Gayle Triller wrote: > > James, > I saw your post on the Penna Dutch list. Do you have the names of the seven > children of Henry and Rosanna Groff. I have been trying to find the parents > of my gr,gr,gr grandmother Barbara Groff but so far have not been able to > find anything. Barbara was married to Isaac Getz and had several children. > > I appreciate any help you may be able to give. > > Thank you > > Gayle Triller gayle@cyberis.net GAIL: Sorry to disappoint you, but there was no daughter Barbara. Here' the family for thos of you overreading this. Please feel free to use this informaton or contact me. Best Regards. James. Children of Henry GROFF and Rosanna MYERS: I. John D. Groff John D. Groff, first child of Henry and Rosanna (Myers) Groff, was born October 19, 1802 in Martic Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. At the age of twenty-five he married twenty-one year old Anna Herr on October 16, 1828 in _______________, PA. Anna, the fourth child of Martin and Susan (Herr) Herr, was born April 27, 1807 in Lancaster Co., PA. They had nine children. The 1850 Pennsylvania Census shows John and Anna with their nine children living in Martic Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. John's occupation is listed as farmer and he owned real estate valued at $4000.00. They moved from PA to Milton Twp., Ashland Co., OH in 1852. The 1860 Ohio Census shows them living in Milton Twp., Ashland Co., OH with eight of their children; Henry had apparently already left home. The Productions of Agriculture Schedule of the 1860 Census shows that John Groff owned 98 acres of land, sixty-eight improved and thirty unimproved. The cash value of his farm was $4000.00. The value of his farming implements and machinery was $75.00. His livestock was valued at $750.00 and consisted of two horses, four milch cows, nine other cattle, fourteen sheep and twenty swine. In the previous year, John had produced 150 bushels of wheat, 30 bushels of Indian corn, 50 bushels of oats, 20 bushels of Irish potatoes, 14 bushels of barley, orchard produce valued at $30.00, 900 pounds of butter and 17 tons of hay. The value of animals slaughtered for the year was $116.00. The first record of land purchase by John Groff in Ashland County shows him buying two parcels of property in Township 24, Range 17; this would have been Milton Township. The first was purchased on January 24, 1863 from Phillip Reddinger; the second was purchased March 24, 1863 from John Doty. Both purchases are recorded in the Ashland County Recorder's Office. The 1870 Ohio Census shows John and Anna (Herr) Groff still living in Milton Township with their two daughters, Elizabeth and Mary. It also shows that John Groff was a farmer and owned 104 acres in Milton Township, eighty-four were improved, twenty unimproved. His real estate was valued at $7,280.00 and his personal property was valued at $400.00. The 1870 Ohio Census Agricultural Schedule shows that he owned farm machinery valued at $200.00. He had paid $60.00 in wages during the year. His livestock was valued at $700.00 and consisted of 3 horses, 7 milch cows, 3 other cattle, 21 sheep and 8 swine. During the year he had produced 317 bushels of winter wheat, 7 bushels of rye, 175 bushels of Indian corn, 333 bushels of oats, 15 bushels of Irish potatoes, 600 pounds of butter, 15 tons of hay, 1 bushel of clover seed, 42 bushels of flax seed and $70.00 of forest products. He had slaughtered $300.00 worth of animals during the year. The estimated value of his farms products for 1870 was $2062.00. The 1880 Ohio Census shows that only John and his two daughters were living on the farm in Milton Township. His daughter Leah (Groff) Wertman was living nearby with her husband and four children. Anna died at the age of seventy-two of palsy on January 29, 1880 in Ashland County. Her death is recorded in the 1880 Ohio Census Mortality Schedule. She was buried in Vesper Cemetery, Vermillion Twp., Ashland Co., OH. John died at the age of seventy-nine on July 31, 1882 in Milton Twp., Ashland Co., OH and is buried beside his wife in Vesper Cemetery. II. Jacob Groff Jacob Groff, second child of Henry and Rosanna (Myers) Groff, was born ________________ (about 1806) in Providence Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. He