60 years ago , when I was a young girl, a german family moved into the town where I lived. She spoke very little english, dressed in home knit sweaters,had long blonde braids, & was named,"in the german tradition". Her first name,Susan, then her mothers FULL name (first & last) then the family name. Barb in MI -----Original Message----- From: JANET MASTERS <janet.masters2@verizon.net> To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web >The following e-mail is of great interest to me. I have a problem with my >ggrandmothers name. Also I have met a gentleman that has the same problem >with a female in his tree. Both used the name Palmer when they were married >for the first time but gave the name McFarland as their maiden name when >they had children. My Armenia also was listed as Mary. > >I am most interested in the specifics of the tradition of a German girl >being given their mothers name plus one of their own usually a godmother. >Are we talking about first names and last names? > >Janet >----- Original Message ----- >From: <MarkleVon@aol.com> >To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:58 PM >Subject: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > > >> >> >> >> >> >> PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: >> Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were >Lutherans. >> German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their own, >the >> latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German speaking >> Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, spoke >> different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also >German >> Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the >various >> Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. >> >> The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the >Netherlands, >> nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first applied to >> German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late >eighteenth >> century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several >theories >> exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a descendant >of >> the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and >sixteenth >> centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as >Dutch >> regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. >"Deutsche" >> is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have >> resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed to >> America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have lead >to >> the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a >> regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor >pidgin >> (a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). >> >> >> Q. Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? >> A. The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from >> the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the >> Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania German. >> Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the term >> Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning before >1800. >> The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but were a >> loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and >> confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into being >in >> 1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas >before >> 1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, >> Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more >formal >> definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America from >> those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those that >came >> after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just German >> immigrants. >> >> <!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, Swiss, >> Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. What >> makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in >Philadelphia >> no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had begun) >and >> lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, WV, >or >> further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of >> Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German government or >> flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be Pennsylvanians >and >> NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving >after >> 1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> >> >> >> Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? >> >> The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states and >> Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 >people >> live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, family >and >> community, and separation from the world. >> Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania Dutch >are >> not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, >> particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, >they >> are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly German >> background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or >German). >> They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry >> >> >> >> ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >> New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH >> are gladly advertised here. >> >> >> ============================== >> Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >> > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH >are gladly advertised here. > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >