w Terrell wrote: > > Now I'm a newcomer to this list, and I'm surprised. I'm currently from > MN and I thought all those funny sayings like "Will you throw the > garbage" and "What are you doing then" and "Anymore, I get up at six" > were localisms. I think I can still claim "Yah, shure, ya betcha" and > "It could be worse", tho'. We are well recognized since "Fargo" as > thenational center for funny frases, and there's a whole paperbook > devoted to "How to speak Minnesotan", but I didn't see an old movie > "Throw mama from the train a kiss" , so I don't know much about PaD. > Nevertheless, my AR granny said Warsh and Rinsch and my OK m-in-law > called irises Orishes. And then there's the Californians who end > everything with "huh?" In a way its a shame that TV is sort of > standardizing our speech: youngsters with parents who have a drawl from > somewhere usually speak straight (there's aDutch phrase and I didn't even > try!) Win in MN Win -- Ya shore ya betcha! Is Norwegian! :-) They say it around here in the Norwegian communities (especially Ballard, which is near Seattle). Brenda Hébert

Bill & Joy Heape wrote: > > Does anyone have a recipe or directions on how to can beef as above? > Actually, I'd be interested in trying it on deer meat. Even those in my > family who didn't care for deer meat would eat my Grandma's venison > fixed this way. I believe she soaked it in a solution in a barrel > before canning it. She died in 1979 and the recipe is long gone (or > maybe she didn't use one!) > > > Joy Heape Joy, I couldn't find an exact recipe; however, generally larger cuts of meat were cooked first before placing in the jars. As far as vension and other wild meats go, we always soaked them in salt water first usually a small amount of vinegar was also added to the solution. This was done to remove the "wild" taste. Gary

Did anyone hear the word "boper" (long O) used in their families? My PD ggrandmother used it in our family. It's finally dying out with my children. It meant "don't bother/bug me now" as in "Don't boper me about that!". BG

x-no-archive: yes Seems to me the Ball Co. that makes canning supplies has a book on canning with instructions. They recommend pressure canning meats and other low acid foods because of the potential for botulism. D

Would that be "Lion Syrup"? It came in a red can...... I can still remember my sister dropping a full container of the stuff, and the mess it made as it slowly oozed under the refrigerator and cabinets! What a clean up job! But... what good syrup! We ate it on buttered bread.... Louize Hudson Linnea Miller wrote: > >Delivered-To: ltmiller@postoffice.ptd.net > >Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:52:11 -0400 (EDT) > >From: Maxard@aol.com > >To: ltmiller@postoffice.ptd.net > >Subject: Re: Monday Was Warsh Day! > > > >ANY ONE REMEMBER A CERTYAIN KIND OF MOLLASSES THAT DISAPPEARED IN THE > '60'S > >THAT YOU PUT ON BUTTERED BREAD? CAN'T REPLACE THAT TASTE. > > > > I think Turkey Syrup comes close, now. > > -Linnea

Brenda Hebert wrote: > Usually, beef was cut into cubes about one inch and > packed into fruit jars and processed like vegetables. It was just > beef, > not steak or roast. The broth in the fruit jars made the most > delactable > gravy I have ever eaten. Does anyone have a recipe or directions on how to can beef as above? Actually, I'd be interested in trying it on deer meat. Even those in my family who didn't care for deer meat would eat my Grandma's venison fixed this way. I believe she soaked it in a solution in a barrel before canning it. She died in 1979 and the recipe is long gone (or maybe she didn't use one!) Have enjoyed all these stories and PD expressions! Wouldn't you rather be "befutzed" or "befuddled" any day than stressed? :-) Joy Heape

