Yes, we sure did use the blueing. As I recall it came in a little bag that we would use each week until there was no more. Also, not connected with washing, but Mom made cottage cheese and hung it in cheesecloth to drip on the clothesline. It had the finest curds. Back then we always used to put sugar on it. I haven't eaten that way since I was a kid, but I still prefer the small curds to the large ones. Pat Woodard, Larry wrote: > > I suppose you also putting the white things through a "blue" rinse to > make them whiter? > > > ---------- > > From: Patricia Bogel[SMTP:pbogel@serv2.fwi.com] > > Reply To: pbogel@serv2.fwi.com > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 11:24 PM > > To: housman@concentric.net > > Cc: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Monday Was Warsh Day! > > > > Vee, I did my share of washing that way; helping my Mom. And, yes, > > there were two tubs of rinse water. Also remember the soap: Rinso > > White! > > > > Pat > >

x-no-archive: yes Hello, I've been off the computer for over a week (nasty inner ear thing) and seem to have missed something while the room was spinning. I have some Eisenharts. Who was it that was interested in them? D

Growing up in Ephrata and living in a multi-generation home I have distinct memories of "wash day". I don't recall anyone in my family saying wash with the "r". Also saturday was grandma's wash day because she worked at a shoe factory in Lititz and grandpa worked at New Holland machine factory as he called it(now Sperry) in New Holland. Also in the home was my grandma's maiden sister (grandma #2) who worked at Cinderella Frocks in Ephrata. Since all worked, saturday was the day that at 5 am the sheets were ripped out from under you and you were banished to a sofa, or hey, just get up, the day is moving on. After all the laundry was gathered in front of the ringer Maytag in the basement began the long process of shaving bars of ivory soap and other alchemy for the task at hand. best part was watching things being fed into the ringer. rod

thanks linnea, got to the listowner page, it was the pdutch tag. I will be closeted trying to process all the surnames etc. mail today. hope you had a happy holiday rod

Besides learning how to do the "warsh", I was taught to "read up" the house. I always thought that this came from "ready", as in "getting the place ready for company". I'm still chasing COWS. Many thanks to all of you who gave me spelling and searching suggestions. Bonnie Coy

Hi everyone, I'm sure the basic world foods idea is correct. I'm also sure the pickling was taken very seriously by the Germans. When we visited in Germany, one place we ate was a huge buffet meal. When I sat down to eat, I discovered that every item on my plate was pickled - the vegetables, the meat, the condiments - everything! Sandra bigband@ocean.net > From: Barbara Walters Eberly <beberly@WCU.CAMPUS.MCI.NET> > > There are definitely certain basic foods in the world. > As for the pickled foods, putting > something in vinegar is one of the easiest ways to preserve > food.

Also you can get your DR. can write you a prescription for computer glasses, they also work great. Gordon

If you have problems reading your monitor, buy a magnifying screen, they work great, I don't have one, but saw one this summer, they come in diff sizes. Gordon

In a message dated 97-09-02 08:28:28 EDT, you write: << My Pa Dutchman left Lancaster about 1776. Through Canada and back to the US apparently the warsh word continues. I've been teased unmercifully through my lifetime for mispronouncing wash. I never knew before Vee's story where I had learned to do the warsh. A speech therapist in school tried to correct me. I was told I couldn't get a teaching certificate unless I cleared up my speech. After all, there couldn't be a generation of Michigan children also warshing their hair, their car and their dogs! Joyce Stevens Livonia, MI >> I thought "warsh" was from Southern, OH where I grew up. My PD ancestors left PA in 1814. For me this extends to the city and state of "Warshingon" also. Gerald Rhoades from Darke Co., OH

My Pa Dutchman left Lancaster about 1776. Through Canada and back to the US apparently the warsh word continues. I've been teased unmercifully through my lifetime for mispronouncing wash. I never knew before Vee's story where I had learned to do the warsh. A speech therapist in school tried to correct me. I was told I couldn't get a teaching certificate unless I cleared up my speech. After all, there couldn't be a generation of Michigan children also warshing their hair, their car and their dogs! Joyce Stevens Livonia, MI

