For your information, I just noticed that when Nicholas HOLLINGER died, the inventory of his estate was made by Jacob EBERSOLL and Philip HESS on 23 Dec 1784. vee

Dear "Many-Cousin" Jack! Sorry I can't tell you who the parents are of Fredrick HESS. However, your Philip HOLLINGER's father Nicholas (1720-1785), was the brother of my Christophal HOLLINGER. In the unlikely event that you don't have the information, I have a copy "Hollinger Family Lineage" as compiled by Robert Terry KAUFFMAN in 1963. It covers the lineage as follows: Jacob HOLLINGER to son Nicholas (md Catherine Elizabeth [ ? ]) to son Philip (md Elizabeth HESS) to son John (md (1) Elizabeth GROVE, (2) Margaret A. LOGUE) to son Daniel (md Hannah Stephey SINGER). He then lists all(?) of their children and grandchildren who married into the MIDDOUR, LESHER, KIPE, KAUFFMAN, DOWNEY, CLOPPER, MINNICH, HOLLYDAY families. I have the suspicion that you are related somehow through Maud Catherine (CLOPPER) DOWNEY. Anyone interested in this HOLLINGER line, let me know. vee

I was just waiting for mention of a spoon holder. My grandmother Alta Belle Howerter always had a spoon holder in the center of her table. I received this when her estate was settled. It is cut glass and decidedly well used. I wouldn't part with it! "Thanks for the memories." Joan dnj@netins.net ---------- > From: Frannie <frfg@worldnet.att.net> > To: HeydtRiPa@aol.com > Cc: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Table setting > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 7:30 PM > > My grandmother used " middle things" salt, pepper, sugar, spoon holder > with spoons. I loved that spoon holder and when I married it was given > to me.

Hi rod, Noted on the pa dutch list that you are looking for HESS ancestors. I have only one HESS ancestor that I am aware of, Descendants of ELIZABETH HESS 1 ELIZABETH HESS Married at Trinty Luth., Lancaster 8/1/1797 .. +JOHANN GEORGE DEIMLER ......... 2 ANNA DEIMLER 1799 - ......... 2 PHILLIP DEIMLER 1801 - 1835 ......... 2 GEORGE DEIMLER 1803 - 1832 ......... 2 JOHN DEIMLER 1807 - 1878 ............. +SUSAN MOYER - 1896 That all I have but of course would welcome more. Looking for: DEIMLER, ANDREWS, AUNGST, GAULT, GINGRICH, HESS, KOHR, KREISER, MATEER, MEINSLER, MOYER, RUNKEL/RUNKLE, ALL PA OF LANCASTER, BERKS, LEBANON AND DAUPHIN COUNTIES. Bill Deimler bdeimler@wazoo.com

Could this be fershtein? Understand? Maxard@aol.com wrote: > I was always asked after a good talking to, FERSTAY? My spelling, but I knew > it meant UNDERSTAND?

In a message dated 9/4/97 2:45:20 PM, timothy-shipe@uiowa.edu wrote: <<The term "Pennsylvania Dutch" does not come from a corruption of the German word "Deutsch." Instead, it represents a survival of an otherwise archaic meaning of the English word "Dutch.">>... Ok, now I look dumb!! ROFL!! Who was it who set me up for this?? Just kidding - thanks much for the answer to this one, Timothy. <smile> Julia in Colorado

I thought the "Dutch" in Pennsylvania-Dutch stemmed from Deutsch?

Thanks to C. A. Allen, Homer G. Benton, Kathleen K. Hale and Alan R. Rockwell Jr. for answering my questions about the English legal system and the sending of prisoners to America for punishment. The following is a compilation of these answers: "Court of Oyer and Terminer" A commission authorizing a judge to hear and pass sentence in a criminal case. The court or assize was established to have jurisdiction over a particular region. "Dorset, Somerset and Devon" Counties in the Southwest corner of England "sentence enrolled" The date when the sentence was carried out. There is less consensus on what "war" these men were engaged in against the King. The Irish "Great Rebellion" had been put down in 1652 by Cromwell who rewarded his soldiers with land taken from the Irish. Because of the savagery with which this rebellion had been put down, the English authorities thought that they had stopped Irish rebellions for good. They were soon proved wrong when new trouble started after the death of Charles II King of England in 1685. He was succeeded by James II. The native Irish supported James because they thought that he would restore their lands to them. Their support for James got them into trouble again when William of Orange was installed as King by powerful English nobles and went to war to dethrone James. In 1688 William defeated James who fled to France and began plans to regain the throne. He was later defeated again in Ireland by William at the battle of the Boyne in 1690. This is all very interesting but how do these events fit in with the hapless prisoners who arrived in America in 1691? If anyone wants to read the account that this was taken from, it can be seen at: http://home.eznet.net/~kinsella/history/hist17.htm Ken Walter