married Susan Stoneroad on ____________ in ___________________. Susan was born ____________(about 1815) in _____________, PA. They had four children. The 1850 Pennsylvania Census shows the family living in Martic Twp., Lancaster Co., PA and shows that they owned real estate valued at $175.00. They later lived in Providence. Jacob died at the age of forty-five, after 1850 and no later than 1860. The 1860 Pennsylvania Census shows Susanna and her three youngest children living in Providence Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. The census records that Susan had personal property valued at $500.00; no real estate is recorded. No further information. III. Anna Groff Anna (or Annie) Groff, third child of Henry and Rosanna (Myers) Groff, was born Providence, Lancaster Co., PA. She married John Barr on _____________ in Lancaster Co., PA. They had two children. They lived in Eden Twp., Lancaster County. No further information. IV. Thomas Groff Thomas Groff, fourth child of Henry and Rosanna (Myers) Groff, was born June __, 1810 in Providence Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. He married Mary Ann Newlin on February 12, 1835 in Lancaster, Lancaster Co., PA. Mary Ann was born May __, 1813 in Marietta, Lancaster Co., PA. The had nine children. They lived in New Providence, Lancaster Co., PA. The 1850 Penn. Census shows the family living in Martic Twp., Lancaster Co. and lists Thomas' occupation as farmer. They lived in New Providence, Lancaster Co., PA. Both were members of the Mennonite Church. Thomas Groff was a staunch member of the Republican Party and before that a member of the Whig Party. Mary Ann died on _________________, 1851 in New Providence, Lancaster Co., PA and was buried in _______________, Cemetery, Providence Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. Thomas died on ______________________, 1897 in New Providence, PA and was buried in ____________________, Cemetery, Providence Twp., Lancaster Co., PA.. V. Susan Groff Susan Groff, fifth child of Henry and Rosanna (Myers) Groff, was born __________ in PA. She married John Myers on December 23, 1834 in Lancaster, Lancaster Co., PA. They lived in Martic, Lancaster Co., PA. John was from Colerain Twp. They had a large family. No further information. VI. Benjamin Groff Benjamin Groff, sixth child of Henry and Rosanna (Myers) Groff, was born about ________________ 1818 in Providence, Lancaster County, PA. On April 17, 1849 at the age of about thirty, he married Anna D. Pontious in Lancaster, PA. Anna would have been about twenty-five years old at the time. They had seven children. The 1850 Pennsylvania Census shows Benjamin and Anna (Pontious) Groff living in East Lampeter Twp., Lancaster Co., PA with their first child John and Anna's father, John Pontious. At that time Benjamin listed his occupation as schoolteacher. By 1860 the family had moved westward to Menno Twp., Mifflin Co., PA. They must have been there as early as 1858 when Benjamin was named the first postmaster of the village of Menno. On the 1860 census Benjamin lists his occupation as merchant and most likely he ran the post office out of a store; his personal property was valued at $1850.00. An account of his nephew, Jacob. N. Groff, describes Benjamin as a merchant for many years. Benjamin and Anna (Pontious) Groff had completed their family of seven children by 1865. The 1870 Pennsylvania Census shows Anna living in Decatur Twp., Mifflin Co., PA on real estate valued at $1000.00 and with personal property valued at $265.00. She was still living in Decatur Twp. on the 1880 Pennsylvania Census. Benjamin must have died before 1870 because his name no longer appears on the census. He is buried in the St. Marks Lutheran Church Cemetery in Alfarata, Decatur Twp., Mifflin Co., PA. Anna died August 24, 1895 at the age of seventy-four. According to the death record of Mifflin County, she died of "dropsy", from which she had suffered the previous six months. She is buried beside her husband in the St. Marks Lutheran Church Cemetery. VII. Elizabeth Groff Elizabeth Groff, seventh child of Henry and Rosanna (Myers) Groff, was born ________ in PA. She was single and lived at the home of her parents all her life. No further information.