Whoops! Just found Vee's original. She already mentioned the "blue" rinse. > ---------- > From: Vee L. Housman[SMTP:housman@concentric.net] > Reply To: housman@concentric.net > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 4:36 PM > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Monday Was Warsh Day! > > MONDAY WAS WARSH DAY! > > This evening as I was ironing an accumulation of cotton tablecloths, > linen napkins and the like, it brought my mind back to my growing up > in > the 1930s and 40s. Back in those days, housewives had a set > routine--looking back on it, I swear it must have been the law! > > Monday: Do the wash (or as Grandma pronounced it, ?warsh!?) > Tuesday: Iron the clothes > Wednesday: Bake the bread > Thursday: Go to market?? (OK, I?m lost here!) > > Now in my day, doing the wash meant getting up early, (Of course! A > proper housewife ALWAYS got up early!), stripping the beds of bed > linen > and gathering up the laundry and sorting it out--whites in one pile, > colored in another. And down into the cellar with the whole lot. > Fill > up the Maytag wringer washer with HOT water and add the soap. (Note, > I > said ?soap,? not detergent! A bit of a comment on soap later). > > The first to go into the washer were the cotton sheets and pillow > cases. Bluing had also been added to the water to whiten everything > and > then the machine was turned on. > Klunka, chunka, swish, swish went the agitator. When she felt the > clothes had been in there long enough to be clean, the machine was > stopped and it was time to rinse them (?Rench? them, as Grandma would > say!). That meant turning on the wringer, gather the sheet in just > the > right way and feed it through the wringer to wring out the soapsuds. > As > the wringer pulled the sheet through, there was a galvanized wash tub > filled with clear water waiting for it. After the bed linens had been > sloshed up an down a number of times by hand, the washing machine > wringer was maneuvered so that the linens could be fed through the > wringer again and into the wicker clothes basket. (Hmmm, somehow I > can > picture a second rinse tub but that's what happens when the memory > gets > dim!) At any rate, out onto the cotton clothes line they went, pinned > up > with wooden clothes pins to dry. (BTW, not the ?snap-type? wooden > clothes pins.) > > Load after load of laundry was washed in the same soapy water and > rinse > water until every dirty piece of fabric in the house was clean and > hanging out on the clothes line. Of course, my mother insisted that > my > father?s cotton handkerchiefs be ?snowy white.? He worked in a factory > and wiped his dirty brow frequently; therefore, there was always the > large kettle on the stove to boil them in before they went into the > washing machine. > Now, regarding the soap! All you needed to do was to listen to the > radio to find out what soap would clean your clothes the best. During > the entire afternoon, you listened to the ?Soap Operas!? Why were > they > called Soap Operas? Well, because almost every one of the 15-minute > programs were sponsored by soap manufacturers. And all day long, the > housewife stayed tuned to the radio to hear the latest segment of > ?Stella Dallas? or ?One Man?s Family? and all of the rest of them. > And > while she listened, she took note of the commercials: Buy Duz soap, D > U > Z does everything! Fels Naptha, Oxydol, etc. Oh, how they all > promised > to make your clothes so CLEAN!! What a sin it would have been if a > neighbor thought your clothes were a tattle-tale gray! > > When the clothes were dry, they were brought back inside and then were > dampened by > sprinkling them with water, rolled up tightly and placed back into the > clothes basket to be ironed the next day. In addition, and my memory > is > a bit foggy here, those clothes that needed to be starched (which I > seem > to recall were MOST of them!) were sloshed up and down in a kettle of > warm water with a cake of starch disolved in it on the stove. Come to > think of it, I guess that was done before they were hung out on the > line. Oh well! And the next day, everything got ironed with the > exception of maybe the socks! > > And so went the average week for the housewife. Happy Labor Day, > girls!! :-D > > Vee >

I suppose you also putting the white things through a "blue" rinse to make them whiter? > ---------- > From: Patricia Bogel[SMTP:pbogel@serv2.fwi.com] > Reply To: pbogel@serv2.fwi.com > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 11:24 PM > To: housman@concentric.net > Cc: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Monday Was Warsh Day! > > Vee, I did my share of washing that way; helping my Mom. And, yes, > there were two tubs of rinse water. Also remember the soap: Rinso > White! > > Pat >

>MONDAY WAS WARSH DAY! > >Vee > You've given your mother's origins away - waRsh is a western PA pronunciation. At least I don't recall hearing this pronunciation among our Lancaster county family. The dividing line where western pronunciations begin seems to be about Huntingdon and Blair counties . Another W PA-ism is you'uns (as opposed to you [pleural] or youse). You-uns also seems to begin about Huntingdon county in my experience. If you can recall some of these from your older relatives, it may provide you with a clue as to their origins. Below are the Dutchisms I recall from my growing up Wrootchy - the kids have ants in their pants, can't sit still -(spielkuss in Yiddish) or Wrootching - squirming as in "wrootching in your seat" Ret up - clean up It's all - they leave off the 'gone' in "all gone" Gnotch - [long O as in oval] - as in "Quit gnotching the dog" - annoying, pestering an animal. I don't recall having heard it used in reference to annoying people. Those are the ones that come to mind quickly. Bob Lamparter

