I think I should have been reading all of this from the first. My Hughes family, probably coming in one of the Irish/Scot immigration waves in the 1700's to PA married German women. Bricker is one of the names that I know of. York/Mifflin Co. area. And another Hughes married a Martha, who was born in PA or Germany, but I don't know her last name. The names of the children have a Germanic sound to me - Jacob, Christiana, Barton.....seems to me to be a blend of the two peoples prominent in rural PA at that time. I've never heard the term Black German before, but I've heard Black Irish, which is what someone said that we were....

Very interesting messages this morning defining PA-Dutch ancestry. Much of this needed to be shared with other listers. These various messages give us more insight into why Philadelphia is known as the "Cradle of Liberty", a place where different religions and ancestry were accepted. The Quakers were a major group in early Philadelphia, along with the Germans and Welsh. There was much intermarriage and the early Germans in that area (Philadelphia and Chester Counties) made an effort to adopt the English ways, in speech, mannerisms, food, etc. Many of the early Mennonites to Philadelphia (1709) settled in what is now Montgomery county and Berks. The Lancaster County Mennonite groups arrived about 1740's, and they seem to have kept more to themselves - this last group is what is usually considered "Pa-Dutch" in today's world, probably because of the tourism industry which has developed in Lancaster County. About names - some clues to ancestry may lie in names. Usually if one finds a man or woman in early Pennsylvania with a double name it is most likely that is a Lutheran or Reformed family. The Mennonites seem to use only single names. The middle name is the name the person was known as, be it a man or woman. There are many nicknames also - perhaps someone will define some of those. Collins - Have you considered that HUGHES might be Welsh? Perhaps English, especially if your HUGHES family ancestors might have been from Southwest Wales - those peoples moved back and forth from England to Wales quite a bit. Not to be forgotten is the group of people in Germany recruited by Penn to settle in early Pennsylvania, but because of the political climate in England were held there (some being sent to Scotland and Ireland), and some others who finally sailed and landed in New York State instead - those Germans finally traveling down the Susquehanna River beginning in two waves in 1720's to settle what is known as the Tulpehocken area of Berks County, PA. They were called the "Schoharie Settlers" in NY - some of those fought in Queen Anne's War. I have a list of names of the Schoharie dorf residents if anyone wants a look-up. Elida, Researching STUTZMAN, STUTSMAN, WERI, WERY, WEHRY, WEARY, REDEBACH, SCHAEFFER, SHAFER, SCHNEIDER, SNYDER, STAUFFER, STAFFORD, POWELL, THOMAS, PARSELL, ULRICH, DIETRICH. My web page: www.angelfire.com/sc/elida ----- Original Message ----- From: <Collins30038@aol.com> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > I think I should have been reading all of this from the first. My Hughes > family, probably coming in one of the Irish/Scot immigration waves in the > 1700's to PA married German women. Bricker is one of the names that I know > of. York/Mifflin Co. area. And another Hughes married a Martha, who was born > in PA or Germany, but I don't know her last name. The names of the children > have a Germanic sound to me - Jacob, Christiana, Barton.....seems to me to be > a blend of the two peoples prominent in rural PA at that time. I've never > heard the term Black German before, but I've heard Black Irish, which is what > someone said that we were.... > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >