I am in hopes this reaches all researches. I have written and published one book of genealogy. I take copies of my book to each and every library in the counties, and have sent some out to others, from which I received any genealogical information. Thus my book is available to copy from in the library. I owe this much to the people who, before me, have made contributions. I am thankful to them. We should always feel this way. My grandmother always said anything shared is as good as Love. We need to share , not invade , mind you, but share with each other. Happy Holidays to all my friends out there. May you always stay in God's shadow. Sadie Stamper Greer -----Original Message----- From: William Penington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, December 24, 1999 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [PENNINGTON-L] Re: [PRA]: Group 10 Information >I suppose the libraries are breaking the law by having the copy >machines there. Why, because what is there to copy in libraries but >copyrighted works Sue already stated that she did not intend to >distribute the material. Your splitting hairs here. >-----Original Message----- >From: Katherine Cochrane <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Friday, December 24, 1999 1:52 AM >Subject: Re: [PENNINGTON-L] Re: [PRA]: Group 10 Information > > >>Ask your friend's husband if he's willing to defend someone in court >>on that basis. Yes, many people break the law and get away with it, >>mainly because it's generally more expensive to pursue violators than >>to ignore them, but it is still illegal and unethical to copy and >>distribute without permission work that you didn't create or hold >>copyrights to. Just because you can get away with something doesn't >>mean it's the right thing to do. Making a copy for personal research >>is allowed under the law (in the "Fair Use" clause) but taking that >>copy and giving it to someone else ("publishing" or "distributing") >>is not allowed, whether one tries to make a profit from it or not. >>The sense of the law is that whether you make a profit or not, you >>could be denying the author or publisher their rightful profit by >>making it unnecessary for another reader to buy the work. >> >>Now, in the case of the PRA publications, there are not profits >>involved, but there are costs. The back issues of Pennington >>Pedigrees are expensive to print and distribute. There IS discussion >>ongoing about how to make information from back issues available at >>little or no cost to those interested, but it will take some time to >>work out the details. One complication is that to observe the law, >>permission should be obtained from all the authors (or the authors' >>heirs) to republish their work under the new plan. That's quite a >>task, as you might imagine. But publishing is not a trivial >>undertaking if it's done right. Another complication is that even >>using electronic publishing and volunteer labor, there are some costs >>involved in producing PRA literature, and membership dues alone do >>not cover them. Maybe you can make some suggestions about how PP >>articles could be distributed in a way that (1) doesn't violate the >>authors' rights and (2) doesn't cost more than is feasible. Other >>people in the PRA are working to make this happen, and I'm sure your >>help would be welcome, too. >> >>Katherine >> >> >>>Katherine Cochrane wrote: >>> > >>> > Sue, >>> > >>> > So, because it is inconvenient for you, you advocate breaking >the law? >>> > >>> > Katherine >>> > >>> > >Hello, >>> > >I would like to thank all of the wonderful people that offered >their >>> > >help when I recently emailed a plea for some of the information >in the >>> > >older issues of Pennington Pedigrees. Today I got that >material from >>> > >one of the Pennington angels, and it was so exciting to read >through >>> > >what some of the previous researchers had to say about the >family. An >>> > >unexpected surprise was some information on another of my >husband's >>> > >lines. You just never know what you may find! >>> > > >>> > >I did receive one email telling me that the information could >not be >>> > >sent due to copyright laws. I think that the Pennington >officers, or >>> > >the membership as a whole, needs to re-think their policy here. >Most >>> > >researchers "share" their information. I've run across very >few that >>> > >are only "takers." >>> > >That information in the older issues, for the most part, is >completely >>> > >lost to new members. Of course, they can purchase all issues >that might >>> > >contain a few pages, but at what cost? >>> > > >>> > >Here's what the problems boils down to: As a member, who paid >money to >>> > >join, I was unable to obtain the information about my group >because of >>> > >copyright laws. But any non-member can walk into any library >where >>> > >issues might be located, and can Xerox just as many pages as >they wish. >>> > >No problem. I often go to the State Archives here in GA., and >there is >>> > >usually a line at the Xerox machine. People Xerox from books >and >>> > >periodicals all the day long. So, isn't there a problem with >how this >>> > >is being handled? Is this fair to people who pays dues to join >your >>> > >organization? >>> > > >>> > >Just a little something you might want to think about, and come >up with >>> > >a plan for the benefit of your members. Again, thanks for all >of the >>> > >help, and have a Merry Christmas! >>> > >Sue >>> > >==== PRA Mail List -- Visit our Web Site at >>> > > http://www.penningtonresearch.org >>> > >NOTE: All material submitted to this list may be used on the >PRA web site >>> > >or in other PRA publications, with proper credit to the author. >>> > >__________________________________________________________ >>> > > List hosted by SOHOWeb.net -- The Small Business IPP. >>> > >Our goal: your success. Find out more at http://sohoweb.net >>> > > or via e-mail at [email protected] >>> > >>> > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== >>> > Do not post virus warnings on this list. >>> > Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you are >expecting >>> > For addition virus info see >http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or >>> > http://www.mcafee.com/ >>> >>>I have a good friend who is married to a lawyer. What he said was >that >>>if you are not copying it to claim as your own, and you don't intend >to >>>turn around and make a profit from it, you're fine. I am not >writing a >>>book. I do not intend to sell the information. And when I see >people >>>lined up at Xerox machines, do you advocate eliminating that? I >like to >>>have material at home in front of me when I'm working, to compare >it, >>>etc. Sometimes, if you have a lot of information spread out in >front of >>>you, you sometimes see something that you had missed previously. >It's >>>great when that light bulb comes on. So, no, I am not telling >anyone to >>>make copies and sell them, or claim them as their own. >>>Sue >>> >>> >>>==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== >>>To search the archives of this mail list see >>>http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>>The NEW Pennington Research Association Web Site >>>http://penningtonresearch.org Update your bookmark! >> >> >>==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== >>The Pennington Research Association Web Site >>http://penningtonresearch.org >>for subscribe and unsub instructions, >>follow the links to e-mail group. >> > > >==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== >Happy Holidays >