x-no-archive: yes I have the following and will do lookups. It gives name, volume/page number, and year. Please Email privately. Bedford County, PA 1771- 1900 Westmoreland County, PA 1773- 1896 D

junket and pudding were always in the fridge. I think we used the instant stuff. The texture was something else. It could slide off the spoon. rod

I found this data in the LDS records. I did not verify the data. I am interested in learning more about these people. Children of George Sager and Maria Elizabeth Sheets Source LDS Recors Birth Data Sager George ~1773 PA, Warwick, Lancaster Sager Abraham ~1787 VA, Loudon Co Sager Rebecca ~1789 VA, Loudon Co Sager Jacob 01/13/1781 VA, Loudon Co Sager John 01/20/1768 PA, Warwick, Lancaster Sager Barbara 02/12/1783 VA, Loudon Co Sager Frederick 03/29/1774 PA, Warwick, Lancaster Sager James Henry 04/02/1785 VA, Loudon Co Sager Samuel 06/6/1778 PA, Cumberland Sager Christian 09/22/1770 PA, Warwick, Lancaster Ruth Lilly PO Box 115 Hartford, IA 50118 RuLilly@aol.com

PENNA-DUTCH-D Digest Volume 97 : Issue 110 #3 SHEETS Family [catmandu@cport.com (Kevin Haddenh I did not receive a complete post for this issue. Would someone e-mail me a copy of item 3 regarding Sheets family. Ruth Lilly PO Box 115 Hartford IA 50118 RuLilly@aol.com

I have Bucks County Declarations and Naturalizations 1802 - 1906 and if anybody wants me to look up names for them, I will as I have time.

Hi, guys. I'm new to your list, and hope you might be able to help me. The lines I am looking for are ERVIN and STRUNK. I believe most if not all of those below lived in and/or were born in Luzerne Co. Albert Fisher ERVIN, b. 9 Oct 1839 in PA. Married: Marietta STRUNK Children: Edward ERVIN, b. abt 1867; Ella Mae ERVIN, b. 28 Dec 1871, Luzerne Co. PA; Sadie ERVIN, b. 1878. If any of you has connections with or knowledge of this family, I'd be happy to hear from you. Thanks a lot. Julia in Colorado Springs

Linda Muessig <lmuessig@ptdprolog.net> >Could this be fershtein? Understand? >Maxard@aol.com wrote: >> I was always asked after a good talking to, FERSTAY? My spelling, but I knew >> it meant UNDERSTAND? Somebody else previously pointed out that the Standard German for this was versteh, which is pronounced approx. fur-shtay. The wide varieties of English spellings that we're using here in trying to write the same PA Dutch word that is so familiar to us, is similar to the wide variety of English spellings that English clerks used to try to write Pa Dutch surnames. Consider the similarity of the above spellings with the surname spellings in this previous query to PA DUTCH: Elizabeth Staman <Ominer@aol.com> wrote several months ago: >I am trying to unravel several Lancaster Co. PA names and figure out mine! >The spelling variations are: >STEMEN, STAMAN, STAYMAN, STONEMAN, STEINMAN, STANMAN >Where STONEMAN and STEINMAN pronounced like "Stemen" in the 1700s or just >poorly spelled by someone?? Or are they entirely different names... (Note: STONEMAN is translation of STEINMAN, while the others probably represent attempts to spell the German STEINMAN with English spelling rules.) If we pay attention to all the variations that we're using in spelling Shmearkayse, shtroobley, etc., we can probably pick up some insight regarding the how's and why's of the spelling variations that occur in our PA DUTCH surnames in the 1700's and later. By the way, I think this is a good argument for the premise of this list that PA Dutch genealogy is best when it doesn't take place in a cultural vacuum. Ed Book

Tim, My family is from Canada and came from the Pennsylvania area as United Empire Loyalists. They were of German descent. I grew up saying a table grace in unison although it changed several times as we got older. The last one we said before I married and left home was: Oh Lord bless this food to our use and make us truly thankful. I have continued a unison table grace throughout the raising of my family. Loraine lpertelt@tenet.edu Humble, TX

My grandmother spoon holder was cut glass also. I wouldn't part with it either.

i remember table grace in unison, in fact we still say grace this way. What I remember most is my grandmother saying grace in German. Does anyone know it? I would love to have the words to it.

My grandmother Lena Egger Felter always starched and waved her doilies. Of course she crocheted them first. This list reminds me of So many things I remember about her. I believe that good thoughts and memories are meant to be prayers for the dead. I pray for her a lot.

