I have heard of an Oriental version of pickled eggs - they even had special jars in which to store and age them. Sandra bigband@oceana.net

<fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger>There several upcoming conferences that might be of interest to list members: 1. Harrisburg Area Community College is sponsoring a seminar on the American Revolutionary War, Saturday morning, September 20, at one of its Harrisburg campuses (next to the Farm Show Building). For brochure and registration, contact the Professional and Adult Education Center; 717-780-2587. Cost is $24. 2. Palatines to America - PA Chapter will hold its fall conference on Saturday, September 20, at Yoder's Conference Center in New Holland (near Lancaster). Registration starts at 8 a.m. and the conference is over at 4 p.m. Lunch is included in the registration fee of $18. Mr. Henning Schroder will discuss German vital records, German church books and German State Archives Records and Ms. Sharon Odgen will look at a woman's life in the 1800s. For more information contact Shirley Nystrom at 610-917-0778 or David Hively at 717-244-7358. There is also a spring conference. 3. The 19th Annual Family History Conference is scheduled for October 30 to November 1 at the Holiday Inn/Lancaster Host Hotel and Conference Center. The event is co-sponsored by the Lancaster Historical Society and the Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society. Several optional tours are available - a research trip to Washington, DC (National Archives or Library of Congress) on Thursday and a trip for Chester County research on Friday. A number of workshop sessions will be available on Saturday - including topics such as getting started online, using Fraktur, cemetery preservation, evaluating evidence, changing borders, and more. Keynote speaker on Saturday is Dr. Arlene Eakle, president of the Genealogical Institute in Salt Lake City, who will look at American migration patterns. A Friday night banquet will feature a slide-illustrated lecture on Pennsylvania as a melting pot. Cost varies depending on the events - workshop sessions, Friday banquet, research trips. For additional information, contact the Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society at 717-393-9745 (phone) or 717-393-8751 (fax). I have attended a HACC conference on the Civil War, several PALAM conferences at Yoder's and at least one of the Family History Conferences (including the trip to the National Archives). I can recommend all of them highly. </bigger></fontfamily>

I use an even simpler version of this recipe - what I call the 1-1-1-1 recipe: 1 cup sugar 1 cup vinegar 1 can sliced red beets with juice 1 dozen hard boiled, peeled eggs Heat the liquid til the sugar is dissolved; no need to heat to boiling. I heat it with the eggs in it so they get a start on turning red, rotating them with a spoon. Let cool, put in a jar - or something that won't stain with the red coloring, and put in the regrigerator for a minimum of three days so the egg is colored all the way through and tastes of the beet/vinegar/sugar mixture. Since the mixture is pickled, the eggs will stay in the refrigerator for a number of weeks. You can use fresh beets too. Yummmm. One way to eat them - spread butter/oleo on bread, add mayonnaise and lettuce, slice an egg or two and eat away. Best, of course, with birch beer and topped off with a Tastycake butterscotch krimpet. Did you know the butterscotch krimpet is 70 years old? And just as tasty as ever. Happy hunting. Joan Bretz

I find it hard to believe that pickled eggs are ethnic. My mother and father were both born in Shamokin, but my mom's two eldest brothers were born in England, as were her parents. My father is Pa. Dutch. We moved to Phila. when I was two and lived in a Polish Catholic neighborhood. I had apple butter and pickled eggs and kielbasi and krustickies ( excuse the spelling) I didn'ty think much of it

Hi folks... I just had a conversation with my neighbors, who are of PD extraction, and the topic (naturally) turned to food. The question raised is this, and I'm presenting it to you, as I am confident that one of you (if not all who read this) may just know the answer.... which is , why is a veal dish that is topped with an egg, called "veiner schnitzel MIT HOLSTEIN?" We've also enjoyed "beef tartare mit holstein"..... We searched through a dictionary, but could not come up with a plausible answer. Can anyone help? (And... please excuse the off-topic post) Thanks for your help Louise Hudson