I had a similar query - mine was "what does 'Letter of Administration granted to' mean?" A cousin of mine who is a retired judge clarified: " In Pennsylvania, letters of administration are issued to the person who will be the administrator of a deceased's estate. However, there is normally not a will involved. If a person dies with a will and names an executor, then the executor is issued "letters testamentary" to carry out his or her duties. One can normally think of an aministrator as a person who is administering the estate of a person who died without a will while an executor does the same task for a person who died with a will. Sometimes you will see the term "administrator(trix) d.b.n." or "adminstrator(trix) d.b.n.c.t.a.". This occurs when the named executor in a will either does not take out letters testamentary or has taken them out but either resigned, was removed, or died during the course of the administration of the estate. Then the replacement administrator is issued the letters previously mentioned and assumes that title in administering the estate." This doesn't directly answer your question, but it may help a bit. I've seen a lot of cases where a child or a son-in-law are given the letters of administration and a child tends to be the one named as an executor as well. (OK, I don't have a lot of data, only several dozen examples, so maybe I am extrapolating...) - Jeff R ---------- > From: HBGood@aol.com > Subject: who does inventories and witnesses wills? > Date: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 4:39PM > > I am stumped on a surname for a female line. All I have is a will and > inventory for an old (her description) widow from 1805. Her only surviving > son is the executor; don't know if there were any daughters. Who or what > relation might witnesses to the will be, and who might have done the > inventory? The names are not on the list of baptismal sponsors for her > grandchildren. One appears to be a neighbour, another was also a justice of > the peace. The other two also lived in the same township (Whitehall - Lehigh > Co). What have you folks found - friends or family? My limited info for > inventories I am sure of point to brother-in-law and neighbours. Of course, > often neighbours are family, but in that instance, nothing obvious has shown > up (yet). > Thanks for your suggestions > Heidi from Sugar Land TX

Seeking any information regarding Martin Shup (Schupp) who died Jan. 15, 1796 in Mt. Pleasant Twp. His children were Caty, Daniel, Anna Mary, Anna Elizabeth, Anna Barbara, Susanna, Rachel, Rebecca and John Martin. His wife was named Catharina Margaretha; they may have divorced. The family also lived in Hanover circa 1792-3. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Donna

Hi all I am stumped on a surname for a female line. All I have is a will and inventory for an old (her description) widow from 1805. Her only surviving son is the executor; don't know if there were any daughters. Who or what relation might witnesses to the will be, and who might have done the inventory? The names are not on the list of baptismal sponsors for her grandchildren. One appears to be a neighbour, another was also a justice of the peace. The other two also lived in the same township (Whitehall - Lehigh Co). What have you folks found - friends or family? My limited info for inventories I am sure of point to brother-in-law and neighbours. Of course, often neighbours are family, but in that instance, nothing obvious has shown up (yet). Thanks for your suggestions Heidi from Sugar Land TX

Does anyone remember clabber milk? Great with cinnamon and sugar. And how about Junket made with rennet tablets? Win

>ANY ONE REMEMBER A CERTYAIN KIND OF MOLLASSES THAT DISAPPEARED IN THE '60'S >THAT YOU PUT ON BUTTERED BREAD? CAN'T REPLACE THAT TASTE. > I think Turkey Syrup comes close, now. -Linnea *****How about "sorgum" ? Win in MN

To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:40:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Monday Was Warsh Day! Message-ID: <v0151010bb0326224542f@[204.186.37.7]> X-Status: New Joan Myers Young responded: >In a message dated 97-09-02 20:43:34 EDT, you write: > ><< My wife, who will be 60 in about 50 more days, still eats cottage cheese > with sugar on it. >> >And here I have been eating it all these years with apple butter. > >Joan Myers Young Is that "schmeark�se"?? (sp?) - [cottage cheese w/ apple butter] -Linnea My dad preferred schmearkase und kimmel. Win in MN

This is from the cookbook, "The Art of Pennsylvania Dutch Cooking" by Edna Eby Heller, Doubleday & Co., Garden City, NY, 1968. In the Pennsylvania Dutch dialect, apple butter is called lottwaerrick. The word is often linked with schmierkase, the Pennsylvania Dutch type of cottage cheese, and the two, according to some self-appointed authorities, should never be separated. It is true that rye bread is never any better than when it is spread with a thick layer of lottwaerrick and topped with schmierkase. It is a good combination for any kind of bread. Apple butter-boiling was a custom brought here from the Palatinate where other kinds of fruit were cooked in the same manner--many hours over the open fire. It calls for a party, when bushels of apples are made into gallons of apple butter in a process that lasts all day or even several days. Many hands are required to pare the apples, cut the schnitz (apple slices), and, last but not least, to stir and stir and stir some more. In past generations, apple butter-boiling time was the social event of the season when young couples gathered to take their turns in "schnitzing" and stirring. Although the apple butter is still boiled the same way, the younger generation seems no longer interested in "schnitzing parties!" APPLE BUTTER (Adapted Oven Method) (5 quarts) 1 peck sweet cooking apples 1 quart cider 1 quart water 10 cups sugar 2 teaspoons cinnamon 1/2 teaspoon cloves 1/2 teaspoon ground allspice Wash apples, rubbing thoroughly if they have been sprayed. Core and cut into eighths. (Do not peel.) Add cider and water and cook until apples are soft. Press through strainer. Put into a large kettle that will fit in your oven. (I use 2 roasters.) Mix in 5 cups of the sugar. Bake in 350 degree oven. Every half hour, stir with a wooden spoon. (A timer is an excellent reminder!) After an hour of cooking, add remaining sugar and spices. Cook 3 more hours or until the butter is thickened and dark red. Pour into sterilized jars and seal. SCHMIERKASE (Pennsylvania Dutch Cottage Cheese) Put a quart of milk into an earthen crock and keep in a warm place until it thickens. Put into a cheesecloth bag and hang up to drain. It should drain for at least a day. To the dry curds left in the bag, slowly add an equal amount of light cream, working it in until the cheese has a creamy consistency and is soft enough to spread on apple-butter bread. Add salt to suit your taste. vee

Now I'm a newcomer to this list, and I'm surprised. I'm currently from MN and I thought all those funny sayings like "Will you throw the garbage" and "What are you doing then" and "Anymore, I get up at six" were localisms. I think I can still claim "Yah, shure, ya betcha" and "It could be worse", tho'. We are well recognized since "Fargo" as thenational center for funny frases, and there's a whole paperbook devoted to "How to speak Minnesotan", but I didn't see an old movie "Throw mama from the train a kiss" , so I don't know much about PaD. Nevertheless, my AR granny said Warsh and Rinsch and my OK m-in-law called irises Orishes. And then there's the Californians who end everything with "huh?" In a way its a shame that TV is sort of standardizing our speech: youngsters with parents who have a drawl from somewhere usually speak straight (there's aDutch phrase and I didn't even try!) Win in MN

Here are my FARMER connections. Monroe L. FARMER b 8 Jun 1866, m 12 Aug 1888 Sallie K. ROYER b 15 Aug 1865 Lancaster Co, PA. He was a farmer and later an auto salesman in Lancaster, Lancaster Co, PA. They had the following children: Dallas R. FARMER b 16 Feb 1889 Lancaster Co, m Hattie SECOR. He was an engineer in Newburgh, NY. Ralph FARMER Laura R. FARMER b 25 Nov 1890 Lancaster Co, m Howard MILLER. Their children: Laberta MILLER Ruth MILLER Mary MILLER Mabel R. FARMER b 17 Jan 1892 Lancaster Co, PA, m Aug 1910 Edward SUPPLEE, a telegraph operator in Columbia, Lancaster Co. Helen SUPPLEE Edna R. FARMER b 6 Nov 1893 Lancaster Co, m 16 Dec 1911 George MELLINGER, a printer in Lancaster. Gladys MELLINGER Warren R. FARMER b 23 Jan 1895 Lancaster Co, d 1895 Elizabeth R. FARMER b 31 Mar 1897 Lancaster Co Roy R. FARMER b 31 Jan 1899 Lancaster Co Landis R. FARMER b 21 Sep 1901 Lancaster Co Olive R. FARMER b 16 Sep 1903 Lancaster Co Clayton R. FARMER b 19 Jun 1906 Lancaster Co. Any connections here to your FARMERs? I seek all descendants of Monroe FARMER and Sallie ROYER; they are also KEMPER descendants. I gladly will trade info on Sallie's ancestors for more FARMER info, also to include Monroe's ancestry. Hope this helps. Vic Kemper vicnjudy@zianet.com

