Hi everyone. I'm looking for the book, A Genealogical Record of the Crider-Kreider Family. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me where I can either purchase it or check it out on interlibrary loan. It was suggested that Masthof Books in Morgantown, PA might have it. Would anyone know their address or telephone number? Thanks in advance. Hazel Pflueger

I am searching any information about the NOTE family, from Eastern Penna. Please reply direct: dick744@aol.com

Hi Everyone, Just got back from Zeigel's Church. I got pictures and more info than I thought. Lot's of Walbert's in the cemetery. I found my gggrandparents, ggggrandparents and some ggg uncle's and aunt's. This morning I picked up my three great aunts, one in Pennsburg and the other two in Emmaus. We had some trouble finding Zeigel's (it is in the boonies). My Aunt's are 79, 81 (today) and 87 and they couldn't agree on the right way to get there. Then they were worried I would get upset because it was taking too long. I told them look at it as a drive in the country. I stop at a gas station and asked. He said just up the road at the Y. Well we drove and drove and no Y. I ended up on Rt. 100, so I took it to Fogelsville. Went along the back way, oldest Aunt said this is the way she wanted to go. Wasn't sure, so I asked the flag man and he said just up the road on the left was a dirt road, Cemetery Rd. make a left. Found It. Went up the dirt road and the Cemetery was right there. With my Aunt's I couldn't spend as much time as I would of liked. Only got around to looking in the new cemetery. Thanks Sylvia for the info. My oldest Aunt did know were her grandparents were buried. I don't think she realized that her ggrandparents were behind them. They are all buried in the newer section. I will head back up in a couple of weeks and check out the old cemetery. Earl, I saw alot of Walbert Markers, took a couple of pictures of other markers other then my grandparents. I didn't see any Mary Walbert Heilman. When I go up by myself I'll check again on your John Daniel Acker and see if I can find the Heilman. It was getting too much for my Aunts. The church is on top of a hill. When I came down off the hill. I came out just above the gas station I stopped at earlier. I now know how to get there both ways. So all my Aunts were right. Afterward we went to lunch in Macungie and sang happy birthday to my Aunt Topsie. I'm real excited and had a great day. Thank you to everyone that helped, Candy Pennsburg, Montgomery Co., Pa. Researching Surnames: Baer, Bahr, Brey, Dornblaser, Fretz, Hillegass, Hinterleiter, Kline, Kuhn, Peter, Reinert, Royer, Schantz, Schlicher, Shaner, Stahl, Walbert, Wasser

Rod, are familiar with the books and articles written by Richard W. Davis of Provo, Utah? His wife is a Stauffer and he has done significant research in early Penna, Germany & SWZ. His PaMennoHeritage & MennoFamHistory articles outline various Anabaptist Stauffer (and Schenk) movements from 16C-17C Eggiwil, Bern, SWZ to exile from SWZ in 1671, at and near Ibersheim (8mi north of Worms, west bank), Germany to emmigration 1717 and settlement btw Strassburg & Conestoga, LancCoPa We've started to discuss Hess - his Stauffer book has a Hess - Stauffer - Schenk connection, however I have only the Schenk linkage to Stauffer. At Warwick-Conestoga it runs as follows: Christian Stauffer (ca1745 Warwick-13 Apr 1808, LancLancPA) s/o Jacob & Magd Hess, m Anna Eby (4 Jan 1745-30 Jan 1826) & d/o Christian & Eliz Meyer: their dau Barbara Stauffer, b 19 Sept 1767, Warwick marries Micheal Schenk [RW Davis# 14181] (ca1765-1791) of Heidleburg twp. Lanc. More on my answer to Hans Hess. Jack

