (supposedly) buried in Fulton County....my question is this: I want to send for her Death Certificate and I have to do so at the county courthouse because it was BEFORE 1906 that she died....so would the death certificate be recorded at the courthouse in the county that she died or where she lived? Thank you.

Thanks for everyone's time & help in finding the Coraopolis library. I appreciate everyone's time. Susan

Carlette, My original ancestor was William Buckingham who arrived at Chester, PA in 1682. The surname was generally written as "Beckingham" as it was for his son, John. After John it always appeared as "Buckingham". The ship he arrived on did sail from London, but I have never been able to find any info on him in England. Perhaps this is my big break?! Can you let me know how to get in touch with Alex and/or the web site you referred to? Alan ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:48:19 -0600 From: "Carlette" <[email protected]> Subject: [PA] Buckingham surname? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Alan. Are you by any chance kin to the Buckingham/Beckinghams from Preshute London area? If so, are you in touch with Alex who runs a one name site on this surname? Carlette -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 11/17/2006 5:56 PM

Hello All, I scanned and uploaded another 20 pages of the book "Pennsylvania Colony and Commonwealth". For those interested in reading the book it's at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Vansant and related families -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 3:51 PM

Hi Alan. Are you by any chance kin to the Buckingham/Beckinghams from Preshute London area? If so, are you in touch with Alex who runs a one name site on this surname? Carlette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Buckingham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [PA] PA Book Continued > Hello All, > > I scanned and uploaded another 20 pages of the book "Pennsylvania Colony > and > Commonwealth". For those interested in reading the book it's at > http://www.midatlanticarchives.com > > > Alan > RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, > Creswell, > Vansant and related families > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 > 3:51 PM

> BMD'S FROM WFP 10TH FEBRUARY, 1853 > > >> BIRTHS >> >> GIBSON, Female - B6/2/1853 - At Beoch, parish of Inch, on the 6th >> instant, the wife of William Gibson, Esq., of a daughter. >> LAMB, Male - B5/2/1853 - At Kilhilt, parish of Portpatrick, on the 5th >> inst., Mrs Lamb, of a son. >> WRIGHT, Male - B9/2/1853 - At Garleyhawes, parish of Kirkcolm on the 9th >> inst,. the wife of Mr Samuel Wright, joiner, of a son. >> DOUGLAS, Female - B2/2/1853 - At High Drumore, Kirkmaiden, on the 2d >> instant, Mrs Wm. Douglas, of a daughter. >> COCHRANE, Female - B2/2/1853 - At Glenlee, Kirkmaiden, on the 2d instant, >> Mrs Anthony Cochrane, of a daughter. >> MYBERRY, Female - B20/1/1853 - At Drumore, Kirkmaiden, on the 20th >> ultimo, Mrs Hugh Myberry, of a daughter. >> EWART, Male - B3/2/1853 - At Borgue House, on the 3d instant, Mrs Ewart, >> of a son. >> M'KIE, Female - B4/2/1853 - At Wigtown, on the 4th instant, Mrs John >> M'Kie, Kilworn Cottage, of a daughter. >> >> MARRIAGES >> >> SMEATON, John - M4/2/1853 - At Wigtown, on the 4th instant, by the Rev. >> P. Young, Mr John Smeaton, boatman, to Miss Elizabeth Dawson, of Dundee. >> >> DEATHS >> >> KIRKLAND, Mr - D30/1/1853 - At Kirkmiden, on the 30th ultimo, Mr >> Kirkland, parochial teacher there. >> KERR, Marion Lamb - D2/2/1853 - At Drumore, Kirkmaiden, on the 2d >> instant, Marion Lamb, aged 16 months, only child of Captain Robert Kerr, >> of the ship Duncan of Liverpool. >> WRIGHT, Mrs - D21/1/1853 - At Cairnbrock, parish of Kirkcolm, on the 21st >> ultimo, Mrs Wright, relict of the late Mr Samuel Wright, advanced in >> years. >> COUPLAND, Robert - D6/2/1853 - At Orchard, Old Luce, on the 6th inst., Mr >> Robert Coupland, farmer, aged 56 years. He was a loving father, an >> affectionate husband and obliging neighbour. His death will be deeply >> regretted by a large circle of friends. >> PIRIE, William - D5/2/1853 - At Sorbie, on the 5th instant, very >> suddenly, William Pirie, labourer aged 99 years. >> KELLY, Alexander - D7/2/1853 - At Newton-Stewart, on the 7th instant, Mr >> Alexander Kelly, baker, aged 80 years. >> M'MORRAN, Alexander - D6/2/1853 - At Kiroughtree, Minnigaff, on the 6th >> instant, Mr Alexander M'Morran, gardener, aged 71 years. >> BURNS, David - D3/2/1853 - At St. Austle, Cornwall, on the 3d instant, Mr >> David Burns, draper, aged 40 years. Deceased was a native of >> Portpatrick. >> M'DOWALL, John - D5/1/1853 - At Woodburne, near St. Andrews, New >> Brunswick, on the 5th January last, John M'Dowall, Esq., of Woodburne. >> BLACK, John R.C. - D9/12/1852 - At Berhampore, India, on the 9th December >> last, Ensign John R. C. Black, of the 57th Regiment Royal N.I., aged 21, >> sixth son of John Black, Esq., Wigtown. >> INGLIS, Rev. David - D4/2/1853 - At Port-Glasgow, on the 4th instant, the >> Rev. David Inglis, senior minister of the United Presbyterian Church >> there, in the eighty-seventh year of his age, and fifty-third of his >> ministry. >> WATT, Rev. Robert - D29/1/1853 - At Scotland Street, Edinburgh, on the >> 29th ult., the Rev. Robert Watt. >> WAUGH, Miss - D26/1/1853 - At Lanark, on the 26th ult., Miss Waugh, >> daughter of Mr Waugh, formerly Rector of the Grammar School of St. >> Andrews. >> BOYLE, David - D4/2/1853 - At Shewalton, on the 4th instant, the Right >> Hon. David Boyle of Shewalton, in the 81st year of his age. >> KERR, John - D18/1/1853 - At Glenside, in Armstrong County, State of >> Pensylvania, U.S., on the 18th ultimo, in the 33d year of his age, after >> a long and painful illness, borne with truly Christian resignation, John, >> tenth son of Mr Stair Kerr, formerly farmer and cattle dealer in >> Kirkminnoch, parish of Kirkcolm, Wigtownshire, N.B. Wigtownshire >> relatives will please accept of this intimation. >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > [WFP: Wigtownshire Free Press Newspaper published since 1843] > > "WIGTOWNSHIRE, a maritime County of S/W Scotland: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/WIG/ > > Previously posted WFP Announcements can be found on > THE WIGTOWNSHIRE PAGES at: > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~leighann/wfp/intro.html > > The Wigtownshire Pages gladly hosts the transcriptions of the Wigtownshire > Free Press notices; the results of the tireless efforts of Diana Henry and > Randy Chapple. > > [Hopefully these transcribed records may help some early family > researchers however I personally can offer no further information] > [Permission to forward without notice is granted] > > b = born > m = married > d = died > > inst = instant - this month > ult (ulto) = ultimo - last month > prox = proximo - next month > penult = penultima - 2nd last month > otp = of this parish > here = in the WFP it means Stranraer > c/chr/chris. = christened > curt = current (this month) >

Check here on line----- http://www.wpgs.org/ -------------- Original message -------------- From: "slbearer" <[email protected]> > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to purchase the obituary of George Ebbs > who died on Aug. 29, 1980 in Coraopolis, PA? > > Thanks > Susan > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PENNSYLVANIA > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message