Looking for the parents of Jane Hockenberry, born 1818, died 6-19-1871. Married to Henry Albert, on 1-26-1837 at St. Paul's German Lutheran and Reformed Church, Zelienople, Butler County, PA. I believe her father to be Joseph Hockenberry, but no definitive proof as yet. Any help will be deeply appreciated.

Hi all, I wanted to let you all know that the 1781 Whitehall twp tax list was just posted on the USGenweb PA archives. Try http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb for the general home page and http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lehighp.html for all the Lehigh county things posted. (It is also accessible from the Northampton county archive page) My particular contribution is NOT in the search engine for the archives yet- probably will take another week or two. There are a few minor changes and additions from the lists I posted to this group a couple of weeks ago. Cheers Heidi from Sugar Land TX

Thought I'd add a lighter side to our talk about that Flu epidemic in 1917. My grandmother lay dying of both the Flu and measles and Pneumonia. The family had sent for her oldest son to come home. Neighbors who were well would volunteer to sit with those who were sick. On this night a young girl age 16 from a new family in town was sitting up with Grandma. About 11PM the son came home and being very tired from a long trip lay down on a daybed in the same room with his mother and the young girl. He was 26 years old. This young girl sat and watched him sleep -- She really must have liked the looks of him because about 7AM she got up and going over to him- Kissed him--Well needless to say, this woke him. Mama never would tell me what happened next except after going together another 6 years they married and I am the result. They had a very good 47 years together. Mary Russell bird@scrtc.blue.net Glasgow Kentucky

Hi - I don't mean to sound ignorant, but aren't pickled eggs (or beets) just a simple, basic thing that people have been eating for centuries in any country that has the ingredients? I've eaten them in Germany, but also in Siberia. I've heard of them in English dishes . . . it just seems like it could be called a "russian" dish as easily as a "german" dish. Am I wrong in this? - Cheri Cheri Lee McElroy cmcelroy@mexia.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2840

Hi, I wonder if anyone could tell me if this address still exists today? My great-uncle lived at this address in 1945. William A. Wilson 6100 Market St. Philadephia,39PA I would like to contact anyone if they know off this man or his descendants. Nadine Wilson Hensley

Hello PD Researchers, I am new to the PD list, so far, I have enjoyed it very much. I am hoping someone out there knows knows something about my elusive ancestor, John HALL. John was born ca. 1803, family stories say he came from "around" Bethlehem PA. Census records also state birthplace as PA. I know he was German speaking, as he attended a German speaking church, Emanuel Lutheran High Church, Doylestown OH. John ended up in Norton, Summit Co OH. Married Anna NOWLAN (an Irish lass) and raised nine children. If anyone has any information on a HALL line, that John could have come from, I would love to hear from you. Thanks, Gayle Hall Winslow thewins@prodigy.net

Hi I am reseaching Martin from Bucks County. His name is Adam MARTIN. He owned a farm and was a politican. This would of been in the early 1800. He daughter married to Frank BRINKER. Any connection let me know

The following article was written about the family of my great-grandmother and great-grandfather: "SPANISH INFLUENZA IS FATAL HERE Five deaths recorded here of victims of the dread disease of complications. Hundreds ill. Some Serious. The ravages of Spanish Influenza are being felt in this place with increasing rigor and sadness. Several hundred have been reported here and in this vicinity, some of which have developed until the patients are at this time in a critical condition. The greatest bereavement and the greatest sadness has no doubt come to the home of Mr. and Mrs. Isaac Beasom of South Front Street, their son Frazier Arthur Beasom having died Saturday at 3 a.m. and their daughter, Sarah Ruth Beasom, having died Sunday at 10:00 p.m. and there remain three other members of the family ill of the dread disease in various stages of seriousness, altho all give hopes of ultimate recovery. These are Mr. and Mrs. Beasom and their daughter, Miss Ellen Beasom. The only well members of their family are Mrs. R. M. Baskins of Bucks Valley and Chas. Beasom, member of Co. G, 145th U.S. infantry, now in France. Both of the deceased young people were born in Duncannon removing to this place with their parents when babies. Frazier was born September 7, 1898 and Sarah was born May 26, 1896. Frazier had been working at Enola and became ill the Saturday previous and the other members of the family at home became ill this week." According to what I was told, my great-grandparents were too ill to attend the funerals of their children. From my great-grandfather's obituary: "Mr. Beasom had not been so well since an attack of the flu three years ago and his physician had warned him not to overtax his heart, altho he was able to work right along." (He suffered a heart attack after running to catch a train.) "In the fall of 1918, practically the whole Beasom family were taken down with the influenza epidemic prevalent at that time. Frazier Beasom died Oct. 19, 1918, and his sister, Sarah Beasom died the next day." Elaine Ebersole Long ------------------------------------- Ron & Elaine Long 1105 S. Stockton Ada, OK 74820-8107 ronglong@chickasaw.com http://www.chickasaw.com/~ronglong -------------------------------------

