I have been told they did move to Canada because they did not condone war and the English did confiscated their homes and goods when they did not swear allegiance. But I don't know for certain. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Ratcliff <pratclif@topsurf.com> To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web >Thanks for clarifying this. Are there any records of Pennsylvania Dutch >migrating to Canada? My Gra(y)bills were listed as from Holland when an >ancestor answered a census taker about where his family came from. He >told them that they were Pennsylvania Dutch. > >Pat Ratcliff >Baumholder, Germany >Researching >Ratcliff/Grabill/Button/DeWitt/Hicks/Liebler/Tuttle/Main/Touchstone/Butt >s/Knight/Clough/Worthley/Yarrow/Burchett >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/t/Patricia-Louise-Ratcliff >----- Original Message ----- >From: <MarkleVon@aol.com> >To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:58 AM >Subject: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > > >> >> >> >> >> >> PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: >> Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were >Lutherans. >> German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their >own, the >> latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German >speaking >> Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, >spoke >> different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also >German >> Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the >various >> Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. >> >> The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the >Netherlands, >> nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first >applied to >> German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late >eighteenth >> century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several >theories >> exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a >descendant of >> the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and >sixteenth >> centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as >Dutch >> regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. >"Deutsche" >> is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have >> resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed >to >> America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have >lead to >> the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a >> regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor >pidgin >> (a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). >> >> >> Q. Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? >> A. The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from >> the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the >> Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania >German. >> Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the >term >> Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning >before 1800. >> The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but >were a >> loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and >> confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into >being in >> 1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas >before >> 1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, >> Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more >formal >> definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America >from >> those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those >that came >> after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just >German >> immigrants. >> >> <!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, >Swiss, >> Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. >What >> makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in >Philadelphia >> no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had >begun) and >> lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, >WV, or >> further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of >> Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German >government or >> flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be >Pennsylvanians and >> NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving >after >> 1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> >> >> >> Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? >> >> The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states >and >> Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 >people >> live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, >family and >> community, and separation from the world. >> Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania >Dutch are >> not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, >> particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, >they >> are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly >German >> background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or >German). >> They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry >> >> >> >> ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >> New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH >> are gladly advertised here. >> >> >> ============================== >> Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >> > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH >are gladly advertised here. > > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

The Trail of the Black Walnut is an excellent book telling of the moving of PA Dutch folk to Canada in order to avoid the turmoil of the Rev. War. Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Blair <blair8535@nbn.net> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > I have been told they did move to Canada because they > did not condone war and the English did confiscated their > homes and goods when they did not swear allegiance. > But I don't know for certain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Ratcliff <pratclif@topsurf.com> > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > > > >Thanks for clarifying this. Are there any records of Pennsylvania Dutch > >migrating to Canada? My Gra(y)bills were listed as from Holland when an > >ancestor answered a census taker about where his family came from. He > >told them that they were Pennsylvania Dutch. > > > >Pat Ratcliff > >Baumholder, Germany > >Researching > >Ratcliff/Grabill/Button/DeWitt/Hicks/Liebler/Tuttle/Main/Touchstone/Butt > >s/Knight/Clough/Worthley/Yarrow/Burchett > >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/t/Patricia-Louise-Ratcliff > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <MarkleVon@aol.com> > >To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:58 AM > >Subject: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: > >> Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were > >Lutherans. > >> German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their > >own, the > >> latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German > >speaking > >> Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, > >spoke > >> different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also > >German > >> Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the > >various > >> Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. > >> > >> The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the > >Netherlands, > >> nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first > >applied to > >> German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late > >eighteenth > >> century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several > >theories > >> exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a > >descendant of > >> the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and > >sixteenth > >> centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as > >Dutch > >> regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. > >"Deutsche" > >> is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have > >> resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed > >to > >> America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have > >lead to > >> the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a > >> regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor > >pidgin > >> (a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). > >> > >> > >> Q. Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? > >> A. The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from > >> the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the > >> Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania > >German. > >> Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the > >term > >> Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning > >before 1800. > >> The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but > >were a > >> loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and > >> confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into > >being in > >> 1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas > >before > >> 1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, > >> Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more > >formal > >> definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America > >from > >> those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those > >that came > >> after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just > >German > >> immigrants. > >> > >> <!