gee,a lawyer that makes sense,hes right on tho,When you do a term paper you add your credits,you use many sources, you don`t pay any of them,as long as you don`t claim it to be yours totally you are ok.people who raise these issues are usually some wanna be author,do your research,give credit where due,& tell me when the first amateur geneologist you know gets sued.merry christmas. People who try to keep other people from sharing,should not be left on the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJMRAZIK" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [PENNINGTON-L] Re: [PRA]: Group 10 Information > I have watched this exchange with interest and now will add my "two cents > worth", for whatever it's worth! :-) > It should be noted that I always do my very best to live within the laws of > our society. > First of all I have no intention of having the information, I am collecting > by various means, on my family history published. However, I do most > certainly plan to share any information with any interested family member! > I feel it is OUR Family History and we should ALL be entitled to it > regardless of our station in life! > I can not even begin to tell you how disgusting I find the division in our > society between "the haves and the have nots!" > At the same time I feel any source I use should absolutely be given credit > for the information they have collected, as they have assisted my research! > So now, I've shared my views on the subject.... For whatever it's worth.... > I hope everyone on the list has a wonderful Christmas and New Year filled > with all those things they hold dearest in their hearts! > Peggy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katherine Cochrane <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 6:50 AM > Subject: Re: [PENNINGTON-L] Re: [PRA]: Group 10 Information > > > > Ask your friend's husband if he's willing to defend someone in court > > on that basis. Yes, many people break the law and get away with it, > > mainly because it's generally more expensive to pursue violators than > > to ignore them, but it is still illegal and unethical to copy and > > distribute without permission work that you didn't create or hold > > copyrights to. Just because you can get away with something doesn't > > mean it's the right thing to do. Making a copy for personal research > > is allowed under the law (in the "Fair Use" clause) but taking that > > copy and giving it to someone else ("publishing" or "distributing") > > is not allowed, whether one tries to make a profit from it or not. > > The sense of the law is that whether you make a profit or not, you > > could be denying the author or publisher their rightful profit by > > making it unnecessary for another reader to buy the work. > > > > Now, in the case of the PRA publications, there are not profits > > involved, but there are costs. The back issues of Pennington > > Pedigrees are expensive to print and distribute. There IS discussion > > ongoing about how to make information from back issues available at > > little or no cost to those interested, but it will take some time to > > work out the details. One complication is that to observe the law, > > permission should be obtained from all the authors (or the authors' > > heirs) to republish their work under the new plan. That's quite a > > task, as you might imagine. But publishing is not a trivial > > undertaking if it's done right. Another complication is that even > > using electronic publishing and volunteer labor, there are some costs > > involved in producing PRA literature, and membership dues alone do > > not cover them. Maybe you can make some suggestions about how PP > > articles could be distributed in a way that (1) doesn't violate the > > authors' rights and (2) doesn't cost more than is feasible. Other > > people in the PRA are working to make this happen, and I'm sure your > > help would be welcome, too. > > > > Katherine > > > > > > >Katherine Cochrane wrote: > > > > > > > > Sue, > > > > > > > > So, because it is inconvenient for you, you advocate breaking the > law? > > > > > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > >Hello, > > > > >I would like to thank all of the wonderful people that offered their > > > > >help when I recently emailed a plea for some of the information in > the > > > > >older issues of Pennington Pedigrees. Today I got that material > from > > > > >one of the Pennington angels, and it was so exciting to read through > > > > >what some of the previous researchers had to say about the family. > An > > > > >unexpected surprise was some information on another of my husband's > > > > >lines. You just never know what you may find! > > > > > > > > > >I did receive one email telling me that the information could not be > > > > >sent due to copyright laws. I think that the Pennington officers, > or > > > > >the membership as a whole, needs to re-think their policy here. > Most > > > > >researchers "share" their information. I've run across very few > that > > > > >are only "takers." > > > > >That information in the older issues, for the most part, is > completely > > > > >lost to new members. Of course, they can purchase all issues that > might > > > > >contain a few pages, but at what cost? > > > > > > > > > >Here's what the problems boils down to: As a member, who paid money > to > > > > >join, I was unable to obtain the information about my group because > of > > > > >copyright laws. But any non-member can walk into any library where > > > > >issues might be located, and can Xerox just as many pages as they > wish. > > > > >No problem. I often go to the State Archives here in GA., and there > is > > > > >usually a line at the Xerox machine. People Xerox from books and > > > > >periodicals all the day long. So, isn't there a problem with how > this > > > > >is being handled? Is this fair to people who pays dues to join your > > > > >organization? > > > > > > > > > >Just a little something you might want to think about, and come up > with > > > > >a plan for the benefit of your members. Again, thanks for all of > the > > > > >help, and have a Merry Christmas! > > > > >Sue > > > > >==== PRA Mail List -- Visit our Web Site at > > > > > http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > > > >NOTE: All material submitted to this list may be used on the PRA > web site > > > > >or in other PRA publications, with proper credit to the author. > > > > >__________________________________________________________ > > > > > List hosted by SOHOWeb.net -- The Small Business IPP. > > > > >Our goal: your success. Find out more at http://sohoweb.net > > > > > or via e-mail at [email protected] > > > > > > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > > > > Do not post virus warnings on this list. > > > > Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you are > expecting > > > > For addition virus info see http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or > > > > http://www.mcafee.com/ > > > > > >I have a good friend who is married to a lawyer. What he said was that > > >if you are not copying it to claim as your own, and you don't intend to > > >turn around and make a profit from it, you're fine. I am not writing a > > >book. I do not intend to sell the information. And when I see people > > >lined up at Xerox machines, do you advocate eliminating that? I like to > > >have material at home in front of me when I'm working, to compare it, > > >etc. Sometimes, if you have a lot of information spread out in front of > > >you, you sometimes see something that you had missed previously. It's > > >great when that light bulb comes on. So, no, I am not telling anyone to > > >make copies and sell them, or claim them as their own. > > >Sue > > > > > > > > >==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > > >To search the archives of this mail list see > > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >The NEW Pennington Research Association Web Site > > >http://penningtonresearch.org Update your bookmark! > > > > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > > The Pennington Research Association Web Site > > http://penningtonresearch.org > > for subscribe and unsub instructions, > > follow the links to e-mail group. > > > > ______________________________