I found this bit in a book. Hope it helps: "Henry Petry married Elizabeth Wehrly(May 31, 1774-Feb 8, 1852), the daughter of Henry and Katherine Moser Werhly of Codorus Township. Although Henry and Elizabeth migrated to Ohio, they did live for a number of years within the bounds of the Little Conewago congregation. This family consisted of the following known children: Michael(Sept 29, 1791-April 25, 1857) who married CatherinePfoutz(1800-1881) Catharine(March 17,1803-May 10, 1880) who married Nicholas Bucher(Feb 29, 1803-Jan 24, 1889) Henry(1804-Jan 8, 1898) who married Elizabeth Sanger(1803-1866) Elizabeth(April 11, 1810-Oct 7, 1895)who was married in 1829 to David Miller(Oct, 1799-April 25, 1877) Mary(Aug 2, 1812-Jan 23, 1852) who married 1) Martin Garber (May 13, 1803-May 18, 1852); and 2) David Kinsey( - ) whom she married on July 29, 1852" Hope there is something there that helps! Regards, Jana >Subject: Re: WEHRLY/MOSER; PA, USA; 1740-1834 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > >> Can someone verify or destroy this family conclusions? > >Well, I can't verify it and I have no reason to destroy it. Your >message about WEHRLY with reference to the year 1740 takes the name >back the furthest that I know about. My grandmother's maiden name >was WEHRLE (other relatives spell it WEHRLI). I have seen variants >spelled WEARLEY, WORLEY, and now WEHRLY. My grandmother's father >was Joseph WEHRLE, but I don't know where his family is from, except >that they were probably originally from Germany. My grandmother was >born in Blackjack, Illinois, which no longer exists. It was located >somewhere south of Lebanon, Ill, in Bond County. I don't recognize >any of the names in the list below. > >O.G. Marti, Jr. omarti@tifton.cpes.peachnet.edu > >> >> Heinrich WEHRLY born circa 1740 married Catherine MOSER. Catherine born >> 1743, died 1834 in York Co., PA. Their children: >> >> i. Heinrich WEHRLY b. ca 1770 York Co., PA., d. 1846 Tuscarawas Co., OH, >> m. Christina SAUBEL. >> ii. John George WEHRLY, b. ca 1772 >> iii. Elizabeth WEHRLY, b. May 30, 1774 York Co., PA, d. February 8, 1852 >> Preble Co., OH, m. Henry PETRY. Jana Baker <winston@tcsn.net> Researching the names: BAKER, BROWN, BOWSER,LONGO, MATHEWS, MILLS, NESSELRODT, NEWCOMB, PURPURA, SONNERFRANK

I was trying to find the area in which to post my surnames, so as not to duplicate ones I had already posted but for some reason (or other) can't seem to find it. Will have to make the next listing I guess. Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen - e-mail - waughtel@oz.net

Hi: Having "warshed" from kettle, rub board, etc. on to modern day equipment, lye soap to liquids, etc. I learned "many years ago" that that old bottle of shampoo on the shelf will take out "ring-around-the-collar" quicker than anything else I have found with just a minimum amount of "rubbing". It works great for other stains too...... <grin> Lorena Hi: I'm an American and married into a British family, and actually moved to England in 1978). Even in modern England, sometimes the plentiful marketing cleaning items we are used to in America were not available in Europe. As a new bride, I set out to the corner market to find a product to take the modern day, ring around the collar out of my husbands white shirts. No Clorox II, Zout, etc., available. My mother-in-law suggested I boil the shirts on top of the stove and put just a bit of washing up liquid (like our dishwashing liquid) in the pot. So every week, I would boil the shirts clean. When I returned home to American, my grandmother (who is Pennsylvania-Dutch) looked at me like she could hardly believe what I said. She told me they would boil their clothes in a kettle to get them clean when she was a small child. Being a modern women, I had never heard of this. I can still remember the look on her face when I told her how I would do the laundry. Anyway, fortunately in our modern warshing days (yes, my family still referes to this as warsh not wash) we have great products that help. I can report that England now has many of these items also. Still, if you want them really WHITE, BOIL THEM!!! Thanks for your time, Genny Baughman Payne Searching: BAUGHMAN...VANAMAN...BEAL...RARICK...KENNEL...WHIGHAM...BROADSTREET......MCF ARLAND...ROBERTS Mrs_Nice@juno.com

