Betty Blair wrote: > Many of the peoples classified as PA Dutch were not German. > The boundaries of countries in Europe changed many times and the > region known as the Palatine, from which many PA Dutch families > came, included parts of Austria, Switzerland, France and so on. > Many people from other areas had already settled in the Chester and > Lancaster County areas; they settled here and intermarried, lived > the same way, spoke PA Dutch and were PA Dutch, also. PA > Dutch is a blending of all of these cultures, not just the Germans. > > -----Original Message----- > From: leon234@aol.com <leon234@aol.com> > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [PADutch] 1778 Oath of Allegiance > > >Then he was not " Penna-Dutch" > > > > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > >The official webstie for this list is at: > >http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/~padutch/ > > > > > >============================== > >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > >your heritage! > >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > The official webstie for this list is at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/~padutch/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp please add to the list of blending of nationalities in pa.dutch country- american indian. believe it or not . -- Deborah L. Fox from,N.E.Phila,Pa to Fairfax,Va.to Front Royal,Va. GENEALOGY & RESEARCH LINKS-UPDATED MAY 25,2001 http://sites.netscape.net/INVESTIGATORFOX/homepage updated and revised added gedcom MAY 27,2001 ALSO SEARCH WITH GOOGLE AND PICO ON SITE FOR FREE GROCERIES-COUPONS http://www.valupage.com/Entry.pst?From=AFF002909

Thanks for posting this information! It's very interesting and I'm sure all on the list will benefit from it. Jan Lund ----- Original Message ----- From: <MarkleVon@aol.com> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were Lutherans. German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their own, the latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German speaking Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, spoke different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also German Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the various Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the Netherlands, nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first applied to German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late eighteenth century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several theories exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a descendant of the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as Dutch regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. "Deutsche" is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed to America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have lead to the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor pidgin (a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). Q. Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? A. The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania German. Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the term Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning before 1800. The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but were a loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into being in 1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas before 1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more formal definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America from those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those that came after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just German immigrants. <!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, Swiss, Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. What makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in Philadelphia no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had begun) and lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, WV, or further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German government or flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be Pennsylvanians and NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving after 1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states and Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 people live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, family and community, and separation from the world. Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania Dutch are not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, they are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly German background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or German). They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry

Right, and even the Scots members of my family (who settled in the Lancaster County area of PA about 1742) spoke PA Dutch and English or PA Dutch as their "native" language. Many of the children only learned English when they attended school. This was until about 1920 - 1940's when their children were being ridiculed in school as the "dumb Dutchies/Dutchmen", even by some teachers, so parents taught their children English at home instead of PA Dutch. -----Original Message----- From: MarkleVon@aol.com <MarkleVon@aol.com> To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > > > > > >PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: >Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were Lutherans. >German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their own, the >latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German speaking >Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, spoke >different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also German >Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the various >Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. > >The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the Netherlands, >nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first applied to >German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late eighteenth >century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several theories >exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a descendant of >the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and sixteenth >centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as Dutch >regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. "Deutsche" >is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have >resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed to >America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have lead to >the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a >regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor pidgin >(a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). > > >Q. Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? >A. The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from >the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the >Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania German. >Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the term >Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning before 1800. >The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but were a >loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and >confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into being in >1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas before >1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, >Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more formal >definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America from >those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those that came >after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just German >immigrants. > ><!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, Swiss, >Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. What >makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in Philadelphia >no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had begun) and >lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, WV, or >further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of >Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German government or >flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be Pennsylvanians and >NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving after >1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> > > >Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? > >The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states and >Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 people >live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, family and >community, and separation from the world. >Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania Dutch are >not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, >particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, they >are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly German >background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or German). >They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry > > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH >are gladly advertised here. > > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Swedish, Welsh, Irish, and Scotch had many settlers here before many of the Germans and are PA Dutch as much as the Germans. Germans may have been the biggest group but they were far from the only group in the area and there are parts of all their cultures in the PA Dutch lifestyle from their food to their building techniques. -----Original Message----- From: leon234@aol.com <leon234@aol.com> To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] 1778 Oath of Allegiance >But not Scotch Irish > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. > > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were Lutherans. German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their own, the latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German speaking Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, spoke different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also German Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the various Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the Netherlands, nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first applied to German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late eighteenth century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several theories exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a descendant of the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as Dutch regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. "Deutsche" is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed to America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have lead to the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor pidgin (a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). Q.     Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? A.      The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania German. Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the term Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning before 1800. The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but were a loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into being in 1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas before 1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more formal definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America from those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those that came after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just German immigrants. <!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, Swiss, Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. What makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in Philadelphia no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had begun) and lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, WV, or further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German government or flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be Pennsylvanians and NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving after 1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states and Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 people live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, family and community, and separation from the world. Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania Dutch are not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, they are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly German background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or German). They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry

I was told that our family were members of the PA Dutch/Deutch Society. I was also told that our family was involved in witchcraft. Where would I look to be able to prove disprove this information. Books, information available for inter library loan etc. Thanks MiMi

Many of the peoples classified as PA Dutch were not German. The boundaries of countries in Europe changed many times and the region known as the Palatine, from which many PA Dutch families came, included parts of Austria, Switzerland, France and so on. Many people from other areas had already settled in the Chester and Lancaster County areas; they settled here and intermarried, lived the same way, spoke PA Dutch and were PA Dutch, also. PA Dutch is a blending of all of these cultures, not just the Germans. -----Original Message----- From: leon234@aol.com <leon234@aol.com> To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] 1778 Oath of Allegiance >Then he was not " Penna-Dutch" > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >The official webstie for this list is at: >http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/~padutch/ > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

But not Scotch Irish

Pastorious, Rittenhouse etc where the earliest, in fact they set up the Mennonite Church in Germantown in 1690 and petitioned the Mennonite Church of the Netherlands to send a Bishop to America. They sent Bishop Felte Clemmer to America in 1712. The Bishop lived and worked in the "Great Swamp"Meeting in upper Montgomery County. They were really " Penna-Dutch" not scotch-irish. Leon Clemmer

I have often heard this term by many folks, saying that they were black dutch. Does anyone know what Black Dutch is? Eva Marie Rogers

Does anyone know, during the first 150 years of Pennsylvania, what percentage of the Penna-Dutch were Mennonite, Amish, or Dunker compared to those Penna-Dutch who were Lutherans or Reformed? I think the first Penna-Dutch arrived in Philadelphia with Pastorius before 1700. Thanks, Elida in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Root" <broot@voyager.net> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] 1778 Oath of Allegiance > So did the German Lutherans. Not all the people classified as Pennsylvania > Dutch were Mennonite or Amish. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty Blair" <blair8535@nbn.net> > To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [PADutch] 1778 Oath of Allegiance > > > > Scotch-Irish coming into Lancaster did. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: leon234@aol.com <leon234@aol.com> > > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [PADutch] 1778 Oath of Allegiance > > > > > > >Mennonites (Amish) did NOT swear allegiance to" Put no idols before Me ," > > >their allegiance was to GOD not to Kings. > > > > > >Leon > > > > > > > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > > >Have you written that story down from your grandmother's childhood? > > >Do it now so that others may know of her when she is gone. Keep the > > >PADUTCH traditions alive! > > > > > > > > >============================== > > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > > You have a friend in Pennsylvania... > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > You have a friend in Pennsylvania... > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

True.........no Scotch-Irish were "Dutch".....they may have been Luthern, but not"Dutch"

Then he was not " Penna-Dutch"

Scotch-Irish coming into Lancaster did. -----Original Message----- From: leon234@aol.com <leon234@aol.com> To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] 1778 Oath of Allegiance >Mennonites (Amish) did NOT swear allegiance to" Put no idols before Me ," >their allegiance was to GOD not to Kings. > >Leon > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Have you written that story down from your grandmother's childhood? >Do it now so that others may know of her when she is gone. Keep the >PADUTCH traditions alive! > > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

I have seen various explinations over the past 2 years. It boils down to the fact that no one really knows. Here are three things I believe about the term. 1) They were German descent 2) They wern't black 3) They called themeselves Black Dutch Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Marie Rogers" <evamarie@htcomp.net> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: [PADutch] Black Dutch > I have often heard this term by many folks, saying that they were black dutch. Does anyone know what Black Dutch is? > > Eva Marie Rogers > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH > are gladly advertised here. > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

