Don't think there's a connection, Hal. Don't have much info on Clara yet, but she married and is buried in Wayne County Indiana. I'm searching a surname she married into, so i don't have any other Knauff info. Thanks for your response, though. I'll keep my eyes open for you. Connie ** Hi Connie, I don't have Clara Knauff, but there are a lot of missing links in my Knauff line. Here's what I have so far: First immigrant was Henry A. Knauff from Germany, m. Eleanor Van Dyke from Holland, traveled up the Susquehanna River to settle near what is now Lewisburg, PA. (Family lore, no dates) -----<gap>----- Dr. Harry Wilson Knauff, medical doctor and dentist, m. 2 Sept 1911 to Mary Wallace, 20 May 1890 - Sept 1974. Lived in Pittsburgh. practiced as Dr. Wilson from just prior to W.W.I to avoid the German name. Died in the influenza epidemic abt. 1919. - Myra Irene Knauff, 5 June, 1914 - 15 March, 1988 (my mother) - Virginia Knauff, 1 April, 1917 - 4 August, 1993 - Harry Wilson Knauff, private Myra, Virginia, and Harry were placed in an orphanage, and adopted by a Shaffer family who owned a farm near Zelionople, PA. Any connections??? Hal Stitt ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Looking for descendants of Hans Martin YEAGER b. 3 Mar 1698/99 Anspach, Usigen, Germany m. Maria Barbara Reichert 1720 New Hanover Lutheran Church Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, d. 2 July 1781. I am particularly interested in his son Johan Andrew Yeager and his son John P. Yeager as these are my direct line. I have some information from others but am seeking places to locate the proofs needed and more information on that branch of the family. Betty

Al and Margaret, I'm not positive how my family spelled Myers. This is the way my dads name was and several others in the family. Kelsall is ( my family) from England. He immg in 1905. That was an easy one. I don't know how long Myers was in this country, nor if they came from Germany. ( My belief and that of my family is that they did.) But, the name may be Myers in the USA for many years, I have no clues as to when. I am hoping someone will recognize her name NORMA MYERS and be able to tell me a great deal more about HER family. I'm sure you helped out many people that didn't know there was more than one spelling. Thanks Doris

Have you tried looking for Jacob LAGER? That's German for the word camp. MANY Pennsylvanians had their German names converted to English by English census takers. My SCHNEIDER went to SNYDER, my WERI went to WEARY, etc. ZIMMERMAN went to CARPENTER. Elida in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Camp" <rita_camp@hotmail.com> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: [PADutch] Camp or Kaempf--Ideas? > We are looking for our original spelling. Our great great grandfather, > Jacob Camp, was born in Westmoreland County, PA on 11 August 1829, and moved > to Ohio with his parents as an infant. Original spelling was something like > Kaempf. Any ideas would be appreciated! > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Have you written that story down from your grandmother's childhood? > Do it now so that others may know of her when she is gone. Keep the > PADUTCH traditions alive! > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

The following link is for the official HFFA (Heinrich Frey Family Association) web page. It has the first 5 generations of all that are known. If anyone, has more we would be interested in sharing information with you. We welcome all descendants of Heinrich Frey. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~twiggins/ Lynn lynnv2@ont.com

Johann Philip Schriedt (spelled Philip Schried on another list) arrived on the Ship Friendship from Amsterdam on Oct. 21, 1754. Does anyone know anything about his family? Any information will be sincerely appreciated! Janell

Do you have the names of the ll children? I am looking for a Jacob born 1796. Janell ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Kehler" <budkeh@webtv.net> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: [PADutch] SCHWEITZER > Am looking for information on Susanna Schweitzer (parents, siblings, > ancestors) born 1790, died 1870, buried St.John's Church, Leck Kill, PA. > She married Abraham Schneider and they lived Greenbriar vicinity, > Northumberland Co., PA. They had eleven children. > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > The official webstie for this list is at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/~padutch/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Lynn- Thanks, but I'm not descended from this line of Freys. Steve Fry. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Vitasek <lynnv2@ont.com> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: [PADutch] Frey/Fry/Frye > The following link is for the official HFFA (Heinrich Frey Family Association) web > page. It has the first 5 generations of all that are known. If anyone, has more we > would be interested in sharing information with you. We welcome all descendants of > Heinrich Frey. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~twiggins/ > > Lynn lynnv2@ont.com > > > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Welcome to our list! We are always friendly here. > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

I am another Newbie to this list. I thought I'd start with a question, as well as listing my lines: My lines are as follows Helfer CRAMER b 1753 in York, PA m Henrietta Sophia NEUDIG b 1761 Montgomery, PA. Their son, John (Johannes) CRAMER married Catharina SCHLOTT in York County in 1816. She was the daughter of Adam SCHLOTT b 1761 in Hesse Cassel and Anna Maria Catharina HOLDER b 1767 in York, PA. John and Catharina CRAMER moved to Seneca County, Ohio, where in 1861 their daughter Sarah Ann CRAMER married Augustus ELLIOTT (born in Virginia). Sarah and Augustus moved to Ionia County, Michigan. The CRAMER line has been well researched, and I have much information. All I have on the other lines are names and dates of the internet, none of which I've proven. I'd be glad to share the CRAMER information I have, and would love to hear more about the NEUDIG's, SCHLOTT's, and HOLDER's. My question: Is HOLDER the Anglicization of a German name? If so, what might that German name be? I understand the meaning of the English surname HOLDER is "landowner/holder" Thanks, Melinda McLemore Strong in Texas

Fran- there is a Mowry family website at myfamily.com. Don Mowry is a distant cuz of mine. Daniel Mowry (6 May 1775, Lamar Twp- 12 June 1858, Jackson Twp, fremont Co, Ohio) married "Marie" Frey, (28 Feb 1781, Berks Co, PA- 3 Jun 1847, Jackson Twp). They had 11 kids, some in PA, rest in Ohio. Marie was the 7th child of Jacob Frey, my g-g-g-g-grandfather. He was born 28 Mar 1744 in we think, Bucks Co, PA. Steve Fry. ----- Original Message ----- From: fran ash <grammybelle7@yahoo.com> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: [PADutch] Mowery's > Looking for any of the Mowery's that could be in the > area. Most moved to Ohio, but I amsure some stayed > behind in Lancaster Co. in the late 1770's into the > 1880's. Would be willing to look up Bloseer's, > berger's, Beery's or any other name in the Tama/Grundy > Co. area in Iowa. Fran > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Have you written that story down from your grandmother's childhood? > Do it now so that others may know of her when she is gone. Keep the > PADUTCH traditions alive! > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I have a question for everyone. My maiden name is MOOMEY. I was told this was a German name. Who,What,Where and how would I find this out for sure. Like every other name is has been spelled many different ways. Thanks to all. Avie

Try posting a query to SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com They are very helpful. Melinda -----Original Message----- From: Crochetwitch@aol.com [mailto:Crochetwitch@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:41 AM To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PADutch] MOOMEY I have a question for everyone. My maiden name is MOOMEY. I was told this was a German name. Who,What,Where and how would I find this out for sure. Like every other name is has been spelled many different ways. Thanks to all. Avie ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== You have a friend in Pennsylvania... ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Looking for any of the Mowery's that could be in the area. Most moved to Ohio, but I amsure some stayed behind in Lancaster Co. in the late 1770's into the 1880's. Would be willing to look up Bloseer's, berger's, Beery's or any other name in the Tama/Grundy Co. area in Iowa. Fran __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

Hi Connie, I don't have Clara Knauff, but there are a lot of missing links in my Knauff line. Here's what I have so far: First immigrant was Henry A. Knauff from Germany, m. Eleanor Van Dyke from Holland, traveled up the Susquehanna River to settle near what is now Lewisburg, PA. (Family lore, no dates) -----<gap>----- Dr. Harry Wilson Knauff, medical doctor and dentist, m. 2 Sept 1911 to Mary Wallace, 20 May 1890 - Sept 1974. Lived in Pittsburgh. practiced as Dr. Wilson from just prior to W.W.I to avoid the German name. Died in the influenza epidemic abt. 1919. - Myra Irene Knauff, 5 June, 1914 - 15 March, 1988 (my mother) - Virginia Knauff, 1 April, 1917 - 4 August, 1993 - Harry Wilson Knauff, private Myra, Virginia, and Harry were placed in an orphanage, and adopted by a Shaffer family who owned a farm near Zelionople, PA. Any connections??? Hal Stitt KNAUFF/WALLACE/WALLIS ----- Original Message ----- From: "connie bartlett" <cdbartlett@juno.com> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 3:28 AM Subject: [PADutch] Camp or Kaempf--Ideas? > I see on Hal's surname list, Knauff....is there a Clara Knauff in your > group? Married to Adam Bortsfield? > > Thanx > Connie Bortsfield Bartlett > > > On Wed, 16 May 2001 19:25:38 -0700 "Hal Stitt" > <hal@deltanet-consultants.com> writes: > > A very likely candidate would be Kämpf. > > > > Hal Stitt > > STITT/KNAUFF/WALLACE/WALLIS > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH > are gladly advertised here. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > >

While we are new to this site, we have noticed an immediate mistake that is being made in peoples search for their German ancestors. The original German surnames have been anglesized and need to be put back in their original form. Examples: SHANE = Schoen SHENK = Schenck MYERS = either Meyer or Maier or Mayer KELSALL = most likely Keltzel Margaret's Generation No. 4. JOHN 1 would have been Johann or Johannes (John is strictly English and not German) What you have to remember when these people arrived in Philadelphia the immigration officials were English and wrote down what they thought the name the heard should be spelled like. We may be wrong, so just ignore this posting. Al and Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <newhere2@webtv.net> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:39 AM Subject: [PADutch] MYERS > Margaret, > I have been searching for info on NORMA EMILY MYERS. I know she > married JOHN SHANE,know one knows what happened to him. > Then she married JAKE BUCHANAN. This is the grftr my dad remembered. > My grdmtr was born in York, Pa. 1887 so I assume they lived close to > there, although I have not found any SHANE that did. > JOHN and NORMA child: > Bertha m. John KELSALL > Maurice ? > Nellie ? > Mabel ? > Elizabeth b. 7-26-1887, d. 4-30-1974 in Media > m. Herbert George KELSALL ( broth to John) > > Not sure if mother was Norma, but Jake had 2 daut. Martha m. Bill > STRONG > Gladys m. Gus TAUBER > Don't know who Norma's parents were. any help out there? > Thanks. Doris > > Margaret wrote: <snip> > Generation No. 4 > 4. MARY B.4 SHENK (ANDREW3, MICHAEL2, JOHN1) was born October 12, 1799, > and died March 21, 1879 in Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania. She married > SOCRATES MYERS 1815 in Conestoga Twp., Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania, son > of MICHAEL MYERS and MARY. He was born June 09, 1791 in Conestoga Twp., > Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, and died June 08, 1836 in Lancaster Twp., > Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania. > (I need the rest of > their children. You would think I'd be able to find a name like Socrates > as a parent!) > Child of MARY SHENK and SOCRATES MYERS is: > i. MARTHA5 > MYERS, b. June 16, 1818; d. November 15, 1884; m. JOHN PARMER; b. > January 17, 1817; d. December 11, 1899. Both buried Mellinger's > Mennonite Cemetery, Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Welcome to our list! We are always friendly here. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Shirley, There were several Fox families in Bucks County just north of Philadelphia. You might want to try there. The ones I know were in Warrington. They had been there many years. There is a Bucks County web page with lots of nice people who will help. Hope this helps you Jane --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/01

I understand there is a Clemmer Association. I would like more info. The Clemmers go back to Bishop Valentine Clemmer who arrived at Great Swamp in 1712. The Clemmers are an old name in Montgomery County , Bucks and Berks Co. Another branch went South. They are Reformed, the Clemmer that stayed in the above counties are for the must part Mennonites-Schwenkfelders. Leon Clemmer leon234@aol.com

Margaret, I have been searching for info on NORMA EMILY MYERS. I know she married JOHN SHANE,know one knows what happened to him. Then she married JAKE BUCHANAN. This is the grftr my dad remembered. My grdmtr was born in York, Pa. 1887 so I assume they lived close to there, although I have not found any SHANE that did. JOHN and NORMA child: Bertha m. John KELSALL Maurice ? Nellie ? Mabel ? Elizabeth b. 7-26-1887, d. 4-30-1974 in Media m. Herbert George KELSALL ( broth to John) Not sure if mother was Norma, but Jake had 2 daut. Martha m. Bill STRONG Gladys m. Gus TAUBER Don't know who Norma's parents were. any help out there? Thanks. Doris Margaret wrote: <snip> Generation No. 4 4. MARY B.4 SHENK (ANDREW3, MICHAEL2, JOHN1) was born October 12, 1799, and died March 21, 1879 in Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania. She married SOCRATES MYERS 1815 in Conestoga Twp., Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania, son of MICHAEL MYERS and MARY. He was born June 09, 1791 in Conestoga Twp., Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, and died June 08, 1836 in Lancaster Twp., Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania.                 (I need the rest of their children. You would think I'd be able to find a name like Socrates as a parent!) Child of MARY SHENK and SOCRATES MYERS is:                 i.     MARTHA5 MYERS, b. June 16, 1818; d. November 15, 1884; m. JOHN PARMER; b. January 17, 1817; d. December 11, 1899. Both buried Mellinger's Mennonite Cemetery, Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania

Looking for any info on the Bortsfield/Bortzfield/Botsfield/Bertzfield name. Specifically stuck at George, b about 1790 in Lancaster County, moved to Wayne County Indiana, left or died after 1860. Had children Christian, Christianna (or Christina) and Martha. Any other other info on that name would be great. Thanks Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I see on Hal's surname list, Knauff....is there a Clara Knauff in your group? Married to Adam Bortsfield? Thanx Connie Bortsfield Bartlett On Wed, 16 May 2001 19:25:38 -0700 "Hal Stitt" <hal@deltanet-consultants.com> writes: > A very likely candidate would be Kämpf. > > Hal Stitt > STITT/KNAUFF/WALLACE/WALLIS ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.