I went in for an eye exam yesterday and got to discussing genetic diseases after he asked the usual questions about glocouma, etc. I mentioned that there was some interest in some people in the genealogy groups about tracing medical histories. He then told me that his father had died recently and they had done an autopsy in an attempt to find out why ALL his siblings had contracted an alzhimers (spelling??) like disease. All of them had contracted it between the ages of 74 and 76 and there is now some speculation that it may have come as the result of having been exposed to a flu when they were very young. Their mother and youngest sibling had died in "the epidemic" (I don't know which one.) Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? And while we are on the subject, how does one go about getting medical records of ancestors? I have tried to get some information from my inlaws -- and it isn't easy. I have tried asking, begging, pleading, and I get bits and pieces. It reminds me of the old jokes about "no, nothing happened while you were gone...cept the dog died...got run over by the fire truck...trying to put out the fire in the barn...started by sparks from the house..." My husband has been having severe pain in his neck and shoulder. The doctor wanted to know if anything like this ran in the family. I called my father-in-law. He said, "No, to the best of my knowledge it doesn't run in the family. Except for the time I had the frozen shoulder. But that went away after some physical therapy. And my mother was in severe pain in her back for the last few years of her life, but I don't think that would have anything to do with it. And then Katherine (my husband's mother) did have a lot of trouble with stiffness in her back and some bone spurs, but that doesn't really sound like the same kind of problem he's having now. So, no, I guess it probably isn't genetic." Later in the discussion I mentioned talking to one of my great aunts and finding out that macular degeneration (spelling??) runs in one line of my family. This can lead to blindness in the forties in some members of the family. He said, "Yes, but sometimes it doesn't get too bad. I've had it for several years now and I can still see fine. Of course, my mother was almost totally blind and deaf when she died in her 80s. But they said it was glocouma. . . ." I started to wonder about making a chart like they use in Doctor's offices -- the kind I hate to fill out. But I wonder how successful I would be in getting information even with that. Any suggestions? Barbara Elizabeth Harris wrote: > > >I, too, lost relatives in 1917-8 Flu epidemic in NC. My grandmother and my > >uncle (age 19) died. It was a severe strain and they had very little > >medication. I may be wrong, but I believe that this strain was brought to > >the US by the returning GI's from WWI. > >> > >Good Searching - Good Finding - Good Luck! > >David Huffines > >Searching Hofheintz/Huffines/Huffhines/Hoffein/et.al. > >and Williamson, Wakefield, Underwood, Paisley, Sikes, Lipscomb > > When I'm not doing genealogy, sometimes I teach microbiology. Last spring > I did a freshman seminar called Microbial Disease and Human Society, which > covered everything from the Black Death to AIDS and a lot more, including > the 1918 flu. David's right, GIs returning from Europe played a > substantial role in spreading the flu throughout the U.S. and Canada. > Recent thinking however is that the epidemic actually began in the U.S., > not Spain as was originally supposed, was carried over to Europe by a few > troop ships, and then spread there before it returned to the U.S. in full > force. > > I turned up a couple of interesting web sites for my students that you > might enjoy also: > > http://www.webcom.com/~fuzzy/flu.html > > the story of Poker Alice in Deadwood SD; I actually learned about this one > through a genealogy connection! > > http://www.seattletimes.com/education/centennial/march/photo/flu.html > > a photograph of people in Seattle in 1918, wearing masks to protect against > flu exposure > > I also strongly recommend the following book: > > Collier, Richard, The Plague of the Spanish Lady: the Influenza Pandemic of > 1918-1919. Macmillan, 1974. > > This is very readable, and fascinating. > > Elizabeth Harris > chlamy@acpub.duke.edu

