Hi listers, My father's family came from the Marsh House Lane area of Warrington in the 1930's and I would be grateful for any information about them because I know very little about them apart from the following; My grandfather was William Pennington who was a bricklayer My grandmother was Martha Pennington (nee Chapman) Their children were,Edith,Olive,Ivy,Frederick,William and Stanley (my father) T.I.A. Roy Pennington.

Well doubting Thomas ;-) Thanks for the opportunity to answer these questions that you have. You have every right to be skeptical. All I can say is if you do this by yourself all you get is a sting of 12 numbers. If they match someone else it means you are very likely to share a common ancestor. If you do the test with us, we will do our best to explain the result fully on our website in relation to other participants and answer any specific questions you may have (one on one) by email. It is your responsibility to ask questions if you don't understand anything. We cannot guarantee that you will match anyone else, but in time more people should add their results and you may find a match then. For instance someone who's male Pennington line is not direct in terms of paternity will not match any other Pennington. The results will be published on the PRA website and in the PRA magazine Pennington Pedigrees. As to us partially understanding it, well it is new technology, but I happen to be a biological scientist with a knowledge of DNA and we have another Pennington involved who is a microbiologist/geneticist. We have programs that can draw genetic family trees, and I think we are about as well qualified to interpret this study as anyone is. By the way, all participants get everything back from the lab that I get as far as the result is concerned. Please remember that we are volunteers, so we cannot tailor each report specifically to the participant who has time for that? If you read what is on the PRA website especially the DNA proposal it is written in plain English I think. Regards Nick P. Jtp9278@cs.com To: PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com 03/13/02 03:44 PM cc: Please respond to Subject: [Pennington-L] Re: PENNINGTON-D Digest V02 #32 PENNINGTON-L In a message dated 3/13/2002 4:01:49 AM Central Standard Time, PENNINGTON-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > The only person who can break the code is the PRA project > coordinator, and I will regard this information as strictly confidential. > No reference will be made to living individuals when the time comes to > publish all the results in full. We will ------------------------- Which brings up the question, just what is divulged to the participant?Or will the results be published in some phantom jargon, which possibly the writer does not fully understand. Do we get a complete story on it, or just what someone thinks we should have. What I am asking is, will we be given a breakdown of the test, or will it come back, sorry ,you don't fit in anywhere. I am named Thomas, which the "T" in my name represents,and as such I am skeptical of a lot of things. Additionally, in the early days of my gen. research, several people have promised a lot for X amount of money, always up front, and then the information just dwindled down to, sorry, there are just not any information available. And naturally, I don't care to travel those roads again. So, if the information comes back to me, and has some meaning, I will participate.But if it is just going to be published in some high falutin journal, ---forget it. Tom Pennington ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== To search over 5500 archived messages from this list see http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Threaded archives can now be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pennington

In a message dated 3/13/2002 4:01:49 AM Central Standard Time, PENNINGTON-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > The only person who can break the code is the PRA project > coordinator, and I will regard this information as strictly confidential. > No reference will be made to living individuals when the time comes to > publish all the results in full. We will ------------------------- Which brings up the question, just what is divulged to the participant?Or will the results be published in some phantom jargon, which possibly the writer does not fully understand. Do we get a complete story on it, or just what someone thinks we should have. What I am asking is, will we be given a breakdown of the test, or will it come back, sorry ,you don't fit in anywhere. I am named Thomas, which the "T" in my name represents,and as such I am skeptical of a lot of things. Additionally, in the early days of my gen. research, several people have promised a lot for X amount of money, always up front, and then the information just dwindled down to, sorry, there are just not any information available. And naturally, I don't care to travel those roads again. So, if the information comes back to me, and has some meaning, I will participate.But if it is just going to be published in some high falutin journal, ---forget it. Tom Pennington

Dear Roy, I am afraid that is not much to go on. My family was from Aston-by-Sutton near Runcorn Cheshire not 5 miles from you. If you go to www.penningtonresearch.org you can see the family details under family groups (group 33). It sounds like you need to do the routine PRO look up which should get you back to 1837. Failing that, check out the DNA study which could hook you up with another Pennington family tree. I would love to see someone from so close a location to my ancestors participate in this study. Cheers. NP. "Roy Pennington" <roypenn@lineone. To: PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com net> cc: Subject: [Pennington-L] Pennington family from Warrington 03/13/02 03:20 PM Please respond to PENNINGTON-L Hi listers, My father's family came from the Marsh House Lane area of Warrington in the 1930's and I would be grateful for any information about them because I know very little about them apart from the following; My grandfather was William Pennington who was a bricklayer My grandmother was Martha Pennington (nee Chapman) Their children were,Edith,Olive,Ivy,Frederick,William and Stanley (my father) T.I.A. Roy Pennington. ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== Please respect people's copyright protection and only repost or publish their info after getting their written approval.

many thanks Nick, Unfortunately none are living....That I know of... oh well back to buying certificates.... cheers Julie

Hi everyone, Will this save me $$ in buying certificates as well ?? ;-) I still do not have a group to officially belong to ; -( although I have a long contact list of other Lancashire researchers.. Please verify that I can take a sample from my fathers cheek , his mother was a PENNINGTON born in Lancashire...And as we are living in Australia are we included ? cheers Julie

George Richard PENNINTGTON mentioned in these 1933 Newspaper tidbits...Lois http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tn/white/news/news09.txt

The address below is for some newspaper tidbit, This about the Penningtons is included....Lois http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tn/white/news/news03.txt THE SPARTA NEWS THURSDAY, AUGUST 14, 1930 VOLUME 16 NUMBER 23 NEWS FROM OVER THE COUNTY HOPEWELL Mr. and Mrs. GEO. PENNINGTON and children visited his parents, Mr. and Mrs. JASPER PENNINGTON Sunday.

Hi Julie in Australia, Pe(n)ningtons in Australia would be welcome to take the test but unfortunately our test will not work unless the (male) person tested has the surname Pennington and his male ancestors were also called Pennington as far as you can trace. You could use a male Pennington relative from your fathers mothers line if you can track them down. Nick P. "Julie Vandersluys" To: PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com <cjv1@bigpond.com cc: > Subject: Re: [Pennington-L] Pennington DNA Study Phase II 03/12/02 04:19 PM Please respond to PENNINGTON-L Hi everyone, Will this save me $$ in buying certificates as well ?? ;-) I still do not have a group to officially belong to ; -( although I have a long contact list of other Lancashire researchers.. Please verify that I can take a sample from my fathers cheek , his mother was a PENNINGTON born in Lancashire...And as we are living in Australia are we included ? cheers Julie ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== The threaded archives are back on line and can be found at a new URL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pennington

The time has come to forge ahead with phase II of the Pennington Family DNA study. We have just been offered a special group rate of $115 per participant, which includes all our mailing and administrative charges (this has not yet been corrected on our website). For this we can have 12 sites on your Y chromosome tested (usually enough to find out if you are related to a given lineage). If a 12/12 match is obtained we can refine it by doing an additional 9 sites for $60 more. Now there is a great advantage to doing your test with the PRA because if you go to Family Tree DNA yourself it costs $219 for 12 sites and then you might not be able to interpret the result fully. You must either be a male with the surname Pennington (or variant), or get a relative to donate the cells scraped from their cheek for you to participate in this study (details on website below). Yes even British Pen(n)ingtons can participate but you have to send us dollars. The other advantage of going through the PRA is that the DNA testing company only gets a code number from us along with a surname and the cheek cells. The only person who can break the code is the PRA project coordinator, and I will regard this information as strictly confidential. No reference will be made to living individuals when the time comes to publish all the results in full. We will describe the various lineages up till say 1900 and provide the DNA signature with no indication of who provided it. That means that nobody has both your entire DNA and your identity. The numbers that we obtain are only of use to genealogists interested in family history, no medical information can be deduced from this DNA information. Have a look on the PRA website for DNA participation forms and two articles that describe the results of our project so far: http://penningtonresearch.org/organization/researchcmt/phasetwo.htm Note that having done this DNA test with the PRA, several Pennington lineages, that did not previously know they were related, have found that they are one and the same family. You may even find out that you are likely to be descended from Celts or from Vikings by doing this test. Some family groups have offered money to test someone from their group (notably group 32) and some have promised to find volunteers. Lets see if we can put all this together. The Graves family has over a hundred volunteers are we going to let them out do us? Nick Penington DNA project leader. Contact npenington@downstate.edu if you would like to participate.

Well, folks, I think I got the Group VI website moved and everything is functional. Let me know if you see any problems. It is at: http://www.knology.net/~bobpenn1/ . Enjoy! Bobby Pennington Charleston, SC Group Leader

Hi Barb, That was such a nice post, and thanks. Because I was successful in finding the line I need through this List, I may stay here and not be concerned about the other. But, yes, it is great to correspond with relatives who are "cousins"...nice ones too. It is my brother's wife's lineage and she knows no relatives and I wanted to give this to her for her anniversary. You probably saw that. I appreciate the time you took to reply to my query. Thank so much, Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <keenebj@juno.com> To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: [Pennington-L] Pennington Groups > Hi Audrey, > The Pennington Groups were begun some years back by the Pennington Family > Research Assn. They were/are not required but are tools for breaking > down the large numbers of Pennington's into more manageable groups. > This list is not the Pennington Research Assn. (PRA) list but is a > separate surname list owned by Steve Privett. > There is a PRA list and some folks belong to both lists. I believe Gene > Pennington is still list manager for the > PRA list. > > Back to the PRA Groups. They can be very useful but not entirely > necessary. I know that my ancestor was > Arad Pennington, long believed to be the son of Wells Pennington. That > is Group 32 of PRA. However, I was still Arad's G-G-Gdaughter long > before PRA was formed. The groups are not social entities, tho it's nice > to talk to folks from your same line. If you don't have a number of a > group, don't be concerned. You haven't lost anything. After more > research, you may find your line has a group already, or you may choose > to try to have a group formed if you are a member of PRA or you might > just continue to research if you enjoy it and not worry about groups. > > I am no longer a member of PRA but continue as a dedicated Pennington > researcher. I seldom have a reason to use the group designation anymore. > My point is that folks don't need to get overly concerned or spend too > much time trying to fit into groups. Just use them if you want to. > > Barb T > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > Please do not post virus warnings on this list. > Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you're expecting > For addition virus info see http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or > http://www.mcafee.com/ >

Howdy - In my query I asked what group I belonged too, and you were the only one that responded. haha. I think we are trying to prove that we belong to group 8 - that is who I keep sending the info to - Rod Pennington. If you find out, please let me know also. haha. thanks DeeDee Sanders 1440 Gwen Drive Baton Rouge, LA 70815

Audrey, In Texas the quarterly, Pennington Pedigrees, is published by a group of people all with Pennington connections. They have established groups according to names of heads of families known to them. Sometimes these groups over-lap and you're right, I don't know any other lines that do this. I think I have an old Penn. Ped. here if no one else comes up with an address for you. If you join their group, you get the magazine and you're in contact with people who have searched that name for years and have organized themselves into groups so they research just the family they fit in. I hope I've explained this in the right way,but this is why you see the groups mentioned. These people know the group they belong to but have not finished searching and documenting their line. Hope this helps. I think they have a site I have seen mentioned before but I've never checked. Brenda Felder ------ Original Message ----- From: Audrey E. Pool Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2002 6:46pm To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Pennington-L] John Dewey "JD" Pennington Jr. Dee Dee, Can you explain what group I need to belong to? I don't understand how that works; no other site I am on does this...that I know of. Thanks, Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <DecoDeeDee@aol.com> To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: [Pennington-L] John Dewey "JD" Pennington Jr. > Absalom Pennington descendant: > He will be sorely missed > <A HREF="http://www.theadvocate.com/obits/search.asp?mode=Today">Click here: The Advocate Online Obituaries Search Page</A> > > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > Please do not post virus warnings on this list. > Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you're expecting > For addition virus info see http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or > http://www.mcafee.com/ > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== To search over 5500 archived messages from this list see http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Threaded archives can now be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pennington

Hi Audrey, The Pennington Groups were begun some years back by the Pennington Family Research Assn. They were/are not required but are tools for breaking down the large numbers of Pennington's into more manageable groups. This list is not the Pennington Research Assn. (PRA) list but is a separate surname list owned by Steve Privett. There is a PRA list and some folks belong to both lists. I believe Gene Pennington is still list manager for the PRA list. Back to the PRA Groups. They can be very useful but not entirely necessary. I know that my ancestor was Arad Pennington, long believed to be the son of Wells Pennington. That is Group 32 of PRA. However, I was still Arad's G-G-Gdaughter long before PRA was formed. The groups are not social entities, tho it's nice to talk to folks from your same line. If you don't have a number of a group, don't be concerned. You haven't lost anything. After more research, you may find your line has a group already, or you may choose to try to have a group formed if you are a member of PRA or you might just continue to research if you enjoy it and not worry about groups. I am no longer a member of PRA but continue as a dedicated Pennington researcher. I seldom have a reason to use the group designation anymore. My point is that folks don't need to get overly concerned or spend too much time trying to fit into groups. Just use them if you want to. Barb T