Northfield, NJ Sept. 8, 1997 Good afternoon to Shorb/Schorb cousins and researchers, [Please share this message with any cousins who may be more interested in family history / genealogy if you are not personal interested.] We've exchanged messages before regarding the SCHORB/SHORB family history. I want to let you know that there is now a "Shorb listserver" available for the exchange of messages between researchers. If you have any interest in the family history of SCHORB or SHORB, I think you would gain some new information by joining this FREE SERVICE hosted by www.rootsweb.com and myself. Among other things, this service will be sharing e-mail messages concerning the 12 known generations of SHORB in America. We will work to solve the mysteries of where families came from and where they went in past years. A LISTSERVER simply distributes incoming e-mail messages to all e-mail addresses that are SUBSCRIBED. To join the SHORB listserver, you can ask me to add you manually or you can do it yourself with the commands that follow below. Be aware that there is a MAIL MODE and a DIGEST MODE. The former will pass on each message as they arrive. The latter will collect the messages received that day and send them out as a single message with a series of "attachments". You can decide the method you prefer. 1. How to subscribe. Send a message to SHORB-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the body of the message) the command subscribe and no additional text. 2. How to unsubscribe. Send a message to SHORB-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe and no additional text. 3. How to change to digest mode (several postings are combined and sent to you together as a single large message). There are two steps. First, send the command "unsubscribe" to SHORB-L-request@rootsweb.com to discontinue mail mode. Second, send the command "subscribe" to SHORB-D-request@rootsweb.com to start receiving digests. 4. How to change to NOMAIL mode. There is no formal NOMAIL mode. All you have to do is follow the directions above and unsubscribe when you want the messages to stop, and then when you want them to start again, simply subscribe again. 5. If you'd like to post a message so everyone on the mailing list receives it, just send it to SHORB-L@rootsweb.com. It will then be sent on to everyone in both mail and digest mode. You don't need to send it explicitly to both. And finally, we are collecting the family histories of every SHORB in America. If you have the names of any SHORB (or variations) ancestors to share, please forward them to me if you haven't done so already. There is a SCHORB/SHORB family web site on the internet at: http://www.jerseycape.com/users/schubert/shorb/shorb.htm Thank you for taking the time to read this. =================================================================== _____ Dave Schubert * Box 451 * Pomona NJ 08240 .---|_____ www.jerseycape.com/users/schubert/ ----+ _____ REPLY-TO: mailto:schubert1@usa.net `---|_____ http://www.jerseycape.com/users/schubert/surnames.htm

Earl, Do I assume correctly that your Acker's are Mennonite? Sorry to say I have only one Acker family in my program, Henry Acker, my 6th GGF, but it is a direct line leading to my CumbCoPa Shenk's where Jacob Bechtel (b-1733, Coventry twp, Chester, (now Montgonery) dies- West Pennsborough, CumbCoPa, 25 Jul 1806. Jacob Bechtel m. Veronica Acker, b aft 1740 nr Coventry & St. Vincents twps, near Pottstown, Chester now MontgomeryCoPa. She was named in her father's will, pvd. same place, 1802. Her parents: Henry Acker m. Magdalena Steiner & nfr. Henry Acker was reported to me by Richard W Davis as being a Mennonite minister at St Vincent twp. He also said that Jacob Bechtel's father, Martin Bechtel, was Minnonite Minister at nearby Coventry at about the same time. Jacob Bechtel & Veronica Acker were in New Hanover twp, MontCoPa in 1794 when they sold 100 acre farm and moved to West Pennsborough, CumbCoPa. Veronica was named in her husband's will, Cumb-1806. It appears that none of their sons remained in CumberlandCoPa after 1850. Children of Jb Bechtel & Veronica Acker are: Henry ca 1755; Samuel ca 1757; Martin ca 1759; Maria ca 1761; Magdalena ca 1763 and Elizabeth ca 1764 - 2 Apr 1834, bur Huntsdale Ch Of the Brethren, Dickinson, Cumberland, PA. Dau Elizabeth m. Henry Shenk (b. 24 Mar 1765 at Cordorus, YorkCoPa -17 Dec 1839), bur. same place as Elizabeth. Earl, that's all of my Acker file except for the Shenk descendents. I'd appreciate knowing if Henry Acker connects to yours & if so, his parents & siblings. Jack Clopper, Alexandria, VA

Should read John HACKMAN of Pottsville marries Catharine MOLL of Windsor Twp., @6 Aug 1832 by Rev. Wm. Pauli in Reading Adler. Sylvia --------------------- Forwarded message: From: BeatAGoose@aol.com Resent-from: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Date: 97-09-05 14:27:34 EDT Thank you for posting this as I am looking for a John Hacman from Pottsville marries a Catharine Moll abt. 1830? I find his name spelled Houckman, in Catharine's ( as a widow)father's will, in 1865. Catharine & Susanna (their baby daugter) are buried at Aulenbach's Cemetery in Reading, but John isn't buried with them. I can find 3 mentions of John, marriage in Reading Adler and birth & death of Susanna in First Reformed Records in Reading, cannot find him or Catharine in any census, can anyone help? Sylvia Graybill