Brent E. Coy wrote: > > I joined the mailing list specifically to ask a question of all you > German orthographers, but I'm enjoying it immensely--from pickled eggs > to Poker Alice. > > I'm reseaching a family that was recorded as "COW" by the English > speaking clerks. They settled in the Cumberland Valley. Some were > Evangelical Lutherans of the Conococheague District; others were German > Baptist Brethern. Any thoughts on what the original German name could > have been and why the name eventually evolved into "COY"? There's no > sense in searching on "COW". It brings up everyone who ever left his > widow a cow, which is practically everyone! > Bonnie Coy (searching for COW and linked families WELBAUM, HOFFMAN > and GRISAMER) When I lived in Germany about 20 years ago, I had many German friends who spoke English. They told me that when they were learning English in their versions of High School and later in University, they had great trouble with the English "W", which doesn't appear in High German. I didn't have any problems with pronouncing the German "V" as a soft "F", but they pronounced the English "V" as "W", i.e. "Walley" for "Valley". Is there anyone who can explain this difficulty? -- Arthur D. Cloninger Computer Network/Laboratory Supervisor Fort Gay Middle School PO Box 460, Court and Vancouver Streets Fort Gay, WV 25514 Phone: 304.648.5404 E-mail addresses: acloning@access.k12.wv.us FGMS Homepage: http://www.ianet.net/~acloning/homepage.html

Hi, Group I can tell of one effect of the flu epidemic as it affected my late father. He was barely too young to be drafted for WWI service, but caught the flu in Kansas. He said several times that his hair turned white and then all fell out. He survived and his hair came back. Vic On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Nadine Hensley wrote: > Right the soldiers brought it back with them. > The death toll world wide was high. > I wonder just the effect was on all those people. > > nadine > On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:47:02 -0500, you wrote: > > >I, too, lost relatives in 1917-8 Flu epidemic in NC. My grandmother and my > >uncle (age 19) died. It was a severe strain and they had very little > >medication. I may be wrong, but I believe that this strain was brought to > >the US by the returning GI's from WWI. > >> > >Good Searching - Good Finding - Good Luck! > >David Huffines > >Searching Hofheintz/Huffines/Huffhines/Hoffein/et.al. > >and Williamson, Wakefield, Underwood, Paisley, Sikes, Lipscomb > > >

Vee L. Housman wrote: > > Dear Group, > > Well, I guess I certainly awakened a few list members' memories and > taste buds when I mentioned pickled red beets and eggs! I had posted > the following recipe to the list back in October but it's obvious that > our list has gained a number of new subscribers since then. Not only > have they missed out on some of our posts regarding old PD recipes, I'm > certain there will be a few of you "oldies" from the list who will smile > when I mention that one of the new members asked me if I had ever dyed > eggs with onion skins! Dear Kathy, I urge you to ask that question of > the group when it gets close to Easter time and I assure you that it's a > subject that's worth bringing up again. In fact, I no doubt saved all > the exchanges of messages dealing with it. As I recall, another related > Easter subject was the one involving Easter Egg Birds. I believe that > these old customs can't be brought up enough times. > > Now, back to > > PICKLED RED BEETS AND EGGS > > 2 doz. hard boiled eggs > 2 cans sliced beets, drained (add enough water to beet liquid to make 3 > cups liquid) > 2/3 cup sugar > 1-1/2 cup vinegar > 1/2 teaspoon cloves > 1/2 teaspoon allspice > 1 teaspoon salt > Combine liquid with sugar and spices and stir until sugar is disolved. > Add red beets and peeled eggs. Refrigerate covered for several days to > color egg whites all the way to the yolks. > > To me the above treat was always associated with the week after Easter > because it was a good way to use up the many hard boiled Easter eggs and > it kept them from spoiling. But most recently, I have especially > enjoyed both the beets and eggs sliced over a green salad. It adds such > a pretty color and, of course, it adds a nice unique flavor to a salad > that might have gotten to be a bit humdrum. > > BTW, if you want to fit right in with the old PD families that still > remain in the PD area, make certain you are specific in calling beets > RED BEETS! That will label you as a genuine "Dutchman!" > > vee When I make these goodies here in Lancaster County, I also add finely chopped onions (to taste). It just adds a little something extra. :-)