JACKCLOPPE@aol.com wrote: > > Enough already, bitte! I tend to agree with this sentiment about the warsh, which has gone on quite a while, but it brings up another one: is 'Enough already' Pa Dutch? My father, who is PD, says this, but for some reason I thought of it as a Yiddishism. The two languages are not unrelated of course. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ

Thanks for the responses that you read me, it is nice to be here again, have been too busy all summer to write. I just wanted to send a poem I found in an old book, I thought it was nice, hope you all like it: It had no title, it just says "With the poet we know that: They loved, but the story we cannot unfold; They scorned, but the heart of the haughty is cold; They grieved, but no wail from their slumbers will come; They joyed, but the tongue of thier gladness is dumb; And we that are left may remember that We are the same as our fathers have been We see the same sights our fathers have seen; We drink the same stream, we view the same sun; And shall run the same course our fathers have run, Leaving others perchance to note the incidents in our lives and record the work of our hands. We are the "others" guys! Mary

Hi Everyone, Ed, I furschad (sp?) that sentence real good. That's the way I talk. I use to work in near Philly. I use to get some people angry because they thought I was done talking and I still had the other part of the sentence to go. Now I have one guy at my job that has a fit every once in while on the way I talk. I told him I'm just a Pa-dutch country girl and this is how I talk. (stop laughing Linda) I use bruzen (sp?) all the time. The 1st time my husband hear that one he shook his head. He's German. Bruzen mean crying. How about gretzen (complaining, wineing). Anyone know what a goch goch is? My grandfather always had us eating these. With vinegar on them. Candy Pennsburg, Montg. Co., Pa.

In a message dated 97-09-04 16:32:34 EDT, you write: << Junket made with rennet tablets >> Haven't heard that mentioned in eons! Can still feel the texture of it in my mouth! Was a favorite dessert in our household. Jane

Seeking descendants of John Martin SPIEGAL (various spellings), born ca 1730 in Germany, married ca 1760 in Northampton Co. PA, died 1805 in Lincoln Co. TN. Married Sarah Nan JARRETT (daughter of John JARRETT). When was she born? When died? Also seeking any information on Samuel SPIEGEL who took the Oath of Allegiance at the age of 33 on Oct. 17, 1741. He arrived at the Port of Philadelphia on the Ship Molly from Rotterdam. What happened to him after this? What family connection, if any, was there between Johannes Remigius SPIEGEL, John Michall SPIEGEL, John Martin SPIEGEL, Dr. Christopher Henrick Fredrick SPIEGEL (all of whom first settled in Bucks/Northampton County PA) and Samuel SPIEGEL? Any help would be appreciated. Charles Spegal Huachuca City, AZ kiva@sinosa.com

When you mentioned "silver knitting needles with a kind of hook on the end," do you mean a crochet hook? One is used instead of several as in knitting. Usually those "doilies" and "antimacassers" (on the chair back) and table cloths etc are crocheted. Win in MN On Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:26:06 -0700 Ed Hake <bear@centercomp.com> writes: > > Hi all > > ...all this great talk about the PD goodies ... > > ...does anyone else rember "Pickleverst (sp)and Kale... Loved >the >pickleverst..hated the Kale...<grin> > > ...Also does any one remember heavy starching those hand made >"Doilleys(sp)... those things that went under anything that went on >the >tables or counters of highly polished wood... > > ...they had to be "warshed" every week and starched and draped >over the >gallon coffiee cans and fluffed as they dried so they would have the >wavey >look on the outside and the flat surface in the center... > > ...and those balls of (I thought string) twine that those >little silver >knitting type needles (shorter and had a hook like tip) clattered as >those >nimble fingers made the most amazing designs and various shapes... >some for >the head rest portion of the chairs... so the "Bear Grease" on your >head >would not stain the chair... to even table cloths that when they were >put >on the table the polished wood under made the fantastic design show >thru... > > ...Wow...I havent thought of that stuff for years... > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > | Ed Hake bear@centercomp.com | > | Alden-VT,NY,MN/ Denney/Denny-VA,KY,IN,OR/ Farwell-NY,MN/ | > | Hoech/H�ch/Hock/Hake-Hanau H.Germany,PA,WI,MN/ | > | Hathaway-MN,WA,OR,Australia/ Hicklin-VA,IN,OR/ | > | King-IN,OR/ Walling/Wallen-MA,CT,NY,VA,IL,OR/ | > | http://www.centercomp.com/bear/ | > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > >

Enough already, bitte!

My grandfather always considered himself German. Yes, BEATTY is Irish, but most of his ancestors were German. (I don't know if they're considered PA Dutch). Most of them lived in Armstrong Co, PA. 1. William James BEATTY (fought in Tunisia in WWII) b. 5 Apr 1921, Warren, OH m1. 23 Jul 1941, Aberdeen, WA d. 26 May 1992, Central Point, OR Ruth Elizabeth JOHNSON Still living PARENTS 2. Paul Edgar BEATTY b. 27 Jun 1898, Leechburg, PA m. Dec 1916, Leechburg, PA? d. 16 Jun 1946, Leechburg, PA 3. Margaret Ellen NULPH b. abt 1899, Pennsylvania d. 12 Aug 1935, Loomis, CA (bur. Rocklin, CA) GRANDPARENTS 4. Daniel Craig BEATTY b. abt 1871, Armstrong Co, PA m. abt 1894, Armstrong Co, PA? d. 1926 or 1929, Leavittsburg, OH 5. Mary Elizabeth WALTENBAUGH b. abt 1877, Armstrong Co, PA? d. Sep 1954, Pittsburg, CA 6. James A(braham?) NULPH 7. Mary Leona PLATT GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 8. Dave BEATTY b. abt 1847, Armstrong Co, PA? m. abt 1870, Armstrong Co, PA? d. 11 Dec 1921, Massillon, OH (died at Massillon St. Hospital) 9. Emily (Jane?) BRUNER b. abt 1850, Armstrong Co, PA? d. bef 1906, Armstrong Co, PA? 10. Lewis Alexander WALTENBAUGH b. 2 Jul 1850, Armstrong Co, PA m. aft Apr 1865, Armstrong Co, PA? d. 11 Nov 1939, Leechburg, PA 11. Nancy Jane ZELL, ZELLE or ZELLEFROW (poss. Dutch Patroon descendant) b. Jun 1850, Armstrong Co, PA? d. 1917, Leechburg, PA 12. Abraham NULPH 13. Emma GAMMON 2nd GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 16. Samuel W(illiam?) BEATTY b. 1824, Armstrong Co, PA d. Tarentum, PA 17. Mary MOTT 20. John Adam WALTENBAUGH b. 21 Nov 1821, Little Germany, PA 21. Barbara KLINGENSMITH b. 11 Nov 1820, Armstrong Co, PA? d. 1900, Leechburg, PA? 24. Jacob NULPH 26. Arthur GAMMON (came from France 1848) 3rd GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 32. William BEATTY b. 1785, PA or IRE d. 1867, Armstrong Co, PA 33. Isabella COLWELL (COLEWELL or COLDWELL?) b. 1789 d. 1873 40. Jacob WALTENBAUGH 41. Anna Maria ? 42. John Peter KLINGENSMITH b. 7 Jun 1786, Pennsylvania d. 1863 43. Margarett KLINGENSMITH b. 30 Oct 1786 48. Henry NOLF d. Dec 1831 49. Mary Magdalena ? 4th GREAT-GRANDARENTS 84. John Peter KLINGENSMITH b. 15 Apr 1755 d. Mar 1818 85. Anna Margaretta SPAHR 96. Casper NOLF b. abt 1731, Germany or PA d. 1 Feb 1837, Eddyville, PA 97. Philippina (Phoebe?) ? b. abt 1733 d. 11 Nov 1836, Eddyville, PA 5th GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 168. John Peter KLINGENSMITH b. 1729 d. 1790-1800 169. Maria Elizabeth KAUFFER 192. Laurenz (Laurentius) NOLF b. 20 Dec 1702, Grossgartach, DEU m. 31 Aug 1728, Leingarten, DEU d. bef 1762 193. Anna Maria WERNER b. 4 Jul 1707, Grossgartach, DEU 6th GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 384. Laurenz (Laurentius) NOLFF b. 11 Aug 1677, Grossgartach, DEU m. 14 2 1699, Grossgartach, DEU d. 14 Mar 1742, Grossgartach, DEU 385. Alizabetha LINDENMAYER b. 11 Mar 1678, Grossgartach, DEU d. 17 Jan 1755, Grossgartach, DEU 386. Phillip WERNER b. 12 Mar 1679, Grossgartach, DEU m. 14 Nov 1699, Biberach, DEU d. 13 Sep 1753, Grossgartach, DEU 387. Anna Margaretha b. 7 Aug 1675, Grossgartach, DEU d. 28 Feb 1743, Grossgartach, DEU 7th GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 768. Johann Carolus NOLFF b. 27 Jan 1650, Grossgartach, DEU m. 7 Mar 1671, Grossgartach, DEU d. 25 Oct 1710, Grossgartach, DEU 769. Catharina BREMMER b. 13 Feb 1649, Grossgartach, DEU d. bef. 13 Nov 1688, Grossgartach, DEU 770. Jerg LINDENMAYER 771. Anna Maria GOLDBERGER 772. Wendel WERNER 773. Regina MÜLLER 8th GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 1536. Hanß Wendel NOLFF b. 13 Dec 1625, Grossgartach, DEU m. 30 Jun 1648, Grossgartach, DEU d. 25 Sep 1675, Grossgartach, DEU 1537. Anna Auberger b. 16 Jan 1624, Grossgartach, DEU d. 4 Jun 1670, Grossgartach, DEU 1538. Johann BREMMER 1539. Anna Elisabeth HESER 9th GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 3072. Hannß NOLFF b. 4 Aug 1591, Grossgartach, DEU m. 6 Jun 1620, Grossgartach, DEU d. 25 Oct 1626, Grossgartach, DEU 3073. Ann RIECKHER b. 18 Maz 1595, Grossgartach, DEU 3074. Phillipp AUBERGER 10th GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 6144. Lorenz NOLFF b. abt 1563 m. 6 Sep 1590, Grossgartach, DEU 6145. Anna SCHNEPF b. 16 May 1566, Grossgartach, DEU d. 24 Oct 1626, Grossgartach, DEU 6146. Hannß RIEKHER 6147. Catharina MARSTALLER 11th GREAT-GRANDPARENTS 12288. Hans NOLFF 12290. Wendel SCHNEPF 12291. Anna ?