Some time ago I promised to get back to the group with details on the recently published Pennsylvania Dutch translation of the New Testament. Our library has finally obtained this, so I have the book in hand. The title is "Es Nei Teshtament," and the translation is published by The Bible League, 16801 Van Dam Road, South Holland, IL 60473. However, a note on the back of the title page states that the book may be ordered from the Committee for Translation, 3864 Township RD 162, Sugar Creek, OH 44681. The book was published in 1993 in an edition of 10,000, said to be the largest printing of any text ever published in Pennsylvania Dutch. The ISBN is 1-882536-48-7. The cost for the library was $18.00, but I don't know whether this included shipping and handling. It would be best to inquire first at one of the addresses given above. The translation is based on the Ohio Amish dialect. The English-based spelling system will probably be annoying to anyone who reads High German, but may make reading the text easier for people who speak Pennsylvania Dutch but don't know High German. An English version is printed in the margins--a boon to anyone who is not fluent but who wants to get a flavor of the dialect. As a sample, here is Mark 12.30-31: "Un du solsht da Hah dei Gott leeva mitt awl deim hatz, mitt awl dei sayl, mitt awl dei meind un mitt awl dei grefta. Sell is es haychsht gebott. "Un es zvedda is vi dess, Du solsht dei nochbah leeva vi dich selvaht. Es is kenn gebott es graysah is es dee."

I have a copy of the Reif book and will do lookup for you. I have a full schedule today and will not be able to do so until this afternoon or evening. Pat Kratz West Des Moines, IA

Jan, I have GOOD, REIFF, and LANDIS lines. My Landis is from Hans Landis, b. ca. 1695, d. 27 Nov 1771 in Earl Twp., Lancaster Co. PA. His wife was Anna Good. Any connection here? I have that line back several more generations. Anna Good was the daughter of Hans Good, b. ca. 1682, d. 1750 in Leacock Twp. Lancaster Co. PA. Her mother is believed to have been a Meyer, but I have no further information about the maternal line. I do have the Good line back a few more generations. My REIFF is Anna Reiff, b. ca. 1726, d. after 1761, m. Peter Reist. They lived in present Lebanon Co. PA, but Anna was apparently born in Lancaster Co. Lebanon was not formed until later. I have no information about her parents, and would appreciate any help you could give me with that line. If you see any possible connections, lets exchange information. I particularly need additional information on the REIFF line. Thanks, Howard Groff (groffh@aol.com)

Hi, I sure would be interested in a group like that myself. :) Linda Richard Olen Sommer wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone tell me if there is a list for Northampton County. I subscribe to many of the other lists in the area, but have not seen one for that county, where many of my leads keep taking me. > > Thanks for the help. > > Dick Sommer <rosommer@primenet.com>

I come from a Catholic family with origins in lots of places. saying grace in unison is a custom of many nationalities and religions. We still say our grace in unison. Frances

Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is a list for Northampton County. I subscribe to many of the other lists in the area, but have not seen one for that county, where many of my leads keep taking me. Thanks for the help. Dick Sommer <rosommer@primenet.com>

In Sweden they also do this. We had a friend who lived there for five years, and she found out that you were considered a horrible housewife if you did not air your bedding daily. What she did, because she was so busy with three sick kids, and had no money was she kept an extra set of bedding folded by the windows. She hung that bedding out every day, so she did not have to remake the beds. Wonder how many others did that sneakily. >X-Message: #8 >Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 13:58:32 -0700 >From: "Buren L. Eshelman" <esh@nccn.net> >To: Maritool@aol.com, PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970906135832.006a260c@mail.nccn.net> >Subject: Re: PENNA-DUTCH-D Digest V97 #146 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I too lived in Germany three years, from 1953 - 1956 and hanging the >bedding out was one of the first unfamiliar customs I noticed when I >arrived there. It's great to hear all these stories and remember "the good >old days"!!! > >Buren >At 09:33 AM 9/6/97 -0400, Maritool@aol.com wrote: >>In a message dated 97-09-04 16:10:43 EDT, you write: >> >><< We had one >> neighbor who EVERY morning hung all the bed linens from the 2nd story >> window to air until after lunch. Barb >> >> >>When I lived in Germany inthe '60's, I noticed every German hausfrau did >>this. MarilynT >>Researching: CARPENTER/ZIMMERMAN, EKCERT, ESHELMAN, GROFF, HERR, JACK(s), >>KRICK, LINSENBIGLER, STOUDEN, SPOHN, STEFFY, WAGGONER. >> >> Sincerely Carolyn Leverich Atkinson / email: catkinsn@ecity.net 1602 York /In replying send copy of our correspondence. Des Moines, IA 50316 Provider has occasional bouncing problems, please resend later/next day. __________________________________________________ To join the JACKSON/CLAY/OVERTON CO, TN List, email catkinsn@ecity.net with JACKSON/CLAY/OVERTON CO, TN in subject. ___________________________________________________