The discussion of Pennsylvania Dutch, if that is what they are, pickled beets and eggs reminded of this one: One of my girlfriends from college was Jewish. After college when she came to visit in my first apartment, I served breakfast. She immediately said, "Apple Butter! I'm surprised YOU have apple butter!" Nonplussed, I said "Why?". She answered, "I always thought it was Jewish." All I could say was, "Well I always thought it was Pennyslvania Dutch." Eventually what we concluded was that it must be Central European, not just German, because although the Germans certainly have a lot of Apfel this and Apfel that, her Jewish mother, who made homemade apple butter, was from Hungary! jan

Good message-makes sense! Capcolectr@aol.com Claud Bell BELL WEST SIMS STCLAIR McCOMAS McDANIEL SHANNON BALES

To Evelyn, Thank you for the information. Maybe I'll find some clues since the children names are almost the same in my line. THANK YOU. Esther Clark McDermott emamcd@erols.com

At 01:36 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote: > I'm working on these names REGER these spelling are also related REEGER > REIGER RIEGER REEHER REIHER RIEHER. KRISSLEY / KREISLY Hi Esther, I am not a REGER researcher, but I do have the book, HISTORY OF HUNTERDON COUNTY, by Snell, published in 1881. I have the index, also. You mentioned this NJ county, and in consulting the index, I found this family on Page 476, in the Tewksbury NJ section. Adam REBER was one of three brothers who came from Germany about 1731 and settled, one at Clinton [NJ], one (Adam) at Whitehouse, and one at Easton. One of them became known as Adam REGER, another as Creger, and the other as RIKER. Adam was the ancestor of the family in Tewksbury township; his descendants are now [1881] living in the south part. He removed here before 1776, and bought 200 acres where the widow of Harmon REGER now [1881] lives. His children were Frederick, John, Harmon, Mary, Margaret, Kate, and Ellen. Frederick's children were William, Jacob, Adam, John, Isaac, David, and a daughter. John, born 1782, married Sarah Todd. His children were Adam, Elisha, Henrietta, John, William, Catharine Sarah, Augustin, Job C. Adam married Susan Ann Lambert; Elisha, Margaret Wycoff; Henrietta, Isaac Vosseller; John, Ann Sutphin; William, Jane A. Hickson and Mrs. Mary Todd; Catharine Sarah, G.V. Stryker; Augustin, Margaret Vosseller; Job C.,Phebe Sutphin. Harmon married Margaret Jobs. She is still living, [1881] over ninety, on the homestead. Her child Catharine Ann, married George Carhart. I hope that this item will give you some clues to your ancestor. Evelyn

GeraldWR@aol.com wrote: > > As a child I had no idea of my ethnic background, until a teacher assigned > the class to find their ethnic heritage. My parents said we were German but > came before the World Wars. I was the only German in my school class. > but didn't connect it as anything ethnic until I started my > genealogical studies and discovered my PA-Dutch background. > Gerald - Oboy, this is a nostalgia trip. I have lived in North Carolina for many years, but last summer I was delighted to find that one could buy red pickled eggs in the deli dept of a grocery store in Erie, Pa. My Indiana-born husband thought it was bizarre and I was nuts! They were not of course as good as my mother's (she made hers from home-canned pickled beets for one thing) but they were recognizable. My husband muttered about them being 'rubbery' and my sister and I had to explain to him that they are SUPPOSED to be rubbery! However I am not as sure as you are that they are Pennsylvania German as opposed to just Pennsylvania. Although my father is Pa Dutch, he did not cook, and the eggs were made by my mother who was English. With us it was not associated with Easter; she made them for every picnic, considering it less trouble and more portable than deviled eggs. Although I don't cook much either, I shall certainly keep the recipe for future reference. jan

I am looking for my faimly that comes from gremany we have all the way back to the ancestors who came over from there. They are as follows: Valentin Neu born in Gremany around 1713 his wife was Anna Catherina (don't know madien name) Neu. They came over on the Ship Harel that arrived at the port of Philadelphia, Sept. 1,1736. They came from the Paletinate along the Rhine River in Germany. After leaving Philadelphia they settled in Berks County in the Tulpehocken Township in the Strausstown and Startlesville area. If you have any information that would help I would greatly apperciate it and would not mind shearing the information I have. Thanks, Pam P.s. any messages to me should be sent throught my geocities address it is as follows: b_urself@geocities.com

