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    1. [Pennington-L] Thomas Pennington, d. 1727 VA; married to Mary (Allen?)
    2. Sue Gill
    3. Hi, I'm just now getting back to gathering proof for the maiden names. The above Mary is sometimes said to be Mary Allen, daughter of Arthur Allen and his wife, Katherine Baker. In other data, I simply see "Mary" or Mary ? I have an abstract of Arthur Allens' will, and he names children: James, Joseph, Arthur, John, Elizabeth Bridger (m. to Wm. Bridger), Katherine, Ann, MARY; also nephew Joseph Bridger; sisters: Jean Proctor and Elizabeth Jackman; grandchildren: Joseph, Martha, William, and Samuell Bridger. Written 1709; Probated 1710. In 1711, the above son, James Allen, died. He mentioned brothers Arthur, John, and Joseph; mother Katherine Allen; cousin: Arthur Bridger; sisters: Elizabeth Bridger, Ann Allen, and MARY Allen. Also Margaret Coker, wife of John Coker. No doubt that this James is the son of Arthur. In 1735, there is the will of Elizabeth Allen. Mentions friend, Thomas Alstin; Hannah Seward; Ann Collier; Mary Penington; Mary Knot; Thomas Hawkes; Goddaughter, Elizabeth Evans. Exec: Thos. Alstin. Mary Pennington appears. Is there other information that shows the link to Arthur Allen? The only thing I can see is that Arthur had daughters named Mary and Ann, and Elizabeth Allen did mention an Ann, and a Mary. In fact, she mentioned TWO Marys ( Pennington and Knot ). This Elizabeth Allen who died can not be the daughter of Arthur, since that Elizabeth was already married to a Bridger..... unless she was born an Allen, married a Bridger, and then married an Allen. Doesn't seem likely. When Thomas Pennington died (husband of Mary) one of the witnesses was a Thomas Allstin. This may be the same one in Elizabeth Allen's will. But does that prove that Mary was an Allen? Unfortunately, Elizabeth Allen did not mention relationships, except that Thomas Alstin was a friend. So, we don't know if Mary Pennington was related to her, or was a friend also, or a neighbor. Cousin? Evidently not a sister. Unless Mary and Elizabeth were daughters of a different set of parents? Is there some other missing piece of information? The only thing I have here are the abstracts of those few wills. I am also interested in the Tabitha Niblet who witnessed Elizabeth Allen's will. Does anyone know who she is? I would appreciate any help! Thanks. Sue

    09/20/2001 07:06:03
    1. [Pennington-L] Fw: A Genealgoist's Nightmare-Good Laugh
    2. Kristie Setser
    3. I received this from another list. Thought I would pass this one on. -------Original Message------- From: Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 08:14:28 AM To: Subject: [ILVERMIL] A Genealgoist's Nightmare-Good Laugh " A GENEALOGIST'S NIGHTMARE " Dear Cousin, In response to your letter, I am sorry to inform you that grandpa " Fred" died some time back and the stuff you asked about is not available. The personal property the family did not want was sold at an estate sale. All those boxes of junk did not interest a single buyer. We were able to salvage several binders for the kids homework after we sent all the paper to the incinerator. The kids really complained bout having to lug all that paper and pictures of those ugly old folks to the dumpster. An old family Bible from the 1840's did bring $5.00. The one from the1870's did not sell. There also was a bunch of floppy disks that we were able to reformat and download some games for the kids to play on their new playstation. At least SOMEBODY got some good from the three generations work. I saw the fellow at a flea market a couple of weeks ago and he said he threw the Bible in the trash after nobody was interested in it. He said he got an offer for fifty cents for it, but would rather burn it than give it away. He seemed to be having a lot of success with some very nice Elvis paintings at his booth. The two aunts you asked about are also dead. They were such a delight and could talk all day long about the things papa had written about. I remember them saying something about some records that were copied from two courthouses that later burned. Neither ever wrote down a single thing. The letter you referred to was one he typed up and sent to lots of folks who wrote him. He laughed about them never getting any of his hard work as well as his Fathers and Grandfather who was in the Civil War. He guarded all the information carefully to the bitter end. I wish I could remember some of the things to help you, but I was bored to tears listening to them talk about the family members who were in the civil war and those silly pieces of paper he showed so proudly. I vaguely remember they had some beeswax seals and something to do with the land grants that were destroyed in the courthouse fires. I wish I could remember the story about his grandfathers evening with Jefferson Davis when he was on the run. There are also some very juicy stories that were handed down, but I don't remember them very well. Another thing I remember after he got sick was some fellow calling him and he agreed to let him come down and copy all his material. He told him he would call him back when he felt better. Papa mentioned something about letting the society the man was from have all his work SINCE NOBODY IN THE FAMILY CARED anything about a bunch of people who had been dead for 200 years. -- Papa died the next week. I am so sorry papa and the two generations WASTED so much of their life on such WORTHLESS HOBBIES and hope your family will follow something more interesting. We enjoy Bingo and bowling very much here in Pleasantville. I really enjoyed hearing from a long lost cousin and would like to hear back if you find anything important. The kids need the computer for their games and I need to go watch the "Millionaire" show. Your Cousin, ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