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, > >Swiss, > >> Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. > >What > >> makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in > >Philadelphia > >> no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had > >begun) and > >> lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, > >WV, or > >> further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of > >> Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German > >government or > >> flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be > >Pennsylvanians and > >> NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving > >after > >> 1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> > >> > >> > >> Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? > >> > >> The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states > >and > >> Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 > >people > >> live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, > >family and > >> community, and separation from the world. > >> Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania > >Dutch are > >> not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, > >> particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, > >they > >> are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly > >German > >> background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or > >German). > >> They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > >> New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH > >> are gladly advertised here. > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > >> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >> > > > > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > >New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH > >are gladly advertised here. > > > > > >============================== > >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Welcome to our list! 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Some of the GRAYBILL family in VERY early PA spelled the name as KREIBEL. Look for them in Evangelical records in Germany. Elida in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Blair" <blair8535@nbn.net> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > I have been told they did move to Canada because they > did not condone war and the English did confiscated their > homes and goods when they did not swear allegiance. > But I don't know for certain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Ratcliff <pratclif@topsurf.com> > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > > > >Thanks for clarifying this. Are there any records of Pennsylvania Dutch > >migrating to Canada? My Gra(y)bills were listed as from Holland when an > >ancestor answered a census taker about where his family came from. He > >told them that they were Pennsylvania Dutch. > > > >Pat Ratcliff > >Baumholder, Germany > >Researching > >Ratcliff/Grabill/Button/DeWitt/Hicks/Liebler/Tuttle/Main/Touchstone/Butt > >s/Knight/Clough/Worthley/Yarrow/Burchett > >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/t/Patricia-Louise-Ratcliff

I'm Canadian and PA Dutch. Having trouble with the statement presented here. My ancestors left the Penn area during the American Revolution to travel to Canada because they were having trouble with the English? These people are called United Empire Loyalists (UEL). Then why go to Canada that was controlled by the English? I think that American patriotism is turning this statement around. They refused to give allegiance to the Yankees so they left for Canada and their lands were confiscated by the Americans. We PA's are all through Canada but the Kitchener area has a large Amish community that still use horse and buggies As an interesting addage to this about 5 years ago the U.S. government tried to inflict their authority on Canadian companies with some assets in the States. They were threatening to confiscate these assets from any company that was doing business with Cuba. An elected Member of Parliament retailiated by tabling a bill confiscating all assets of American companies doing business in Canada until all United Empire Loyalists descendants were compensated for any lost property during the American Revolution. Niether bill was passed or made into law. Roger Storm ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Blair <blair8535@nbn.net> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web | I have been told they did move to Canada because they | did not condone war and the English did confiscated their | homes and goods when they did not swear allegiance. | But I don't know for certain. | | -----Original Message----- | From: Pat Ratcliff <pratclif@topsurf.com> | To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> | Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:00 PM | Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web | | | >Thanks for clarifying this. Are there any records of Pennsylvania Dutch | >migrating to Canada? My Gra(y)bills were listed as from Holland when an | >ancestor answered a census taker about where his family came from. He | >told them that they were Pennsylvania Dutch. | > | >Pat Ratcliff | >Baumholder, Germany | >Researching | >Ratcliff/Grabill/Button/DeWitt/Hicks/Liebler/Tuttle/Main/Touchstone/Butt | >s/Knight/Clough/Worthley/Yarrow/Burchett | >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/t/Patricia-Louise-Ratcliff | >----- Original Message ----- | >From: <MarkleVon@aol.com> | >To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> | >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:58 AM | >Subject: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web | > | > | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: | >> Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were | >Lutherans. | >> German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their | >own, the | >> latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German | >speaking | >> Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, | >spoke | >> different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also | >German | >> Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the | >various | >> Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. | >> | >> The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the | >Netherlands, | >> nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first | >applied to | >> German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late | >eighteenth | >> century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several | >theories | >> exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a | >descendant of | >> the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and | >sixteenth | >> centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as | >Dutch | >> regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. | >"Deutsche" | >> is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have | >> resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed | >to | >> America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have | >lead to | >> the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a | >> regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor | >pidgin | >> (a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). | >> | >> | >> Q. Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? | >> A. The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from | >> the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the | >> Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania | >German. | >> Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the | >term | >> Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning | >before 1800. | >> The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but | >were a | >> loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and | >> confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into | >being in | >> 1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas | >before | >> 1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, | >> Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more | >formal | >> definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America | >from | >> those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those | >that came | >> after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just | >German | >> immigrants. | >> | >> <!