The following e-mail is of great interest to me. I have a problem with my ggrandmothers name. Also I have met a gentleman that has the same problem with a female in his tree. Both used the name Palmer when they were married for the first time but gave the name McFarland as their maiden name when they had children. My Armenia also was listed as Mary. I am most interested in the specifics of the tradition of a German girl being given their mothers name plus one of their own usually a godmother. Are we talking about first names and last names? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <MarkleVon@aol.com> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: [PADutch] Definitions of Pa. Dutch culled from the web > > > > > > PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH: > Do not look for them in Dutch records. They are Germans and were Lutherans. > German girls were often given their mother's name plus one of their own, the > latter usually a godmother. Pennsylvania Dutch were also German speaking > Swiss and some French Huguenot. The Germans and Swiss, even then, spoke > different dialects of German. They were not only Lutherans, but also German > Reformed, and pietists such as Moravians, Mennonites, Amish, and the various > Brethren groups, including the ones known as Dunkers. > > The term "Pennsylvania Dutch," refers not to immigrants from the Netherlands, > nor the native tongue of Holland. Instead, the phrase was first applied to > German-speaking Deutschlanders who arrived from Europe in the late eighteenth > century and settled in Southeastern Pennsylvania counties. Several theories > exist on the accepted definition of "Pennsylvania Dutch" as a descendant of > the original German settlers in Pennsylvania. In the fifteenth and sixteenth > centuries, the English referred to all people of germanic heritage as Dutch > regardless of whether they came from the Netherlands or Germany. "Deutsche" > is the German word for German, and a linguistic corruption could have > resulted in the designation. Moreover, most German immigrants sailed to > America from Dutch ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, which may have lead to > the confusion. Language spoken by these Pennsylvanians is a dialect (a > regional variety) of German, and is not a broken form of German, nor pidgin > (a simplified speech) or creole (a language evolved from pidgin). > > > Q. Who are the Pennsylvania Dutch? > A. The Pennsylvania Dutch are not even Dutch at all. They are not from > the country that we know today as the Netherlands. Some say that the > Pennsylvania Dutch should be more properly known as Pennsylvania German. > Deutsch means German and the early English in America corrupted the term > Deutsch to Dutch. The term German though had a different meaning before 1800. > The Germans were not members of a formal country at that time, but were a > loose collection of principalities, free cities, protectorates and > confederations. The country that we know today as Germany came into being in > 1848 with the unification process starting around 1800. German areas before > 1800 included areas that are now part of Poland, the Czech Republic, > Switzerland, Russia, France and other areas as well as Germany. A more formal > definition of Pennsylvania Dutch then are those that came to America from > those areas where the German language was spoken before 1800. Those that came > after 1800 are usually referred to as Pennsylvania Germans or just German > immigrants. > > <!--StartFragment-->"Pennsylvania Dutchmen can be either German, Swiss, > Alsatian, or even Holland Dutchmen , and they can live most anywhere. What > makes them Pennsylvania Dutch is the fact that they arrived in Philadelphia > no later than 1808 (which is when the unification of Germany had begun) and > lived for a time in Pennsylvania before moving on--usually to MD, VA, WV, or > further south, or to the midwest. Before 1808 any arriving European of > Germanic language and culture bore no allegiance to a German government or > flag--only to a culture. They considered themselves to be Pennsylvanians and > NOT Germans--but they did call themselves Deutschmen! People arriving after > 1808 are more correctly called German-Americans." <!--EndFragment--> > > > Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch? > > The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states and > Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 people > live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, family and > community, and separation from the world. > Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania Dutch are > not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, > particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, they > are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly German > background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or German). > They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry > > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH > are gladly advertised here. > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

So did the German Lutherans. Not all the people classified as Pennsylvania Dutch were Mennonite or Amish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Blair" <blair8535@nbn.net> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [PADutch] 1778 Oath of Allegiance > Scotch-Irish coming into Lancaster did. > > -----Original Message----- > From: leon234@aol.com <leon234@aol.com> > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [PADutch] 1778 Oath of Allegiance > > > >Mennonites (Amish) did NOT swear allegiance to" Put no idols before Me ," > >their allegiance was to GOD not to Kings. > > > >Leon > > > > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > >Have you written that story down from your grandmother's childhood? > >Do it now so that others may know of her when she is gone. Keep the > >PADUTCH traditions alive! > > > > > >============================== > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > You have a friend in Pennsylvania... > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Mennonites (Amish) did NOT swear allegiance to" Put no idols before Me ," their allegiance was to GOD not to Kings. Leon

I found a John Blair swore allegiance to the king in Lancaster in 1778 before Justice of the Peace Jacob Cook. Would there be any records of this other than the list in the will abstracts book and if so, where would I find it? Would these records be at the Lancaster County Courthouse archives? Thanks for any info. Betty Blair

Good information--Thanks. Our Klums have been arguing over the Deutsch or Dutch ancestry for some time. Have been told the early immigrants were "patroons." Am still looking for ancestors and descendancy of William and Jacob Clum/Klum b. VT, 1795 and 1797. Pat Hart Klum