    09/19/2001 09:48:36
    1. [Pennington-L] Charlie- Nelson-Elijah Pennington.
    2. Ramona Gayle Bayes Woods
    3. Good Morning, I am looking for info on Charlie Pennington s/o Nelson PENNINGTON and Myme Jane HOWARD Pennington b 1897 at Big Bushy, Rowan County, KY. Charlie died June 22, 1976 Big Bushy Rowan County, KY. Nelson Pennington b 1869 Elliott Co. KY s/o Elijah PENNINGTON and Eliza Louise MABRY. Elijah Pennington s/o Elijah PENNINGTON and Sarah Elizabeth CAUDILL, b Jan. 1, 1849 Lawrence Co. KY, d Sept 22, 1926 Elliott Co. KY; md Eliza MABRY Dec. 24, 1868 Lawrence Co. KY. I would appreciate help with these Pennington lines. Thank you, Ramona

    09/16/2001 11:41:54
    1. [Pennington-L] William Pennington and Sack Pennington, Brunswick Co., VA
    2. Sue Gill
    3. Is this William the brother of John George Pennington? WILLIAM PENNINGTON WILL SEPTEMBER 23, 1783 BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA Will Book 2 pp. 259-261 A son, Sack Pennington is mentioned in the will. Is this that Sack? Brunswick Co. SACK PENNINGTON, Will written 1788; recorded Brunswick County Court, December 22, 1795. Need information regarding the above William and Sack Pennington. Thanks. Sue

    09/15/2001 05:01:49
    1. [Pennington-L] Philip Pennington, d. 1803 Mecklenburg Co. VA
    2. Sue Gill
    3. Hi, Philip Pennington married Patty Floyd in 1787 in Mecklenburg Co., VA. Who were Patty's parents? There was a Charles Floyd of Brunswick Co., VA., whose 1795 will mentioned his daughter "Patsey Pennington." Is this the same person? Need parents of Patty Floyd, who m. Philip Pennington in 1787. If Patty is not Patsey, who was Patsey's husband? Thanks, Sue

    09/15/2001 04:45:15
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] Philip Pennington, d. 1803 Mecklenburg Co. VA
    2. Steve Privett
    3. Sue, Based on "Nottingham, Stratton. Marriage License Bonds of Mecklenburg County, Virginia from 1765 to 1810. Onancock, VA: Stratton Nottingham, 1928" and the will of Charles, I have assumed the Patsey was indeed Patty as you indicate. And when looking further, the only Penningtons I find in the area of the appropriate generation are Joel (1744-?) Robert (1748-1818), Sack (1749-?), Timothy (1753-?), John (1744-?) and a David (1760-?) who I don't have spouses for. While I can't say it's absolute, and there is room for evidence to the contrary, I do believe Patsey is the the same Patty that was the first wife of Phillip. Steve P Sue Gill wrote: >Hi, >Philip Pennington married Patty Floyd in 1787 in Mecklenburg Co., VA. > >Who were Patty's parents? There was a Charles Floyd of Brunswick Co., VA., >whose 1795 will mentioned his daughter "Patsey Pennington." Is this the >same person? > >Need parents of Patty Floyd, who m. Philip Pennington in 1787. >If Patty is not Patsey, who was Patsey's husband? >Thanks, >Sue > > > >==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== >Please respect people's copyright protection and only repost >or publish their info after getting their written approval. > >