I agree with Avril, we have been " warshing " for over a week. Our grandmothers did it in a day!. We could take lessons in speed from her.

My grandmother used " middle things" salt, pepper, sugar, spoon holder with spoons. I loved that spoon holder and when I married it was given to me.

Hi All!! I've really enjoyed our "sideline" comments while I've been trying to update my family trees. This is quite a job and there's always something else to add or correct!! <G> My husband's tree has really grown in the past year, so I thought I'd share some of it with you all (yu'ns?? <G>) in hopes that there is a connection! Please e-mail me if you think there is something here. Most all of these people stayed in the Lebanon Co PA area. Thanks for your help! -Linnea P.S. Mike's dad is Richard Edwin Miller in generation 4. --------------------------------- Descendants of John Miller 1 John Miller Abt 1813 - . +Eliza ? Abt 1808 - ........ 2 Henry Miller Abt 1835 - ........ 2 Adam Miller Abt 1841 - ........ 2 Mary Miller Abt 1844 - ........ * 2 John Adam Miller 1846 - 1892 ............ +Louisa Brewer 1852 - 1917 ................... 3 Clarissa Louise Miller 1872 - 1944 ....................... +Edwin Fox .............................. 4 Edwin Fox .............................. 4 Kathryn Fox ................... 3 George Christopher Miller 1874 - 1951 ....................... +Carrie E. Treida 1877 - 1923 .............................. 4 Margaret E. Miller 1917 - 1952 ................... *2nd Wife of George Christopher Miller: ....................... +Catherine E. Faber 1861 - 1912 .............................. 4 Raymond G. Miller 1897 - 1915 ................... 3 John Alvin Miller 1875 - ................... 3 Lloyd Brewer Miller 1877 - ................... 3 Martin Luther Miller 1879 - 1951 ....................... +Ida Sanders .............................. 4 Martin Luther Miller 1903 - .................................. +Marion Kintzer ................... * 3 Arthur Shultz Miller 1881 - 1946 ....................... +Lottie Grace Grumbein 1883 - 1939 .............................. 4 William Grumbein Miller 1906 - 1958 .................................. +Helen Runkel .............................. 4 Sarah Louise Miller 1909 - 1992 .................................. +James Lannon 1912 - 1977 .............................. 4 Marion Grace Miller 1912 - 1996 .................................. +Elwood Loy 1907 - 1993 .............................. 4 Arthur Shultz Miller 1913 - 1985 .................................. +June Blouch 1914 - 1976 .............................. 4 James Ditzler Miller 1914 - .................................. +Rhoda Hartman .............................. 4 Robert Henry Miller 1917 - 1917 .............................. *4 Richard Edwin Miller 1919 - 1976 .................................. +Mary Rita Sendelbach 1918 - 1988 .............................. 4 George Vincent Miller 1920 - 1921 .............................. 4 Charles Warren Miller 1925 - .................................. +Pearl Blouch ................... *2nd Wife of Arthur Shultz Miller: ....................... +Edna Embich Sarge ................... 3 Mary Rebecca Miller 1882 - ....................... +Miles A. Whitmeyer .............................. 4 Helen Whitmeyer .............................. 4 Louisa Whitmeyer .............................. 4 Paul Whitmeyer ................... 3 Howard Leroy Miller 1883 - 1957 ....................... +Pearl Boltz .............................. 4 Lorraine Miller ................... 3 Harry Miller 1885 - ....................... +Sue ? .............................. 