Hi, all, I just realized I made a statement in my last message that should have been prefaced by "probably" instead of presented as fact. IN THEORY, Ephraim of NC, progenitor of Group IV, is PROBABLY or MAY BE the 5th generation descendant of Ephraim of CT, but it hasn't been accepted by PRA, and is not documented, and very well may not be the case at all. Sorry! Cheers, Katherine