    09/15/2001 04:23:34
    1. Re[2]: [Pennington-L] Pennington graveyard, Lancashire
    2. Steve, I do not know of any list of who is buried there except for the book below: ARZ++ (Pennington) (Foster, J. Pedigree of Sir Josslyn Pennington) Author Foster, Joseph, 1844-1905. Title Pedigree of Sir Josslyn Pennington, fifth baron Muncaster of Muncaster and ninth baronet. Comp. chiefly from deeds and charters in H.M. record office, by Joseph Foster ... Imprint London, Priv. print. at the Chiswick Press, 1878. This is the call number from the NY Public Library but the book is found in the library of congress also. You might try a Cumbria Family History Society on the web. They frequently sell microfiche of burial inscriptionsfor different churches. Nick. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [Pennington-L] Pennington graveyard, Lancashire Author: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> at Internet Date: 9/10/01 9:16 AM Yes Nick that would be the same cemetery. Do you know of a listing or other documentation of the Penningtons buried there? Steve P npenington@netmail.hscbklyn.edu wrote: > St. Michael's Church is the Church next to Muncaster Castle > Ravenglass, Cumbria. Is this the one you mean? It has graves of all > the Muncaster Penningtons. Nick P. > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== Please do not post virus warnings on this list. Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you're expecting For addition virus info see http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or http://www.mcafee.com/

    09/10/2001 06:16:45
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] Pennington graveyard, Lancashire
    2. St. Michael's Church is the Church next to Muncaster Castle Ravenglass, Cumbria. Is this the one you mean? It has graves of all the Muncaster Penningtons. Nick P. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [Pennington-L] Pennington graveyard, Lancashire Author: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> at Internet Date: 9/9/01 8:29 PM Apparently there is a Pennington Graveyard at the Church of St. Michael's and The Holy Angels, Lancashire, now in Cumbria. Does anyone know of this cemetery, and maybe either have info on it or know where there's something published? Steve P ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== This Pennington mail list is hosted by Rootsweb. To subscribe to Rootsweb, and show your support of their efforts, see http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

    09/10/2001 04:59:00
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] Pennington graveyard, Lancashire
    2. Steve Privett
    3. Yes Nick that would be the same cemetery. Do you know of a listing or other documentation of the Penningtons buried there? Steve P npenington@netmail.hscbklyn.edu wrote: > St. Michael's Church is the Church next to Muncaster Castle > Ravenglass, Cumbria. Is this the one you mean? It has graves of all > the Muncaster Penningtons. Nick P. >

    09/10/2001 02:16:35
    1. [Pennington-L] Pennington graveyard, Lancashire
    2. Steve Privett
    3. Apparently there is a Pennington Graveyard at the Church of St. Michael's and The Holy Angels, Lancashire, now in Cumbria. Does anyone know of this cemetery, and maybe either have info on it or know where there's something published? Steve P

    09/09/2001 01:29:14
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] KY MARRIAGES
    2. I'm interested in trying to find the marriage of Gladys Lehr Pennington Richards to Dr. William R. Richards probably between 1940 and 1970. I'm interested in finding the marriage of Phyliss Pennington to Roy L. Moss probably between 1920 and 1980. They were probably both in the Lousiville, KY area. At a brick wall. Thank You. Sandy. Also can you tell me how I can get a copy of the marriage license and their death certificates when I locate the dates. Also can you tell me the address of the public library in Louisville, KY. Thanks, Sandy

    09/09/2001 02:28:14
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] KY MARRIAGES
    2. Kristie Setser
    3. Hi everyone, The Kentucky marriages have been moved to my new server. I will email those who are wanting the new website so please email me directly. I feel that posting a domain name to the email lists people tend to get offended and I have seen many flame others who no longer host their personal websites on sites such as rootsweb but their own domain name. I think many people get offended because they feel that posting a domain URL other than one hosted on rootsweb is trying to steal business. I in that case am not. But out of respect just email me and I will email the url to you. Kristie Setser -------Original Message------- From: PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, September 08, 2001 08:47:00 AM To: PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pennington-L] KY MARRIAGES Hi Kristie. I tried to go to the web site and it comes up-page not found. what am I doing wrong? Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristie Setser <cnt1986@softhome.net> To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: [Pennington-L] KY MARRIAGES > I have been been researching my KY families and I have put a KY marriage > site on my home page. There are a lot of Pennington marriages already on > there and I have 13 more pages of Pennington names to add. Since I am > researching the following names BRADFIELD, HADLEY, GIBSON, PENNINGTON, ROUSE > LEWIS, SETSER, COOK, WRIGHT, BALLARD, CADWALADER, MURRAY, JAMERSON, SISK, > ASHBY, SPRAWLS, DICKENS, FARR and various spellings I figured I would do a > website for all of the names listed above not just of my families. I did > this to help others who are also researching these names. I have much time, > so I figured while I am looking at microfilm and books I will just get all > of the information on anyone who has that last name. > > > You can view the marriages at: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourancestry/kymar.htm > > Kristie > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > Threaded archives can now be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pennington > or for a search engine try > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and search the over 5300 archived messages > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== Please respect people's copyright protection and only repost or publish their info after getting their written approval.