I always thought that "warsh" was an Ohio thing. Our family left Pa. in 1850s, and we still speak that way. Bruce At 03:15 PM 9/1/97 -0500, Candy J. Gessat wrote: >Joan, > >The older PD still speak that way here. That's Montg., Lehigh and Berks >Co.s I'd say it universal. > >Candy > > >Vee, your Penna Dutch version of the word wash as warsh reminds me of how >my >father would pronounce the name for the "awnings" we had over our porch >windows--he called them "ornings," and I think I must have been about 12 or >so before I learned they were really "awnings!" Was this universal Penna >Dutch pronounciation or was it an Adams and York County dialect I wonder? > >Joan Myers Young >---------- > > > <<bludwig@ptialaska.net> Researching: Pennsylvania - LUDWIG - Columbia & Northampton Counties LONG - Columbia & Northampton Counties RAMBO - Philadelphia & Beaver Counties TEDROW - Philadelphia & Beaver Counties KING - Philadelphia County CREASY - ??? Counties MIKLE - ??? Counties Ohio - LUDWIG - Allen, Hancock, Pickaway and Marion Counties FISCHER - Allen, Hancock, Shelby & ??? Counties MILLER - Hancock & ??? Counties WORTHINGTON - Hardin & ??? Counties ANDERSON - Allen, Columbiana and Hancock Counties SCHALK - Seneca County Genealogy Homepage <bold>=</bold> <<http://www.ptialaska.net/~bludwig/hometree.htm>

The following I've taken off of the 1900, 1910,1920 Census. I'm posting this in hope to reaching someone who might in someway be connected. 1900 census, Thebes Precinct, Alexander County, Illinois, Page A419, Line 37 BROWN, John b. 1843, Tenn., Married 6 May 1892, d. 1928, Buried Thebes Illinois BROWN/LATON/JOHNSON, Agustes, b. Nov 1869, Illinois, d. 30 Dec 1924, Buried Thebes, Illonois LATON, Oda, Step son, b. Feb 1887, Illinois BROWN, Bert b. Feb 1899, Illinois 1910 census, East Cape Giradeau Precinct, Alexander County, Illinois, Page 242, Line 19 BROWN, John Age 66 BROWN/LATON/JOHNSON, Gussie M. Age 41 BROWN, Bert H. Age 11 BROWN/DALE, May F. Age 7 b. 7 May 1902, d. 4 July 1990 (my mother) BROWN/DYER, Marie Age 6 Married a Garvie Dyer East St Louis, Missouri 1920 census, Thebes Precinct, Alexander County, Illinois, Page 8B, Line 63 BROWN, John Age 75 BROWN, Agusta (Gussie) Age 48 BROWN, Bert Henry Age 19 BROWN/DALE, May Age 18 BROWN/DYER, Marie Age 15 1900 census, Reeder Township, Anderson County, Kansas, Page 4B, Line 91 CONRAD, Joseph M. b. 1874 Texas married 22 June 1898 CONRAD/DALE/WARNER, Sarah L. b. 1869, Illinois, d. 19 Feb 1912 DALE, Ernest W. Step-son, Age 11 b. Dec 1888 DALE/SPROTT, Mable Cathren, Step-Daughter, Age 7 b. 7 Sept 1892 d. 24 July 1936 DALE, Elmer E. Step-son Age 5 b. 25 Jan 1895 d. 1 Apr 1959 (my father) DALE, Walter W. Step-son Age 3 b. Feb 1897 WARNER, Rosa S. Mother-in-Law Age 76 b. 1823 Germany (my GG Grandmother) Their were two others, servants that I could not deciper because of the poor quality of the film. The following were not on the above census for one reason or another. DALE, Myrtle S. b. Sept 1892 DALE, Truman Edward b. 24 Sept 1890 d. 19 Aug 1892 Following are the children of Joseph and Sarah CONRAD CONRAD, George Marion b. 11 Oct 1900 Harris, Anderson County, Kansas CONRAD, Frank Albert b. 5 Feb 1903 Mineral Point, Coffee County, Kansas CONRAD, Louie Allen b. 18 Oct 1906 Beaver, Beaver County, Oklahoma My Grandfather was DALE, Willard Edward b. 25 Apr 1861 Winnebeggo County, Illinois. I have been unable to locate him in any census. Any assistance on any indiviual mentioned above would be greatfully appreciated. pdale@sprynet.com ============== SURNAMES ================ {Brown--Conrad--Dale--Dyer--Johnson--Laton--Warner} =========================================

Whoever posted information of Sylvester Burns, please re-post or e-mail me privately. I have a g-grandfather with this name and am looking for information on him, I mistakenly deleted the message today. Thanks, Ron Yount, Jr.

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