Betty, My mother, born in 1904, 2nd or 3rd generation, told me she had to use a "deutsch" word occasionaly at aschool untilshe was 12 and finally had enough English. She lived at the top of Negro Mountain in Garrett County, MD. Bettie ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Blair <blair8535@nbn.net> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > Right, and even the Scots members of my family (who settled in the > Lancaster County area of PA about 1742) spoke PA Dutch and > English or PA Dutch as their "native" language. Many of the children > only learned English when they attended school. This was until about > 1920 - 1940's when their children were being ridiculed in school as > the "dumb Dutchies/Dutchmen", even by some teachers, so parents > taught their children English at home instead of PA Dutch. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MarkleVon@aol.com <MarkleVon@aol.com> > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:00 PM > Subject: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > > > > > > > > > > > > > >PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: > >Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were Lutherans. > >German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their own, the > >latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German speaking > >Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, spoke > >different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also German > >Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the various > >Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. > > > >The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the Netherlands, > >nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first applied to > >German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late eighteenth > >century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several theories > >exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a descendant of > >the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and sixteenth > >centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as Dutch > >regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. "Deutsche" > >is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have > >resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed to > >America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have lead to > >the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a > >regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor pidgin > >(a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). > > > > > >Q. Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? > >A. The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from > >the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the > >Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania German. > >Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the term > >Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning before 1800. > >The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but were a > >loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and > >confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into being in > >1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas before > >1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, > >Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more formal > >definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America from > >those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those that came > >after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just German > >immigrants. > > > ><!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, Swiss, > >Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. What > >makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in Philadelphia > >no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had begun) and > >lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, WV, or > >further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of > >Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German government or > >flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be Pennsylvanians and > >NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving after > >1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> > > > > > >Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? > > > >The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states and > >Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 people > >live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, family and > >community, and separation from the world. > >Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania Dutch are > >not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, > >particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, they > >are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly German > >background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or German). > >They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry > > > > > > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > >New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH > >are gladly advertised here. > > > > > >============================== > >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > The official webstie for this list is at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/~padutch/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >