I think it is a short form of the name "Mary(Maria) Elisabeta." Maria Elisabetha Bortner was listed as Merriless Portner on ships records. Donna > Jim, Just a guess,"mere lass" , just a young girl? > > > >From: "Jim artz" <jartz@ns.gemlink.com> > >Reply-To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > >To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [PADutch] translation > >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:28:59 -0100 > > > > Hi Listers; > > Would anyone on this list know what it means when, the female on a ships > >passenger list is described as "Merrelass" or " Creedlass"? > > I'm thinking it has something to do with their age, or perhaps the fact > >that they were unmarried. I looked on several translation sites, got no > >help. > > thanks > > ceya > > Jim > > > > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > >Check out the Mid-Atlantic Roots Network at: > >http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > >============================== > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > The official webstie for this list is at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/~padutch/ > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

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Hi Listers; Would anyone on this list know what it means when, the female on a ships passenger list is described as "Merrelass" or " Creedlass"? I'm thinking it has something to do with their age, or perhaps the fact that they were unmarried. I looked on several translation sites, got no help. thanks ceya Jim

Hi Ahlive - a somewhat educated guess, a rather intricately constructed word: angegegene (something like that) - gone away, connotation more like taken away - I suspect it is a euphemism for the fact that he was dead at that point, but I am willing to be corrected by the more knowledgable. Especially if you know for a fact that he was alive. Jan AhliveOyl@aol.com wrote: > > Hello All: > > I recently pulled up some baptism records for an ancestor. They are in > German - my problem is that above the line listing the parents is something > like (forgive me for the spelling) - Der angeg(f)egene Vater?? I have gone to > 2 translation sites and, obviously, am not spelling it correctly so could not > get an answer. Could anyone be familiar with these type of records and > recognize what I am trying to spell or translate? Thank you very much - > Ahlive >

Hello All: I recently pulled up some baptism records for an ancestor. They are in German - my problem is that above the line listing the parents is something like (forgive me for the spelling) - Der angeg(f)egene Vater?? I have gone to 2 translation sites and, obviously, am not spelling it correctly so could not get an answer. Could anyone be familiar with these type of records and recognize what I am trying to spell or translate? Thank you very much - Ahlive

Sharon Thank you for all your looking! Diana

At 16.04.2001 14:01 -0700, you wrote: >Wow Sharon! >You have a wonderful resource there! BUT, I have one problem: >Maidenhead is in NJ and MaidenCreek is in Berks County! Could this be >the same family? You said that other children of Paulus Dirckse were >not known to have changed there names to HOFF. Does that include HUFF?!! >Is there anything on descendents of Derrick HOFF? Was your source for >this the same as the other HUFF information? My mistake. Thought I had found something. Color me red - I didn't check my own notes and mixed up the two. However, Paulus is the only Paulus who I can locate that could be the Paulus mentioned. As to the name change, only Derrick and his descendants took the name of Hoff, later spelled, by some, as Huff. Still using the same source, Hough and Huff Families by Granville W. Hough. >Another possible: Is there anything on Michael HOFF of Alsace who is >shown on the 1800 Census? Franz KERST owned property in Alsace when he >died, according to his will of 1765, when he mentioned his sister Mary >HUFF of Maidencreek. Maybe there is a connection there. Are there any >parents for Michael? He is not shown on the 1810 Census, so may have >died before then. Nothing more on Michael. Sharon

You can access an index of Berks County wills at the county's register of wills website at www.berksregofwills.com/search/ At 11:27 PM 4/15/01 -0500, you wrote: >Wow Sharon! >You have a wonderful resource there! BUT, I have one problem: >Maidenhead is in NJ and MaidenCreek is in Berks County! Could this be >the same family? You said that other children of Paulus Dirckse were >not known to have changed there names to HOFF. Does that include HUFF?!! >Is there anything on descendents of Derrick HOFF? Was your source for >this the same as the other HUFF information? > >Another possible: Is there anything on Michael HOFF of Alsace who is >shown on the 1800 Census? Franz KERST owned property in Alsace when he >died, according to his will of 1765, when he mentioned his sister Mary >HUFF of Maidencreek. Maybe there is a connection there. Are there any >parents for Michael? He is not shown on the 1810 Census, so may have >died before then. > >Does anyone have wills of Berks County who could look for Michael HOFF? > >I really appreciate your reponses of what you have before you! Thank >you so much for your searches! > >Diana in BIrmingham AL > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own? >Transcribed records get lots of appreciative readers. Or try a surname >query you haven't posted in a while. > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hi, I am looking for a MARY HUFF'S PARENTS. She was born March 27 1809 , I don't know where. She married John Fahs and they had 9 daughters and they lived in York Pa and both died here and are buried here. She died in Feb 1884. Thank You Sally Pomraning

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Wow Sharon! You have a wonderful resource there! BUT, I have one problem: Maidenhead is in NJ and MaidenCreek is in Berks County! Could this be the same family? You said that other children of Paulus Dirckse were not known to have changed there names to HOFF. Does that include HUFF?!! Is there anything on descendents of Derrick HOFF? Was your source for this the same as the other HUFF information? Another possible: Is there anything on Michael HOFF of Alsace who is shown on the 1800 Census? Franz KERST owned property in Alsace when he died, according to his will of 1765, when he mentioned his sister Mary HUFF of Maidencreek. Maybe there is a connection there. Are there any parents for Michael? He is not shown on the 1810 Census, so may have died before then. Does anyone have wills of Berks County who could look for Michael HOFF? I really appreciate your reponses of what you have before you! Thank you so much for your searches! Diana in BIrmingham AL

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Diana, I believe I found Paulus, and how his descendants came to Maidenhead. If this is the right emigrant ancestor you should be able to make the connection: "Paulus Dirckse migrated on the New Netherlands "Fortune", embarking from Amsterdam June 30, 1650 and reaching New Amsterdam (New York) Dec. 19, 1650. He settled under aegis of Baron van der Capelle, who owned Staten Island. After Indian Massacre, he fled to Fort Orange (Albany) where he must have lived some time because a 1657/58 deposition following the massacre showed he then lived at Fort Orange with wife, child, and servant. Wife was Gertie Willemse. By Christmas, 1662, he joined the Dutch Church in Brooklyn as being from Fort Orange. The child was possibly Derrick Pauluszen, who took the name Derrick Hoff when he removed to Maidenhead (Lawrenceville) NJ from Flushing about 1700. Other children of Paulus Dirckse are not known to have changed their names to Hoff." >Sharon, In a Reading Adler OBIT I found Frederick HUFF of Hereford, >Berks Co died at age 82 in 4/26/1816 making him born about 1734 and >agreeing with your dates. I don't know how far Hereford Twp is from >Maidencreek. Did John Frederick HUFF have any brothers? He actually >seems about the same age as Mary KERST HUFF would have been. He married >Susanna KEIM and had several children. Is there anything earlier for >his ancestors Paulus and wife Maria ELizabeth? Other children they >might have had? > >We are making some headway! > >Thanks for anything else on Daniel's parents or Frederick's siblings! > > >Diana

Diane, This is the rest of the information I found on this family in Berks Co.: 1800 Census Michael Hoff, 10010-00100 Jacob Hoff, 01101-00101 John Hoff, 10010-10010 Frederick Huff, 00101-01001 Probably no change in family heads since 1790. 1810 Census Herford Twp. Frederick Huff, Sr., 00001-00000 Frederick Huff, Jr., 20110-20010 George Huff, 11010-20100 Reading Twp. John Hoff, 20110-20010 Bern Twp. Hannah Hoff, 00100-00000 John Hoff, 00010-00100 Naxatawny Twp. Christian Hough, 00010-11100 --------- George(3), John Frederick(2), Paulus Hoff. George Huff of Herford Twp., who married Arina Moll had 14 children of whom the known are: -George Huff (1812-1858) md. Caroline Boyer (1817-1876) -Lydia md. James Bartram -Ester or Hettie md. Charles McNulty -Maria md. David Sassman It's not much, but I hope it helps. I didn't find any more on Paulus, Daniel or siblings. Sharon >Sharon, In a Reading Adler OBIT I found Frederick HUFF of Hereford, >Berks Co died at age 82 in 4/26/1816 making him born about 1734 and >agreeing with your dates. I don't know how far Hereford Twp is from >Maidencreek. Did John Frederick HUFF have any brothers? He actually >seems about the same age as Mary KERST HUFF would have been. He married >Susanna KEIM and had several children. Is there anything earlier for >his ancestors Paulus and wife Maria ELizabeth? Other children they >might have had? > >We are making some headway! > >Thanks for anything else on Daniel's parents or Frederick's siblings! >Diana