4 Nancy Miller .................................. +Carl Hollingsworth ................... 3 Homer Miller 1887 - 1888 ................... 3 Edwin Collins Miller 1887 - 1980 ....................... +Florence Beaver ................... 3 Helen Miller 1890 - 1933 ....................... +Ed Hume ----------------------------------------------- Now John Adam MILLER's wife, Louisa BREWER's: Descendants of Thomas Brewer 1 Thomas Brewer 1785? - 1829 . +Anna Maria Stroh 1795 - ........ 2 Matilda Brewer 1817 - ........ 2 Thomas Brewer 1818 - ........ 2 John Brewer 1820 - 1891 ............ +Mary Wendling 1820 - 1898 ................... 3 Caroline Brewer 1850 - 1935 ....................... +John George Waltz 1845 - 1919 .............................. 4 Ramon Waltz .............................. 4 Caroline Waltz 1868 - .............................. 4 Oskar Franklin Waltz 1870 - .............................. 4 Clara Jesse Waltz 1872 - .............................. 4 Lottie May Waltz 1874 - .............................. 4 Mary E. Waltz 1876 - .................................. +Horace Z. Light .............................. 4 Martin Luther Waltz 1876 - .............................. 4 Sallie Waltz 1882 - .............................. 4 Nellie Waltz 1887 - 1888 .............................. 4 Ada Irene Waltz 1889 - 1893 .............................. 4 Pearl Waltz 1891 - ................... 3 Louisa Brewer 1852 - 1917 ....................... +John Adam Miller 1846 - 1892 [See above for this descendancy] ................... 3 John Clemens Brewer 1854 - 1928 ....................... +Louisa C. Trump 1857 - 1921 ................... 3 Lizzie Brewer 1856 - ....................... +John H. Peters ................... 3 Jacob Brewer 1858 - ....................... +Rosa Boger ................... 3 Rosanna Brewer 1868 - ....................... +Benjamin Young ........ 2 Jacob Brewer 1822 - ........ 2 Benjamin Brewer 1825 - ........ 2 Israel Brewer 1826 - ........ 2 Guidion Brewer 1827 - ............ +Lydia Umberger ................... 3 Annie Brewer ....................... +? Coates ................... 3 Barbra Brewer ....................... +? Montgomery ................... 3 John A. Brewer - 1912 .............................. 4 Charles H. Brewer .............................. 4 Clarence Brewer .............................. 4 Mable Brewer .............................. 4 Minnie M. Brewer .............................. 4 Miriam Brewer .............................. 4 Naoma Brewer ................... 3 Mary Ann Elizabeth Brewer ................... 3 Thomas J. Brewer 1854 - ....................... +Elizabeth C. Hunsicker .............................. 4 Clayton W. Brewer 1872 - 1915 .................................. +Lydia Ann Kramer 1873 - 1917 .............................. 4 John G. Brewer 1872 - .............................. 4 Elizabeth Brewer 1873 - .................................. +Harry Parker .............................. 4 Harvey E. Brewer 1874 - .................................. +Ella Zearing .............................. 4 Harry T. Brewer Abt 1878 - .................................. +Leah Yinger .............................. 4 Henry Brewer Abt 1880 - Abt 1900 .............................. 4 George A. Brewer 1883 - .............................. 4 Ella Virgie Brewer 1886 - 1921 .................................. +Samuel Peter Little 1883 - .............................. 4 Adam G. Brewer 1889 - 1941 .................................. +Lizzie Zearing 1869 - 1909 .............................. *2nd Wife of Adam G. Brewer: .................................. +Anna V. Bordner 1889 - 1941 ........ 2 Mary Ann Brewer 1829 - - ----------------------------

