To Katherine Cochrane Thank you for your 11/6/99 response, queries and thoughtful discussion brought up by my posting of my non-group Ephraims and Timothys as opposed to your Ephraims and Timothys of Group IV. Of course, you were correct about some of my dates being unlikely. Mea culpa! Carelessly, I had pulled the erroneous data from my too-tall stack of loose papers about Penningtons (yours, mine and everyone else's). Since your post, I have been getting organized to the point of binders, dividers and a sorting of FULLEN papers, taking an indirect approach to my Penningtons. I have not found anyone other than my daughter researching our line. I had no great revelation for my efforts, but I am straightened out somewhat. Non-Group Ephraims and Timothys of VA and Lincoln Co., KY 1. Ephraim PENNINGTON, no birth, death, spouse or parent data. >2. Timothy PENNINGTON, b Nov 1759 PA/VA, d 1801 near Crab Orchard, Lincoln Co., KY, married 23 Feb 1785, Rockbridge Co., VA, Mary Trousdale FULLEN, b 1767, d 1852 MO. >>3. Ephraim PENNINGTON, b 10 Nov 1785, Rockbridge Co. VA, d 1861, Lincoln Co, KY, married 20 Sep 1812, Lincoln Co., KY Elizabeth VARDEMAN, b 10 Nov 1792, Lincoln Co., KY, d 17 Mar 1845, Lincoln Co., KY. >>>4. Timothy Morgan PENNINGTON, b 10 Aug 1824, Lincoln Co., KY, d 18 Sep 1908, Lincoln Co., KY, married 23 Dec 1857, Pulaski Co., KY Ann Sophia GOGGIN. >>>>5. Bourne PENNINGTON, b 23 May 1865, d 1944, married 1905 Alice Bently. >>>>>6. Timothy Morgan PENNINGTON >>>>5. Ephraim PENNINGTON, b 12 Mar 1867, d 1928, married 1902 Mae BUCKNER. >>>>>6. Timothy Morgan PENNINGTON, b 22 Jan 1903, d Sep 1985, m Unknown EWING. >>>>>>7. Timothy Morgan PENNINGTON (Living) >>>>5. Timothy William PENNINGTON, b 13 Jan 1882, d 1942, married 1911 Frances Adams. >>>4. Ephraim David PENNINGTON, b 26 Feb 1831, d 30 Sep 1872, married 9 Nov 1853 Mary Frances Welch. Comments/ Notes 1. Ephraim- Marvin T. Jones in Pennington Pedigrees, Vol. 21-2, p 15, "Penningtons of Old Lincoln County" wrote of the family tradition that Ephraim "was the son of a younger son of an English baron. This brother came over before the Revolutionary War and soon afterwards lost his young wife. He has an only child by this first marriage and he was raised by the mother's relatives, the McAlisters in the "wilds of Virginia.' The father went to Little York, PA. the accuracy of this story is open to question. However, it is intriguing to recall that an Ephraim Pennington lived in York, PA, during the Colonial Period." If that was a first marriage, when and where, etc., was the next? I have found the McAlisters and my Penningtons close in Rockbridge, VA and Lincoln Co., KY. I also found on TLC's Selected/US International Marriage Records, 1340-1980 (CD 403) a Timothy Pennington, b 1684 who married a Mary McCallister. Need to send for data sheets. Ephraim was described in PP Vol. 21-2, p 18, with his son as "farmers in neighboring Montgomery Co." We know that there was an Ephraim there who took the Oath of Allegiance as a member of the Montgomery Co., VA Militia 1777-1790. Mine? Yours? 2. Timothy- It seems strange to find an only child in an era of multiple marriages and large families in the pioneer settlements. Siblings? Timothy moved his family to KY 1786/87 to be near his wife's sister, Esther Gill FULLEN and her spouse Col. William Chapman WHITLEY, the Indian fighter.Timothy and Mary had seven children and lived near the Whitley Shrine near Crab Orchard in Lincoln Co. 3. Ephraim- In 1830, he purchased the Whitley Shrine, AKA "Sporting Hill" because of the racecourse built there by Col. Whitley. Ephraim and Elizabeth had five children. Shortly after his first wife's death, in 1845 he married her adopted sister, Jane Clemmons. A magistrate, Ephraim was known as Judge Pennington. Reportedly, he left a written family history. I have not seen this. This may have been sent to Marvin T. Jones with the material for the 1989 Pennington Pedigrees articles. 4. Timothy Morgan, DDS- Lived at the Whitley Shrine, now a state Historical Site.He continued recording the family history. 5. Timothy William, DDS- My great-uncle Tim (lovingly called "Monkey Tim) gave me an entry point for family history. I remember that he said one of my Penningtons had carried his KY long rifle to help liberate Detroit from the British and their Indian allies and died at the Battle of the River Raisin. Who was that? I know that Col. Whitley died at the Battle of the River Thames (Ont, CAN) just across the lake, fighting the famous chief Tecumseh, who also perished. Long-winded, but there are a lot of those Ephraims and Timothys. Katherine suggested that I get working and thinking. Anyone out there from my line? Any ideas about a link to one of the real groups? Susie B in MI