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, | >Swiss, | >> Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. | >What | >> makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in | >Philadelphia | >> no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had | >begun) and | >> lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, | >WV, or | >> further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of | >> Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German | >government or | >> flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be | >Pennsylvanians and | >> NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving | >after | >> 1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> | >> | >> | >> Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? | >> | >> The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states | >and | >> Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 | >people | >> live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, | >family and | >> community, and separation from the world. | >> Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania | >Dutch are | >> not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, | >> particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, | >they | >> are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly | >German | >> background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or | >German). | >> They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry | >> | >> | >> | >> ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== | >> New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH | >> are gladly advertised here. | >> | >> | >> ============================== | >> Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! | >> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 | >> | > | > | >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== | >New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH | >are gladly advertised here. | > | > | >============================== | >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! | >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 | > | | | ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== | Welcome to our list! 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hahahahaahaha. Good one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger" <rbstorm@becon.org> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > I'm Canadian and PA Dutch. > Having trouble with the statement presented here. My ancestors left the Penn > area during the American Revolution to travel to Canada because they were > having trouble with the English? These people are called United Empire > Loyalists (UEL). > Then why go to Canada that was controlled by the English? I think that > American patriotism is turning this statement around. They refused to give > allegiance to the Yankees so they left for Canada and their lands were > confiscated by the Americans. We PA's are all through Canada but the > Kitchener > area has a large Amish community that still use horse and buggies > As an interesting addage to this about 5 years ago the U.S. government tried > to inflict their authority on Canadian companies with some assets in the > States. They were threatening to confiscate these assets from any company > that was doing business with Cuba. An elected Member of Parliament > retailiated by tabling a bill confiscating all assets of American companies > doing business in Canada until all United Empire Loyalists descendants were > compensated for any lost property during the American Revolution. Niether > bill was passed or made into law. > Roger Storm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Betty Blair <blair8535@nbn.net> > To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > > > | I have been told they did move to Canada because they > | did not condone war and the English did confiscated their > | homes and goods when they did not swear allegiance. > | But I don't know for certain. > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Pat Ratcliff <pratclif@topsurf.com> > | To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > | Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:00 PM > | Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > | > | > | >Thanks for clarifying this. Are there any records of Pennsylvania Dutch > | >migrating to Canada? My Gra(y)bills were listed as from Holland when an > | >ancestor answered a census taker about where his family came from. He > | >told them that they were Pennsylvania Dutch. > | > > | >Pat Ratcliff > | >Baumholder, Germany > | >Researching > | >Ratcliff/Grabill/Button/DeWitt/Hicks/Liebler/Tuttle/Main/Touchstone/Butt > | >s/Knight/Clough/Worthley/Yarrow/Burchett > | >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/t/Patricia-Louise-Ratcliff > | >----- Original Message ----- > | >From: <MarkleVon@aol.com> > | >To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > | >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:58 AM > | >Subject: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > | > > | > > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: > | >> Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were > | >Lutherans. > | >> German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their > | >own, the > | >> latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German > | >speaking > | >> Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, > | >spoke > | >> different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also > | >German > | >> Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the > | >various > | >> Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. > | >> > | >> The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the > | >Netherlands, > | >> nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first > | >applied to > | >> German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late > | >eighteenth > | >> century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several > | >theories > | >> exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a > | >descendant of > | >> the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and > | >sixteenth > | >> centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as > | >Dutch > | >> regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. > | >"Deutsche" > | >> is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have > | >> resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed > | >to > | >> America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have > | >lead to > | >> the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a > | >> regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor > | >pidgin > | >> (a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). > | >> > | >> > | >> Q. Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? > | >> A. The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from > | >> the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the > | >> Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania > | >German. > | >> Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the > | >term > | >> Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning > | >before 1800. > | >> The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but > | >were a > | >> loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and > | >> confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into > | >being in > | >> 1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas > | >before > | >> 1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, > | >> Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more > | >formal > | >> definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America > | >from > | >> those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those > | >that came > | >> after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just > | >German > | >> immigrants. > | >> > | >> <!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, > | >Swiss, > | >> Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. > | >What > | >> makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in > | >Philadelphia > | >> no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had > | >begun) and > | >> lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, > | >WV, or > | >> further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of > | >> Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German > | >government or > | >> flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be > | >Pennsylvanians and > | >> NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving > | >after > | >> 1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> > | >> > | >> > | >> Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? > | >> > | >> The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states > | >and > | >> Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 > | >people > | >> live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, > | >family and > | >> community, and separation from the world. > | >> Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania > | >Dutch are > | >> not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, > | >> particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, > | >they > | >> are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly > | >German > | >> background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or > | >German). > | >> They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > | >> New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH > | >> are gladly advertised here. > | >> > | >> > | >> ============================== > | >> Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > | >> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > | >> > | > > | > > | >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > | >New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH > | >are gladly advertised here. > | > > | > > | >============================== > | >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > | >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > | > > | > | > | ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > | Welcome to our list! 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