Hi, Bonnie Coy, You might want to keep your eyes open for KUH and variants. Kuh is German for cow, and many German names were translated from German to English. The original German name almost certainly started with a K (or possibly a G) in the German spelling, since C does not occur initially in standard German. (The situation in Swiss German, as I understand it, is similar but sometimes starts a word with CH.) The 'ow' sound of English was usually written 'au' in German, so if COW is a phonetic transcription, the original German spelling might be KAU. Likewise, the phonetic transcription of German KEU would be English COY. As to why the name might have eventally become COY, I think that if I had my druthers, I'd rather be COY than a COW. :) Sincerely, Ed BOOK Brent E. Coy wrote: > I'm reseaching a family that was recorded as "COW" by the English > speaking clerks. They settled in the Cumberland Valley. Some were > Evangelical Lutherans of the Conococheague District; others were German > Baptist Brethern. Any thoughts on what the original German name could > have been and why the name eventually evolved into "COY"? There's no > sense in searching on "COW". It brings up everyone who ever left his > widow a cow, which is practically everyone! > Bonnie Coy (searching for COW and linked families WELBAUM, HOFFMAN > and GRISAMER)

Jlmaupin@aol.com wrote: > > Apparently Rev. John Weber was a traveling preacher and bastized many of the > German children in Allegheny, Westmoreland, Fayette Co areas of PA. Does > anyone know which churches he visited or where I might find that information? > I am especially interested in the church he performed his baptisms in in > Fayette Co. > > Thanks > Judy > jlmaupin@aol.com > > Researching...GEYER, WORKMAN, DARR, SHEELY, HILL, LINDERHi Judy: You asked about Rev. John Weber, but didn't provide any dates so I don't know if this is the same fellow: are you referring to Rev. John William Weber (1735-1816)? He was the pioneer Reformed Church pastor west of the Alleghanies, starting in about 1783. Ralph H. Schwalm

Can someone verify or destroy this family conclusions? Heinrich WEHRLY born circa 1740 married Catherine MOSER. Catherine born 1743, died 1834 in York Co., PA. Their children: i. Heinrich WEHRLY b. ca 1770 York Co., PA., d. 1846 Tuscarawas Co., OH, m. Christina SAUBEL. ii. John George WEHRLY, b. ca 1772 iii. Elizabeth WEHRLY, b. May 30, 1774 York Co., PA, d. February 8, 1852 Preble Co., OH, m. Henry PETRY.

Seeking information on David JACOBS who was born in York Co., OH and died in Wayne Co., OH. He married Barbara BYERS of York Co., PA, who died in Richland Co., OH. Their daughter Susan JACOBS was born August 18, 1825 in Wayne Co., OH.., died February 24, 1864 in Ashland Co., OH., m. David SHERRICK.

All, Just wanted to let everyone know that I did get re-subscribed, and thanks to all who so kindly responded to my previous request for help. Howard Groff (groffh@aol.com)

Looking for descendants of Johannes "John S." WEHRLY b. June 4, 1802 York Co., PA., d. November 10, 1876 Salamonia, Jay Co., IN., who married Barbara PETRY, b. May 28, 1802 York Co., PA., d. August 27, 1880 Salamonia, Jay Co., IN. They were married in Starke Co., OH in 1821. I am still searching for the exact date. Barbara was the daughter of George and Catherine (KALTREIDER) PETRY. Johannes was the son of Heinrich & Christina (SAUBEL) WEHRLY. I descend from William P. WEHRLY b. November 2, 1845 in Preble Co., OH. who married Olive Jane SMITH. Travis LeMaster

Apparently Rev. John Weber was a traveling preacher and bastized many of the German children in Allegheny, Westmoreland, Fayette Co areas of PA. Does anyone know which churches he visited or where I might find that information? I am especially interested in the church he performed his baptisms in in Fayette Co. Thanks Judy jlmaupin@aol.com Researching...GEYER, WORKMAN, DARR, SHEELY, HILL, LINDER