Bob, you are absolutely correct about WUNNERNAS. I think wunnerfitzich may fit the bill for busy bodies also. When I was a youngster, I recall my grandfather reading a PD column in the Middleburg Post, Snyder County, PA., weekly newspaper. I think it was written by someone in Reading, PA. That weekly article was very funny, especially if you heard it in PD. I think the article was entitled either Wunnerfitzich or Wunnernas......something like that. I tried to translate bits and pieces but it was a total loss. Don't think my mother and father wanted me to learn PD. Maybe some of you new subscribers have something on HOUSER/LEPLEY/MARKEL/SPECHT/STETLER. Haven't received information on any of these names for a long time. Bill Stetler

Is anyone familiar with the following table grace? "Lord bless the food which now we take; And this we ask for Jesus' sake." This came down through the Brosius side of my family. I do not know whether it is originally an English prayer, or whether it might be a translation from High German or Pennsylvania Dutch. Several members of this Brosius branch were Lutheran ministers who studied at the seminary in Gettysburg in the late 19th/early 20th centuries, and one of them might have introduced the prayer into the family. The most distinctive thing about this grace was the way we said it, everyone at the table speaking in unison, with no one in particular leading the prayer. Does anyone else remember saying grace in this way? Could it be a custom of Pennsylvania Dutch origin? Tim Shipe timothy-shipe@uiowa.edu

<< ...and those balls of (I thought string) twine that those little silver knitting type needles (shorter and had a hook like tip) clattered as those nimble fingers made the most amazing designs and various shapes. >> This sounds like tatting to me -- something my PD granny did *all the time* using bobbins and special thread, (cotton, but not "stretchy" like yarn). I can recall writing tatting patterns on a blackboard so that Granny could follow them. Unfortunately, although I could knit just fine, all attempts to teach me the fine points of tatting ended in hilarious laughter and a few fingers well-anchored to each other! (Well, at least it wasn't as bad as the time we tried to make taffy -- we barely rescued the spoon before the whole mess turned to rock candy!) Oops, sorry, just re-read Ed's description and decided he may be talking about crochet hooks after all... I still think tatting was more mysterious, even though I could not crochet, either! Anne Lurie St. George, Vermont

Rod, Do you want any HESS name anywhere? I have a line in Ala. that seems to run into Tenn and Ga. Elaine May (bufflow@bellsouth.net)

Rod, attached is my Hans Hess family. Only good distaff string connects to Richard W Davis's Stauffer material where Barbara Stauffer, b-19 Sep 1767 marries into my Schenks at Warwick, LancCoPa. New Hess question: Do you have parents for Fredrick Hess, b-bef 1740, bur 1784 at Big Swatara Ch of the Brethren, Derry, DauphinCoPa. I included his family in .ged. His dau Elizabeth, m. my Philip Hollinger who d-5 Sept 1821 nr Waynesboro, FranCoPa. Jack