I'm just surprized a simple question caused some critisism. I really thought that there had been a decision made to change the content of the list; that I was unaware of, that's why I asked. I will know in future - not to. Avril Woodard, Larry wrote: > > Well Avril, I guess you just have to be careful where you walk, to make > sure you don't step in somethin'. > > Nicht War? > > Cheers, > > > ---------- > > From: Avril Yoachim[SMTP:ayoachim@thecni.com] > > Reply To: ayoachim@thecni.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 1997 8:51 AM > > To: weeez@concentric.net > > Cc: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Recipes & PA expressions ?? > > > > Oh, so I didn't miss a message on the change of content for this list. > > Gee, I only asked a simple question, about the tracing of family > > roots. > > I don't think it's a question of me needing to *lighten up*. > > I would love to know the history of my ancestors - the stories, the > > hardships, the way of living, and yes, even the food. But I guess I > > made a mistake and was thinking that sort of history would have taken > > place more than 50 years ago. Ed Book submitted a letter to the list > > on > > the possible German origins of the words that have been passed down > > through the generations...I saved that. It is excellent. I myself > > found a wonderful book *Pioneer Gardens at Black Creek Pioneer > > Village* > > which describes the gardening techniques and the usages of plants by > > the > > early settlers of Ontario....the Pennsylvania Dutch that migrated to > > Ontario.....200years ago. So my interest is more than just names and > > dates. > > I guess I didn't think of *warsh* as being historical or PA Dutch > > since > > the maritimes (Nova Scotia) has always pronouned it that way. > > My apologies > > Avril > > > > > > If you are of PD heritage, this IS about genealogy. This list is > > very > > > diversified, and your ancestors used these terms, and ate these > > foods.. > > > isn't it rather interestiing to learn more than just the "names and > > > dates" of the preceding generations? After all, this was a strong > > group > > > of folks, and many of the old traditions and foods survive to this > > > generation, and, I believe, will survive for many more. > > > I hope that this list never changes; I have learned more about my > > > ancestors than just their names... provided here is a glimpse into > > how > > > they survived from day to day, and how 'tough' they were! > > > Hope that you can learn to adapt the information that's shared here > > into > > > a more knowledgable history of your own family, and .... lighten up! > > > Regards, > > > Louise > > > > > > Thomas Shontz wrote: > > > > > > > I agree-all these messages, and none about genealogy! > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > On Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:55:33 -0700 Avril Yoachim > > <ayoachim@thecni.com> > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > >Did I miss a change in the content for this mail list? > > > > >Is genealogy (tracing of family roots) no longer the subject for > > > > >Penna-Dutch? > > > > >Just wondering. > > > > >I really think it's a great idea to have one mail list > > specifically > > > > >for > > > > >recipes, sayings, and other paraphanelia and then another list > > for > > > > >surname searches. This way a person could join one or the other > > (or > > > > >both) depending on their interest. > > > > >Avril > > > > > > > > > > > >