Well I think the direction of John George is definitely a good one. There seems to be a couple of conflicts there from what I have.... With regards to the summary or what we've just gone through, if you wish to tackle it feel free. Otherwise I will probably attack it over the weekend sometime. (no soccer for the first weekend in several months). My intent is that it becomes the first paragraph or so of the new group 10 description. So if I get to it before you, I'll pass a draft by everyone for input to make sure nothing is missed. Steve P