In a message dated 97-09-07 13:16:25 EDT, you write: Subj: Re: Submitter's Names of FTM CD'S Date: 97-09-07 13:16:25 EDT From: POsulli761 To: NLPeche Thank you to all of you who answered my question about how to find a submitter's name for the World Family Tree CD'S by Brouderbund. The following e-mail was send to me and I think you all need to have this site as part of your "Favorite Places"! Nancy AGNEW Peche' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nancy, Try using this link, I found it one day while searching the net. Good Luck, Peggy <A HREF="http://www.inlink.com/~nomi/wftlist.html">World Family Tree Submitt er List </A>

Rod, Down here in Texas we make Fried Green Tomatoes that are absolutely wonderful:) Slice your tomato, dip it into a batter mix (basically like pancake mix), then fry. It is super. Loraine lpertelt@tenet.edu Humble, TX

PennaDutch@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have the green tomato pie recipe? If so emailing it to me would > be a big help for our green tomatoes. Frost is on the way. > > rod Rod - do you mean green tomato mincemeat? My mother used to make that. I think there was quite a bit more involved besides green tomatoes (raisins etc, I don't know.) I don't do such things but my sister might have that recipe if that is what you mean. But I know she made the mincemeat and canned it, didn't make the pie until later. If there is a pie made with fresh green tomatoes I know nothing about it. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ

I am looking for a John Rumfield who shows up in the 1810 census in Northampton Co., Sallisbury Twsp., PA. I have been unable to connect my g-g-grandfather, Peleg M. Rumfield, who was born in 1818 in PA, to any other Rumfields in the area. I believe Peleg's oldest son's name was John, Though I can't find proof, and following the PA Dutch tradition of naming the first son after the father's father, I am trying to make the leap. There is also an Easpen Rumfield in Upper Saucana Twsp., Northampton Co.PA in the 1810 census. I would also appreciate any information on him and his relationship to John etc. Thanks to one and all for any help!! Dick Sommer <rosommer@primenet.com>

Hello Fellow Rooters- Looking to contact ALL researchers of the SPRINKLE surname. I am working on a tremendous database to be posted for free research from my homepage. Please E-mail me for details on submitting a gedcom or if that is not available, I will manually type in whatever descendancy charts you may have. I do not want descendancies on the spouses, but I will take names as well as Birth, Death, Baptismal & Burial information on those who married into the family. There are alot of us out there, so this may take a little time. I do believe however, that we are all descended from the 3 immigrant brothers. It should be interesting to see how those seeds have "spread around!" Please do not send your files yet. I just want to get a "head count" first. Just E-mail me if you are interested. Thanks cousins...I look forward to meeting you all! Kristy Wright Edenfield mailto:kristy@scsn.net http://www.scsn.net/users/kristy/home.htm ---------------------------------------------- | Sounds not heard are silenced | | History not recorded is lost | ---------------------------------------------- Kristy Wright Edenfield mailto:kristy@scsn.net ***check out my genealogy...4000 names*** http://www.scsn.net/users/kristy/home.htm

In a message dated 97-09-06 03:04:54 EDT, you write: << The most distinctive thing about this grace was the way we said it, everyone at the table speaking in unison, with no one in particular leading the prayer. Does anyone else remember saying grace in this way? Could it be a custom of Pennsylvania Dutch origin? >> I grew up in a home with an Irish mother and an English/PA Dutch father. We always said grace in unison. We said the Catholic version: Bless us O Lord, and these thy gifts, which we are about to receive from thy bountiful hands [or "from thy bounty"]. Amen. We still say it, and when my 3 yr old grandson is here, he says "blah, blah, blah" (or what sounds like that! Then he ends with a big AMEN! Jane