To Rod and my PD list cousins: Sorry I offended you, Rod. I enjoy the PD list except for the rude flaming that goes on from time to time. It never occurred to me that I would become a target of these flames. I subscribe to the list as a digest and because of a busy work schedule do not have time to read every digest that comes my way. I thought that Rod's problem was with non subscribers posting to this list and people plagiarizing his surname list. The info on my page is all original and I am really excited that I finally am on the web. I used GED2WWW to create a database of my direct ancestors. Most of my family is Pennsylvania Dutch so I did not think that sharing my genealogy web page url with people on this list was off topic. No, this was not intended as a test. I am really insulted that you have treated my joy in sharing genealogy info with my Pennsylvania Dutch cousins as a direct insult to you. I have enjoyed learning about the Pennsylvania Dutch through this list and was even lucky enough to meet my Strauser cousins through this list. It is with regret that I plan to unsubscribe from the list as soon as I finish this message. Please remove my email address and surnames from your web page. I will save you the trouble of removing me from the list by unsubscribing on my own. Goodbye, Janet Garrison Chiocchi -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Friday, 29-Aug-97 12:53 PM > > From: Pennadutch \ America On-Line: (pennadutch) > To: Janet Chiocchi \ PRODIGY: (EYGN72A) > > Subject: Re: My new web page > > Janet, > > Is this a test. > > for the past week there have been many posts about announcements. after all the > to-do, you do exactly what I have said several times is NOT to be done on the > PD list. > > plaese tell me why you did this, as I have made it clear that these > announcement posts woyuld result in removal from the list. I've offered to put > your url link on the pd page and said fine to url's in your email sig but you > defy list policy with your post. Is this your way of asking me to remove you? > > rod > -------- REPLY, End of original message --------

Michae5045@aol.com wrote: > > My great uncles in SE PA grew "ground cherries", a vine-like plant that had > small fruit with a paper-like skin that had to be peeled off. These were > then made into pies, etc. No one seems to grow them anymore, and I can't > seem to find out what they really were. Any ideas? > > Mike in NY Try asking for them, or check seed catalogs, under any of the following names: Husk or strawberry tomato, strawberry cherry, or winter cherry. Info courtesy "The Grocer's Encyclopedia", 1911. Ralph H. Schwalm

In response to your family medical chart-there is a form called Your Family Health History. It is a genogram and is similar to an ancestor chart or you can make your own family tree chart. I think I made a copy from a genealogy book at the library, or you could make your own just as easily. The males are marked with little squares and the females are marked with circles and you add the health problem or death info for each person. I filled in the info I have on some of my ancestor's death certifi- cates and the health problems of my immediate family. If nothing else, it may help future generations that follow us and I thought it was a good idea. Probably others on here will know more about it than I do. So many health problems are inherited and the more info given, the better for them. Hope this helps some. Marian

Mike, I have a wonderful old 4 volume Illustrated Dictionary of Gardening, published in England about 100 years ago. It's amazing what I have learned from it over the years. First - it says "Ground Cherry, see Cerasus Chamaecerasus" The description of C. Chamaecerasus says it grows 2-4 feet high, and in May has fruit which is round, reddish-purple, and very acid. There is also a creeping form - "pendula". There is no mention of the paper-like covering, and all are related to the Laurel tree. Second - taking Ralph Schwalm's advice, I also checked for "Winter Cherry". That says "see Physalis Alkekengi." This sounds more like what you are looking for. "P. Alkekengi is ornamental, in autumn and winter, when its fruits are ripe, on account of the highly coloured, inflated calyx [the green outer part of a flower]. This becomes skeletonised in due course, if left on the plant." That sounds more like the paper skin. Another variety - "Physalis peruviana edulis is occasionally grown as a dessert fruit, some people liking its peculiar flavour...fruit, yellow, edible." Ralph's reference to "husk tomato" also fits the description of a fruit/vegetable?, available recently in produce departments, called tomatillos. They look like small green tomatoes with a papery skin which you peel off before cooking. Perhaps some of this is helpful? Sandra bigband@oceana.net > > My great uncles in SE PA grew "ground cherries", a vine-like plant that had > small fruit with a paper-like skin that had to be peeled off. These were > then made into pies, etc. No one seems to grow them anymore, and I can't > seem to find out what they really were. Any ideas? > > Mike in NY