Nancy- You are correct - that's what I am SAYING. However, note that I don't have my listing for Powell/Paul Wertz's children with me, so I don't know that this is "our" Powell Wertz -- I just suspect so! - Jeff P.S. It will be more peaceful for a little while now. This is my last email before I leave for the plane. By, all! ---------- > From: NLPeche@aol.com > To: Rinscheid, Jeffrey (msmail dirsync) > Cc: irhonda@wctc.net; PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com; cbrown@cub.kcnet.org > Subject: Re: Is Paul WERTZ the father of GEORGE WERTZ, SR.? > Date: Friday, September 05, 1997 10:39AM > > In a message dated 97-09-05 10:30:06 EDT, you write: > > > Subj: Re: Is Paul WERTZ the father of GEORGE WERTZ, SR.? > > Date: 97-09-05 10:30:06 EDT > > From: jrinscheid@lucent.com > > To: irhonda@wctc.net, NLPeche@aol.com > > CC: cbrown@cub.kcnet.org, cbrown@oak.kcsd.k12.pa.us > > Jeff, > > So you are saying the Paul WERTZ informaton I sent whose son was John J. > WERTZ is correct and he was the brother of Georger WERTZ, SR.? Now we have > three sources saying that the son's were all born in GERMANY!!! I wonder if > there is a record of Paul WERTZ coming to America? Do we have a > naturalization for him? I have to look and see what I have in my records? > > Nancy~ > > > > > Dear Forgetful Witchie Poo, > > > > You ARE getting old, aren't you? > > > > You also know of Paul (Powell) Wertz, born 1745 or 1747, brother of > > George, Sr.... > > - Jeff R > > Ow, ow! She poked me in the eye with a pointy stick! STOP IT! > > > > P.S. Carson doesn't HAVE to have a clue. He's a judge, not a detective. > > Oh wait - that would be his VOCATION. But if we talk AVOCATION.... > > while we're at it, soon I can talk about A VACATION.... this is all > > SOOOO complicated.... > > ---------- > > > From: Rhonda Neibauer > > > To: NLPeche@aol.com > > > Cc: Rinscheid, Jeffrey (msmail dirsync); cbrown@oak.kcsd.k12.pa.us; > > > cbrown@cub.kcnet.org > > > Subject: Re: Is Paul WERTZ the father of GEORGE WERTZ, SR.? > > > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 11:58PM > > [snip] > > > > Nancy ~ > > > Okay, now I am lost! I wish I had all this info in front of me like you > > > do and then I would read it all and not share anything until I had > > > answers!! No pressure there Nancy!! 8^) The only John I have in my > > > records in the son of Geo Sr. The only to Pauls I have are Paul Sr > > > b.19NOV1825 and his son Paul (POWELL) . Granted I have not added all > > > the last 4-5 days worth of data to my records--will do soon, but I don't > > > know where you are pulling this one from. > > > > > > Carson, do you have a clue?? > > > > > > --Witchie Poo > > > > >

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This is from the "History of Northumberland County", Herbert C. Bell, 1891 "F. T. REED, builder and contractor, is the senior member Of REED and FAUST. He is the son of Moses and Maria (KANTER) REED, natives of Schuylkill Co., Pa. and was born at Schuylkill Haven, Pa. Oct. 6, 1845." It goes on to say that he married Rebecca, daughter of John Dress. Chidren were Alice Evans, Adelia, John, Robert, Sallie, Frank, Bessie, Edna, Nelson, and Clara. I am trying to find the parents of Moses REED. Could he be the son of Jacob and Rebecca REED? No, my Moses was not married to Faitta. Any help greatly appreciated. I could not find a mailing address for Schulkill Co. or I would have included it. Gwen

In a message dated 97-09-05 10:30:06 EDT, you write: > Subj: Re: Is Paul WERTZ the father of GEORGE WERTZ, SR.? > Date: 97-09-05 10:30:06 EDT > From: jrinscheid@lucent.com > To: irhonda@wctc.net, NLPeche@aol.com > CC: cbrown@cub.kcnet.org, cbrown@oak.kcsd.k12.pa.us Jeff, So you are saying the Paul WERTZ informaton I sent whose son was John J. WERTZ is correct and he was the brother of Georger WERTZ, SR.? Now we have three sources saying that the son's were all born in GERMANY!!! I wonder if there is a record of Paul WERTZ coming to America? Do we have a naturalization for him? I have to look and see what I have in my records? Nancy~ > > Dear Forgetful Witchie Poo, > > You ARE getting old, aren't you? > > You also know of Paul (Powell) Wertz, born 1745 or 1747, brother of > George, Sr.... > - Jeff R > Ow, ow! She poked me in the eye with a pointy stick! STOP IT! > > P.S. Carson doesn't HAVE to have a clue. He's a judge, not a detective. > Oh wait - that would be his VOCATION. But if we talk AVOCATION.... > while we're at it, soon I can talk about A VACATION.... this is all > SOOOO complicated.... > ---------- > > From: Rhonda Neibauer > > To: NLPeche@aol.com > > Cc: Rinscheid, Jeffrey (msmail dirsync); cbrown@oak.kcsd.k12.pa.us; > > cbrown@cub.kcnet.org > > Subject: Re: Is Paul WERTZ the father of GEORGE WERTZ, SR.? > > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 11:58PM > [snip] > > > Nancy ~ > > Okay, now I am lost! I wish I had all this info in front of me like you > > do and then I would read it all and not share anything until I had > > answers!! No pressure there Nancy!! 8^) The only John I have in my > > records in the son of Geo Sr. The only to Pauls I have are Paul Sr > > b.19NOV1825 and his son Paul (POWELL) . Granted I have not added all > > the last 4-5 days worth of data to my records--will do soon, but I don't > > know where you are pulling this one from. > > > > Carson, do you have a clue?? > > > > --Witchie Poo >