Gerald- I may be in the same boat as you. Ever since I was much younger (and my little sis is guilty of this as well), I have always thought I was a product of recent immigrates. Well three sets of great-grandparents only started to immigrate to PA @1895. What I didn't know until I started delving into my grandmother's side was that her family has been in PA since the 1730's!!! Even now as I write it, it seems so hard to believe. I probably had very distant cousins in high school that I never knew about. And very possibly, my neighbors at my parent's house were related to us as well. What a small, wonderful world! --Larissa On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 GeraldWR@AOL.COM wrote: > As a child I had no idea of my ethnic background, until a teacher assigned > the class to find their ethnic heritage. My parents said we were German but > came before the World Wars. I was the only German in my school class. Class > mates made fun of me as someone their fathers had fought in WW II. This was > in Ansonia, OH. Pickled eggs was the ethnic food that I knew from pre-school > days in my home, but didn't connect it as anything ethnic until I started my > genealogical studies and discovered my PA-Dutch background. > > Gerald Rhoades > Harrisburg, PA >

I saw this and immediately wondered about your WERTZ connections. I also have Werts/Wertz/Wuertz in my family. Mine is on my maternal side of the family. I would be interested in knowing what you know about the Wertz family. If you want to just e-mail me that would be great. I would be happy to exchange anything I have with you. Thanks, Janice Danielson (Granny) ---------- > From: jrinscheid@lucent.com > To: hessian@cgocable.net; lamparte@juno.com > Cc: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Merz spelling > Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 9:03 AM > > If you have the same variations in spelling as I have seen, while > researching WERTZ (not MERTZ), then you should look out for...

Roxanne:Did someone reply to this ? If not I will lookup for you but send request privately as sometimes I don't read list promptly. Sylvia Graybill beatagoose@aol.com

If you have the same variations in spelling as I have seen, while researching WERTZ (not MERTZ), then you should look out for... MERTS, MERT, MERTZ, MERZ, MIRT, MIRTS, MIRTZ, MIRZ, MURT, MURTS, MURTZ, MURZ, MUERT, MUERTS, MUERZ, and MUERTZ!!!!!! Don't despair - in fact, consider yourself LUCKY. I also have to look out for "V" instead of "W". :-) - Jeff R ---------- > From: lamparte@juno.com > To: hessian@cgocable.net > Cc: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Merz spelling > Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 8:59AM > > > John. <http://www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian> > > I noticed the spelling of your name as MERZ rather than the more common > MERTZ. > and your reference to the Hessians, which I associate (perhaps > incorrectly) with battles in PA. > > Are you descended from / related to the * Jacob MERZ * (b - abt 1838 > d-1912 Philadelphia) who married *Sabina LAMPARTER* in Philadelphia > July 1869? > I only know about one child of this marriage who lived to adulthood - > *Pauline MERZ* (b-1874 d-1972?) who married *John Georg SINGLE* > (b-1864 d-1943) > > Bob Lamparter > Selinsgrove, PA > > >

Dear Penn Dutch listers: Announcing the Chiocchi Home Page. It lists all my direct Pennsylvania Dutch Ancestors as well as the rest of my family. Please check it out and let me know what you think. My address is: http://pages.prodigy.net/janetch Janet Garrison Chiocchi EYGN72A@prodigy.com Researching Albrecht, Atcheson, Bilhimer, Bittenbender, Boosler, Brader, Buchert, Buckmeyer, Buckwalter, Clements, Cuntz, Douglas, Edmunds, Fauchs, Fortner, Fuchs, Garrison, Gebhardt, Graber, Harter, Heistand, Henninger, Hill, Hons, Kauffman, Kaup, Kline, Kneple, Kuntz, Leibelsperger, Leibensperger, Leidig, Leipersperger, Levan, Macaffee, Matter, Mauer, Mertz, Michael, Miller, Moore, Muller, Pfalsgraff, Schell , Seaman, Stauffer, Strauser, Strausser, Weida, White, Yeager, Zimmerman