Well, Jeanne, the Daniel HUFF of Maidencreek on the 1820 Census certainly seems like a possible descendent of Mary KERST HUFF! Any idea who his parents were? My Mary KERST married a HUFF before 1/1765 (when her brother's will was made) so would have been born at least 20 years before then - probably in 1730-40's. Sharon, In a Reading Adler OBIT I found Frederick HUFF of Hereford, Berks Co died at age 82 in 4/26/1816 making him born about 1734 and agreeing with your dates. I don't know how far Hereford Twp is from Maidencreek. Did John Frederick HUFF have any brothers? He actually seems about the same age as Mary KERST HUFF would have been. He married Susanna KEIM and had several children. Is there anything earlier for his ancestors Paulus and wife Maria ELizabeth? Other children they might have had? We are making some headway! Thanks for anything else on Daniel's parents or Frederick's siblings! Diana Searching for SAVAGE/LANDIS/RITTER/MARCH/KERST/GELBACH/MOHR/NEUKIRCH/BERTOLET/DUGAN/JONES in Chester, Berks, and Montgomery Cos., PA http://community.webtv.net/audiana/DescendentsofJohann

I've seen it spelled almost every way imaginable including LASER, LASHER, LUSHER, LEZER, and LOESER. At 02:52 PM 4/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >In your research of LESHER, was the name every spelled LASER? > >Thanks. > >Kathleen Manley > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Welcome to our list! We are always friendly here. > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Mark, The information for Huff's in Montgomery County does seem to include anything more recent that 1810. Also, I didn't find anything in the 1880 Soundex. Here is what was listed for Montgomery Co.: "Montgomery Co., formed 1784 from Philadelphia, has county seat at Norristown. 1790 Census Mary Hufty 1-1-1-0-2 Charles Haff 1-1-0 Andrew Huff 1-3-3 Joseph Hough 1-1-2 1800 Census. Abington Twp., David Huffty, 00010-00000 Chittenham Twp., John Huff, no persons Limerick Twp., Charles Hoff, 00101-00100 Montgomery Twp., Silas Hough, 10010-00110 Frederick Twp., Michael Hoff, 11100-10100 Perkimen Twp., Charles Hoff, 00101-00100 Upper Dublin Twp., Jacob Houfe, 01010-70010 Springfield Twp., Henry Hoaf, 10010-00100 1810 Census: Ptsgervell, Eleanor Huff 00000-00010 Montgomery, Dr. Silas Hough 11010-01010" > Sharon, could you look up an Aaron Hoff, of Limerick (and possibly >Frederick and Douglass) Twps., in Montgomery Co., PA? He was the son of >Daniel Hoff and Elizabeth Freeby (Elizabeth was also married to John Smith), >and was born on 17 Feb 1822. Daniel Hoff and Elizabeth apparently had >another son, Ludwig (or Lewis), who was born in 1819. Could you see if this >family is mentioned in any of your books? > Thanks. > >Mark A. Connelly >MAC3387@aol.com > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Diane, Thank you very much for all the information on the Dugan and Jones! Diane, you mentioned Alsace Twp. and Berks Co. PA, so I looked at the material there. The Huff (Hoff) there, at least in the late 1700's appear to be primarily of German heritage, a few with Dutch. Here is what I found: "Berks County: Berks County formed 1752 from Bucks, Chester, Lancaster and Philadelphia counties, has county seat at Reading. 1743-46. Michel Hof, Jr. and Leonard Hof were members of Tulpehocken Lutheran Church. Some of this congregation had settled at Tulpehocken in 1728 from Schoharie, NY, where they had settled in 1713 from Germany. 1756. John Jacob Hoff (1739-1825) son of Peter Hoff, came from Holland in the ship "Polly". He settled at Reading, Berks Co., where in 1767 he married Anna Barbara Helier (1737-1803). They had John (1773-1818) who in 1795 md Catherine Bright. 