Thanks again Joan and also thanks to Ken and Sandy Bitler for the information on the methodist archives. Joan, about the only other family 'tradition' that I can think of is that Isaac's grandfather supposedly fought with the British in the American revolution (perhaps a Hessian?). How would that tally in with being Pennsylvania Dutch? (I also skipped a generation - Isaac was my gggrand-father) June Ken - if you locate an e-mail address for Old St. George Church would you please forward it?