Leaving out the "to be" is a dirivitive of the German influence. The German language does not use the progressive form that English does. > ---------- > From: JYoung6180@aol.com[SMTP:JYoung6180@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 10:12 AM > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com; housman@concentric.net; > lamparte@juno.com > Subject: Re: Warsh, Wrootchy & Dutchisms > > In a message dated 97-09-03 03:32:00 EDT, PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > writes: > > << You've given your mother's origins away - waRsh is a western PA > pronunciation. >> > Bob, I wouldn't say it is western PA--merely far enough west or north > of > Philadelphia to lose the city accent. By the time you get to > Lancaster > (which no one other than an area resident pronounces > correctly--LANK-ester > and not LAN-CAST-er) you pretty much here the WARSH dialect. I have > one to > add to your list--"the car needs washed" leaving out the "to be." > > Joan Myers Young >

If you have ever worked around a threshing machine or in a hay mow, you'd understand why GGrandpa said it "sure felt good!" When I was a youngster Sat was also the bath day at our house. The same galvanized wash tubs used on Mon for washing clothes was used on Sat for bathes. I also remember carrying water to be heated on the kerosene stove on Monday morning and the used wringer washing machine Dad bought for Mom. I also remember the vulgar expression used to describe people that got themselves in real trouble...they were said to have "their t__ in the wringer." I guess we were more prosperous. We had 3 sets of school clothes for the week. 2 for this week and one to put on Mon morn while the other 2 were being washed, but only one set of Sun clothes. Never had a new suit of Sun clothes till HS graduation and never had a new sport coat till after I was married. Always 2nd hand when the neighbor kids outgrew theirs. There were a lot of good things to remember about those days. Cheers, > ---------- > From: John and Barbara Ekiss[SMTP:jbekiss@worldnet.att.net] > Reply To: jbekiss@worldnet.att.net > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 9:33 AM > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Weekly bath > > Weekly bath day was Sat. in our family, had to be clean to go to > church. My family had only one set of work clothes for each week and > one set of going to church clothes. Mon > morning the clothes washed the previous Monday were put on and worn > until after the bath. > > Just realized how really dirty they must have > been! Now this in NY state in the 1870's (from GGrandpa's diaries) > but > I'm sure families were the same in PA. There is one story in the diary > about after threshing they went to the lake for a bath "Sure felt > good". > These stories have taken me back, we lived for 10 years near > Kulpsville > in Montgomery Co where we had many Mennonite neighbors. We had one > neighbor who EVERY morning hung all the bed linens from the 2nd story > window to air until after lunch. Barb >

Here is a little poem about HOGS By Marie Novinger HOGS ARE A PAIN No sadder words in all the world At break of dawn's first light No madder way to start the day No more distressing sight Sow's in the bean patch Pigs all about The boar in the roses With buds on his snout The day may be summy With bird-song about It's raining confusion The hogs are out!!!!!! Gordon

"We had one neighbor who EVERY morning hung all the bed linens from the 2nd story > window to air until after lunch." > Still done that way all over Germany. > ---------- > From: John and Barbara Ekiss[SMTP:jbekiss@worldnet.att.net] > Reply To: jbekiss@worldnet.att.net > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 9:33 AM > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Weekly bath > > Weekly bath day was Sat. in our family, had to be clean to go to > church. My family had only one set of work clothes for each week and > one set of going to church clothes. Mon > morning the clothes washed the previous Monday were put on and worn > until after the bath. > > Just realized how really dirty they must have > been! Now this in NY state in the 1870's (from GGrandpa's diaries) > but > I'm sure families were the same in PA. There is one story in the diary > about after threshing they went to the lake for a bath "Sure felt > good". > These stories have taken me back, we lived for 10 years near > Kulpsville > in Montgomery Co where we had many Mennonite neighbors. We had one > neighbor who EVERY morning hung all the bed linens from the 2nd story > window to air until after lunch. Barb >

Gin, your part of Ohio really is little Switzerland. When we visited there a few years back that was my impression. I keep hoping to get back that way to do more research on our lines. Cousin Pat in Fort Wayne