    09/08/2001 01:07:58
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] KY MARRIAGES
    2. Steve Privett
    3. Kristie, Don't be concerned about posting URL to this list. If the site has Pennington information, it's appropriate to share regardless of who the host is. I welcome sharing of all URL's with Pennington info as it not only helps those currently subscribed, but also puts the URL in the archives for others to find. Thanks for the work to make the information available to all. Steve P Pennington Listowner Kristie Setser wrote: >Hi everyone, > >The Kentucky marriages have been moved to my new server. I will email those >who are wanting the new website so please email me directly. I feel that >posting a domain name to the email lists people tend to get offended and I >have seen many flame others who no longer host their personal websites on >sites such as rootsweb but their own domain name. I think many people get >offended because they feel that posting a domain URL other than one hosted >on rootsweb is trying to steal business. I in that case am not. But out of >respect just email me and I will email the url to you. > >Kristie Setser > >-------Original Message------- > >From: PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Saturday, September 08, 2001 08:47:00 AM >To: PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Pennington-L] KY MARRIAGES > >Hi Kristie. >I tried to go to the web site and it comes up-page not found. what am I >doing wrong? Mary >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kristie Setser <cnt1986@softhome.net> >To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:11 PM >Subject: [Pennington-L] KY MARRIAGES > > >>I have been been researching my KY families and I have put a KY marriage >>site on my home page. There are a lot of Pennington marriages already on >>there and I have 13 more pages of Pennington names to add. Since I am >>researching the following names BRADFIELD, HADLEY, GIBSON, PENNINGTON, >> >ROUSE > >>LEWIS, SETSER, COOK, WRIGHT, BALLARD, CADWALADER, MURRAY, JAMERSON, SISK, >>ASHBY, SPRAWLS, DICKENS, FARR and various spellings I figured I would do a >>website for all of the names listed above not just of my families. I did >>this to help others who are also researching these names. I have much >> >time, > >>so I figured while I am looking at microfilm and books I will just get all >>of the information on anyone who has that last name. >> >> >>You can view the marriages at: >> >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourancestry/kymar.htm >> >>Kristie >> >> >>==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== >>Threaded archives can now be found at >>http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pennington >>or for a search engine try >>http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>and search the over 5300 archived messages >> >> > > >==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== >Please respect people's copyright protection and only repost >or publish their info after getting their written approval. > > >==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== >Please respect people's copyright protection and only repost >or publish their info after getting their written approval. > >

    09/08/2001 12:01:28
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] KY MARRIAGES
    2. mary severin
    3. Hi Kristie. I tried to go to the web site and it comes up-page not found. what am I doing wrong? Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristie Setser <cnt1986@softhome.net> To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: [Pennington-L] KY MARRIAGES > I have been been researching my KY families and I have put a KY marriage > site on my home page. There are a lot of Pennington marriages already on > there and I have 13 more pages of Pennington names to add. Since I am > researching the following names BRADFIELD, HADLEY, GIBSON, PENNINGTON, ROUSE > LEWIS, SETSER, COOK, WRIGHT, BALLARD, CADWALADER, MURRAY, JAMERSON, SISK, > ASHBY, SPRAWLS, DICKENS, FARR and various spellings I figured I would do a > website for all of the names listed above not just of my families. I did > this to help others who are also researching these names. I have much time, > so I figured while I am looking at microfilm and books I will just get all > of the information on anyone who has that last name. > > > You can view the marriages at: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourancestry/kymar.htm > > Kristie > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > Threaded archives can now be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pennington > or for a search engine try > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and search the over 5300 archived messages > >