1757. John Frederick Huff (1734-1816) son of Paulus and Maria Elizabeth Huff, in 1762 md Susanna Keim (1739-1809). They had six sons and eight daughters, of whom three sons are known: This family lived in Herford Twp. -Frederick Huff (1777-1854) md Barbara Fink -George Huff (1779-1845) md Arina Moll -Henry Huff (1781-1799) -(Possibly) Susanna Huff who md Abraham Mensch of Herford Twp. 1790 Census. Herford Twp., John Huff, 1-1-1 Herford Twp., Frederick Huff, 1-3-2 (Frederick Huff, son of John Frederick Huff, and Barbara Fink had four sons and three daughters. Sons were John, Reuben, Jonas, and Henry.) Alsace Twp., Michael Hoff, 1-1-1 Reading Borough, Jacob Hoff 3-1-3" If any of this looks promising, then I can give you the rest (through 1810) which includes some of the children of the above. Here is a bit more on the John Frederick Huff (1734-1816) mentioned above: "John Frederick von Hoof, b. 8 Jul 1734 in Berlin, migrated to Herford Township, Berks Co., PA before 1800 and settled with his wife Susanne Keim at a place later called "Huff's Church". Their children were Frederick, George, Henry, Susanna, and others not know. Their son George Hoof md Anna Kull, and this couple had a George Hoof, Jr. who changed the spelling of his name to Huff about 1840. This Huff family lived in western PA, where their son, George Franklin Huff, became a US Congressman about 1900 and developed legislation which resulted in the U.S. Bureau of Mines." >Well, Sharon > >Thank you for the interesting info about the name HUFF! And your offer >to look for any connection. > >I have a Mary KERST(GERST/KARST) variably spelled, that married a HUFF >and, in her brother Franz KERST's will of 1/1765; proved 10/1765, he >bequeaths her an equal share of his properties in Exeter and Alsace and >refers to her as my sister 'Mary HUFF of Maidencreek'. There is no >first name for her husband. I have scouted around in that area of >Berks Co and have not found much on HUFFs. Maybe you have something in >your book?!! The KERSTs were German, so I just assumed that HUFF was >German too! >As far as DUGAN and JONES, I have a little more information: >...............snip >Diana at audiana@webtv.net Hope some of this helps, Sharon

In your research of LESHER, was the name every spelled LASER? Thanks. Kathleen Manley

In my research on the Lesher family, I have come across some Hoff information: Aaron Hoff is listed in the 1850 PA census living in Limerick, Montgomery County. He's a farmer with real estate worth $950. Listed in his household are: Elizabeth, 29; Catherine, 3; Daniel, 1; Elizabeth Smith, 55; and Susan Smith, 9. Lewis Hoff and his household are living in Norristown in Montgomery County. As for Daniel Hoff: In the 1820 PA census, there are 2 Daniels, one living in Dauphin County and one in Berks County in Maidencreek. In the 1810 PA census, there are 2 Daniels (Jr. and Senior) living in York County and one Daniel living in Philadelphia County in Germantown. I'm trying to figure out where one of my ancestors, William Lesher (b. 1737), came from. He lived in Germantown and ran Lesher's tavern until his death in 1787. The earliest record I have of him is a marriage ceremony that he witnessed in 1758 where Reinhardt Hoff married Margaretha Lescherin on June 19, 1758 at Evangelical Lutheran Church, Phila. Witnesses to this marriage were: William Leschere, Cathrina Lescherin, Michael Schmaltz, and Heinrich Gottfried. I believe Margaretha is William Lesher's sister. But at this point this is only conjecture. Jeanne

Mark, I am very excited about this. This Hoff family is brand new to me. I had nothing further than the three names. Any light you can shed on this family would be more that welcome. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Yvonne Would UCC be United Church of Christ? What area would that be located in today? I do not live in the area.