Dee, Didn't you tell me your father was Carroll? He sent a notes saying it was 8, so on the right track! Do you know if anyone has researched the COURTNEY line? I see them in Southside VA where many PENNINGTONS were before the Carolinas. Am really curious if they are the same families. Thanks, Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <DecoDeeDee@aol.com> To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Pennington-L] John Dewey "JD" Pennington Jr. > Howdy - In my query I asked what group I belonged too, and you were the only > one that responded. haha. I think we are trying to prove that we belong to > group 8 - that is who I keep sending the info to - Rod Pennington. If you > find out, please let me know also. haha. thanks > DeeDee Sanders > 1440 Gwen Drive > Baton Rouge, LA 70815 > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > Please do not post virus warnings on this list. > Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you're expecting > For addition virus info see http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or > http://www.mcafee.com/ >

Brenda, Thanks so much. Years ago I heard of the PENNINGTON Pedigrees and didn't do anything about it, but now want to do this for my brother's wife. However, I purchased a book on her line and a lot of work has gone into same. If you have the address handy, please send along and I'll decide what to do. Sincerely, Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenda Felder <grannyfelder@msn.com> To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [Pennington-L] John Dewey "JD" Pennington Jr. > Audrey, In Texas the quarterly, Pennington Pedigrees, is published by > a group of people all with Pennington connections. They have established > groups according to names of heads of families known to them. Sometimes > these groups over-lap and you're right, I don't know any other lines that do > this. I think I have an old Penn. Ped. here if no one else comes up with an > address for you. If you join their group, you get the magazine and you're > in contact with people who have searched that name for years and have organized themselves into groups so they research just the family they fit > in. I hope I've explained this in the right way,but this is why you see the > groups mentioned. These people know the group they belong to but have > not finished searching and documenting their line. Hope this helps. > I think they have a site I have seen mentioned before but I've never > checked. Brenda Felder > > ------ Original Message ----- > > From: Audrey E. Pool > Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2002 6:46pm > To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [Pennington-L] John Dewey "JD" Pennington Jr. > Dee Dee, > > Can you explain what group I need to belong to? I don't understand how that > works; no other site I am on does this...that I know of. > > Thanks, Audrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DecoDeeDee@aol.com> > To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: [Pennington-L] John Dewey "JD" Pennington Jr. > > > > Absalom Pennington descendant: > > He will be sorely missed > > <A HREF="http://www.theadvocate.com/obits/search.asp?mode=Today">Click > here: The Advocate Online Obituaries Search Page</A> > > > > > > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > > Please do not post virus warnings on this list. > > Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you're expecting > > For addition virus info see http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or > > http://www.mcafee.com/ > > > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > To search over 5500 archived messages from this list see > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Threaded archives can now be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pennington > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > Please do not post virus warnings on this list. > Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you're expecting > For addition virus info see http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or > http://www.mcafee.com/ >

Dee Dee, Can you explain what group I need to belong to? I don't understand how that works; no other site I am on does this...that I know of. Thanks, Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <DecoDeeDee@aol.com> To: <PENNINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: [Pennington-L] John Dewey "JD" Pennington Jr. > Absalom Pennington descendant: > He will be sorely missed > <A HREF="http://www.theadvocate.com/obits/search.asp?mode=Today">Click here: The Advocate Online Obituaries Search Page</A> > > > > ==== PENNINGTON Mailing List ==== > Please do not post virus warnings on this list. > Practice safe e-mail habits and only open attachments you're expecting > For addition virus info see http://www.symantec.com/us.index.html or > http://www.mcafee.com/ >

My uncle Oscar Pennington passed away on February 14, 2002, in Lancaster , Ca. He was born February 1 1909 in Kingsville, Mo. Father- John William Pennington 3/28/1878 in Moniteau Co, Missouri Died 4/271949 Everett, Wash. Mother-Minnie Shaw 3/8/1889 Cass County , Missouri Died 12/12/1985 St Joseph, Missouri I believe we are from Group 1V

Thanks for putting John's obit on line !!! Dad