My thanks to Steve for posting the URL for the photographer of the Muncaster pictures. I had lost it for several months. Since this URL is now available, anyone who wants can check out the pictures and save the ones they want without any sending or receiving of files. The site is excellent with not only beautiful pictures but wonderful descriptions as well. This should be easier for everyone. Enjoy. Here is the URL again for those that missed it when Steve posted it: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/1854/castle/muncaster.html William Pennington Group 3