Ron, Your extensive Shelley file arrived and reads OK , thank you, very much. Unfortunately I have only one distant connection in my program @ Magdalena Shelley, 1761-1842, m Christian Martin, Earl, LancCoPa. Christian is s/o David Herr Martin & gs of David Martin (1691-1784) of Weaverland, &m 4 times: Weber/Herr/Groff(2). It sounds to me as if you have all of the early Herrs & the Groff Book and probably don't need those repeated. I have parents, siblings & some descendants for David Martin and will send those. By the way her dob is 11 Jan 1761, dod= 2 Jun ;;his dob=13 Apr 1758, dod 3 May 1841. As for my own (n)grandparents: I can find no connection to my Shelly head of household: Christian Shelly, 26 Dec 1769- Oct 1842, Wash twp, FranCoPa, but bur Ringgold BinCh, WashCoMd, m Magdalena Hasby, b-26 Jun 1796 & d/o John Hasby,nfr, but who was living in Canada "when Magdalena, on her own, rode a horse to Canada to ask her father for a loan." Children & spouses: 1. Nancy nm/ni, 19 Jul 1794-24 Dec 1863 2. Mary Polly ca 1796, m 23 Nov 1816, m Tobias Funk (13 Jun 1796,PA-30 Apr 1853 at ,Washington,Franklin,PA) 3. Elizabeth-ca 1802 Pa-bef 1840, FranCoPa, m Isaac Hershey 4. Barbara ca 1803, m Joseph Whitmore 5. (my) Catharine, 15 Jan 1806 on Shelly homestead, nr Greencastle,FrankCoPa,m 11 Nov 1824, Jacob Funk, 15 Feb 1803-15 Feb 1850, Big Spring, Marshes, Washington, Franklin,PA 6. Lydia ca 1808, m David Shope 7. John ca 1809 -aft 1840, nfr 8. Jacob aft 1810. nfr Christian's will proved 5 Nov 1842 FCCH grants $2,000 to each child; Wit: Jeremiah Gordon & John Lesher, Exec: Joseph Snively So, the above is all I have on MY Shelly's! Too bad I could not connect to all that good work you have done. If you have any ideas or I missed something, or you come across my group sometime, please let me know, Should I return just Christian Martin's MARTIN ancestors or the Herr/BAR/Kundig ones as well?? Jack Clopper