    09/08/2001 12:41:26
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] Lee Pennington
    2. sadie stamper greer
    3. I know nothing of what you are speaking of here, but would like to say something..this man in the nursing home you say has his wits, well, do both of you a favor and go interview him and write or record everything about family he will tell you. You will be doing him a great deed and your descendants. The company you give him will more tan compensate for what he offers. Don't wait until the history is destroyed. I find all these little notes very interesting. Enjoy and thank you for posting. My Dad is in a nursing home and he does not remember where he came from or his family after we go out the door..but years ago, I took up recording interviews and I now have many to reflect on while enduring this great change in him. That Daddy that raised me is not there anymore, but in my heart , he will always be......Take care of your family in more ways than one.. Sadie Stamper Greer, reading with great interest. Thanks for sharing.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristie Setser" <cnt1986@softhome.net> To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 08:14 PM Subject: [Pennington-L] Lee Pennington > Lois, > > I do not remember a Lee Pennington (poet), but that is to not say he may not > have been there. So many names were speeding past me and the noise I could > not remember them all. Being hard of hearing makes it hard to understand or > catch everything being said. I can remember William Pennington, Harold > Frazier, Shorty Frazier, Red Pennington, Earlene Pennington (married name > not sure of) Earlene is the sister to my grandmother and several others. I > did see a William Pennington while at the Tompkinsville nursing home to see > my aunt Nettie Pennington Frazier. This William was called Lee, he is the > son of Joseph Lee Pennington, whom was also called Lee. So not sure if the > William at the nursing home is who you speak of. Which he does not need to > be there. He is a tough man, has all his whit about him and is very able to > move around. > > Most of you who are aware of Monroe County or live there know about the > pipeline explosion some years back. The William Pennington I speak of who is > at the nursing home lost his wife and 3 children in the explosion. It is > said after the accident William went traveling about and upon returning he > didn't have a home so he has since been living at the nursing home. William > is the son of my great grandfather's brother. > > Sorry but I get sidetracked and off to something else while answering a > question. > > Kristie Setser > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > Please do not post virus warnings on this list. > Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you're expecting > For addition virus info see http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or > http://www.mcafee.com/ > >

    09/05/2001 12:52:56
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] Lee Pennington
    2. Kristie This Lee Pennington is a professor if memory serves me correctly. and had a blondish white beard......Lois > . I > did see a William Pennington while at the Tompkinsville nursing home to see > my aunt Nettie Pennington Frazier. This William was called Lee, he is the > son of Joseph Lee Pennington, whom was also called Lee. So not sure if the > William at the nursing home is who you speak of. Which he does not need to > be there. He is a tough man, has all his whit about him and is very able to > move around. >

    09/04/2001 05:18:09
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] Lee Pennington
    2. Kristie Setser
    3. Lois, I do not recall a man with a blondish white beard. Kristie -------Original Message------- From: PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:19:55 PM To: PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pennington-L] Lee Pennington Kristie This Lee Pennington is a professor if memory serves me correctly. and had a blondish white beard......Lois > . I > did see a William Pennington while at the Tompkinsville nursing home to see > my aunt Nettie Pennington Frazier. This William was called Lee, he is the > son of Joseph Lee Pennington, whom was also called Lee. So not sure if the > William at the nursing home is who you speak of. Which he does not need to > be there. He is a tough man, has all his whit about him and is very able to > move around. > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== To search over 5500 archived messages from this list see http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Threaded archives can now be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pennington

    09/04/2001 05:00:59
    1. [Pennington-L] Lee Pennington
    2. Kristie Setser
    3. Lois, I do not remember a Lee Pennington (poet), but that is to not say he may not have been there. So many names were speeding past me and the noise I could not remember them all. Being hard of hearing makes it hard to understand or catch everything being said. I can remember William Pennington, Harold Frazier, Shorty Frazier, Red Pennington, Earlene Pennington (married name not sure of) Earlene is the sister to my grandmother and several others. I did see a William Pennington while at the Tompkinsville nursing home to see my aunt Nettie Pennington Frazier. This William was called Lee, he is the son of Joseph Lee Pennington, whom was also called Lee. So not sure if the William at the nursing home is who you speak of. Which he does not need to be there. He is a tough man, has all his whit about him and is very able to move around. Most of you who are aware of Monroe County or live there know about the pipeline explosion some years back. The William Pennington I speak of who is at the nursing home lost his wife and 3 children in the explosion. It is said after the accident William went traveling about and upon returning he didn't have a home so he has since been living at the nursing home. William is the son of my great grandfather's brother. Sorry but I get sidetracked and off to something else while answering a question. Kristie Setser

    09/04/2001 04:14:39
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] Pennington Reunion
    2. Thanks, Julia - that's what I thought, thanks for verifying .... lots of us out there, eh? Appreciate you straightening out my mind .... and they said "it couldn't be done!" :o) Thanks again, Linda In a message dated 9/4/01 7:01:34 PM Central Daylight Time, julishka@ix.netcom.com writes: > this email list is for the discussion of all penningtons all over the > world. (if that's what you mean by forum) :) > > julia. > "You Can't Turn Back The Clock, But You Can Wind It Up Again!"

    09/04/2001 02:15:49
    1. Re: [Pennington-L] Pennington Reunion
    2. Kristie Did you happen to see Lee Pennington, Poet Laureate of KY there? Don't think he's in my Wm Pennington m Susanne Nossmen group. I met him a few years ago when he was the guest speaker of honor at a writers conference. Very nice person......Lois

    09/04/2001 02:02:34