In a message dated 97-09-05 12:25:00 EDT, you write: << Descendants of ELIZABETH HESS 1 ELIZABETH HESS Married at Trinty Luth., Lancaster 8/1/1797 .. +JOHANN GEORGE DEIMLER ......... 2 ANNA DEIMLER 1799 - ......... 2 PHILLIP DEIMLER 1801 - 1835 ......... 2 GEORGE DEIMLER 1803 - 1832 ......... 2 JOHN DEIMLER 1807 - 1878 ............. +SUSAN MOYER - 1896 That all I have but of course would welcome more. Looking for: DEIMLER, ANDREWS, AUNGST, GAULT, GINGRICH, HESS, KOHR, KREISER, MATEER, MEINSLER, MOYER, RUNKEL/RUNKLE, ALL PA OF LANCASTER, BERKS, LEBANON AND DAUPHIN COUNTIES. Bill Deimler bdeimler@wazoo.com >> Bill, I have a lot of info on this Dimeler/Hess line. "...would welcome more" means?? how much more?? Just what would you like? I am including here the rough outline, of what is in the computer that I have been able to connect. I have a lot that I have not yet been able to 'tie into a particular family branch', maybe we can help each other, some of which is in the computer, but lots that is not. Hope something here helps you, Audrey Descendants of Elizabeth Hess 1 Elisabeth HESS: b: 10 Feb 1777 Lanc Co PA; d: 12 Mar 1827 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bur: Abt 15 Mar 1827 Stoner Fam Grvyd Con Tp Lanc Co PA; [Elisabeth is the d/o Philip {1753-1812} and Anna (---) {1753-1806} HESS .+Johannes DIMELER/DAUMLER: b: 13 Mar 1770/72 PA [Part previously claimed by VA]; m: 1 Aug 1797 Trinity Luth Ch Lancaster Lanc Co PA; d: 14 Apr 1822 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bur: Abt 17 Apr 1822 Stoner Fam Grvyd Con Tp Lanc Co PA; Father: Johannes DAUMLER Mother: unknown ..... 2 Dau (unnamed) DIMELER b: Abt 1798 Don (now Con) Tp Lanc Co PA; d (bef 1810) Don (now Con Tp) Lanc Co PA; bu: assume Stoner Fam Grvyd Con Tp ..... 2 Anna DIMELER b: 15 Apr 1799 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bapt/Chr: 21 Jul 1799 Chr Ev Luth Ch Elizabethtown Lanc Co PA; d: 28 Jul 1803 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bur: Abt 31 Jul 1803 Stoner Fam Grvyd Con Tp Lanc Co PA ..... 2 Philip DIMELER b: 20 Sep 1801 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; d: 22 Oct 1831 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bur: Abt 25 Oct 1831 Stoner Fam Grvyd Con Tp Lanc Co PA ......... +Anna GOOD ..... 2 George DIMELER b: 23 Sep 1803 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; d: 19 Sep 1829 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bur: Abt 22 Sep 1829 Stoner Fam Grvyd Con Tp Lanc Co PA ......... +Elizabeth (---) b: 1790-1800 PA {place unk} ..... 2 Johannes DIMELER b: 20 Sep 1805 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; d: 6 Mar 1806 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bur: Abt 9 Mar 1806 Stoner Fam Grvyd Con Tp Lanc Co PA ..... 2 Johannes DIMELER b: 5 Feb 1807 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA ......... +Susanna (---) m: Bef 1833 r: 1837 W Don Tp Lanc Co PA ............. 3 Johannes DIMELER b: 28 Jul 1833 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bapt/Chr: 3 Nov 1833 Chr Ev Luth Ch Elizabethtown Lanc Co PA; d: 25 Dec 1889 Up Swa Tp Dau Co PA; Bur: Abt 28 Dec 1889 St. Peter's Luth Ch Grvyd Middletown Dau Co PA ................ +Sarah Elizabeth GINGRICH m: 6 Feb 1862 Middletown Dau Co PA .................... 4 Anna Catharine DIMELER b: 5 Jul 1866 Up Swa Tp Dau Co PA; d: 6 Jan 1872 Up Swa Tp Dau Co PA .................... 4 Susannah DIMELER b: 28 Sep 1867 Up Swa Tp Dau Co PA; d: 23 Dec 1870 Up Swa Tp Dau Co PA ............. 3 George DIMELER b: 9 Nov 1835 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bapt/Chr: 3 Apr 1836 Chr Ev Luth Ch Elizabethtown Lanc Co PA; d: 28 Jul 1837 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bur: Abt 31 Jul 1837 Stoner Fam Grvyd Con Tp Lanc Co PA ............. 3 Philip DIMELER b: 1 Sep 1837 Bapt/Chr: 1 Sep 1837 Chr Ev Luth Ch Elizabethtown Lanc Co PA ................ +Elizabeth HECKERT m: 25 Feb 1864 ..... 2 Solomon/Samuel DIMELER b: 12 Mar 1809 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA ......... +Susanna [w Sol/Sam] (---) ..... 2 Katharina DIMELER b: 5 Feb 1811 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bapt/Chr: 8 Jun 1811 Chr Ev Luth Ch Elizabethtown Lanc Co PA ..... 2 Maria DIMELER b: 8 Sep 1813 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bapt/Chr: 7 Nov 1813 Chr Ev Luth Ch Elizabethtown Lanc Co PA; d: 6 Feb 1815 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bur: Abt 9 Feb 1815 Stoner Fam Grvyd Con Tp Lanc Co PA ..... 2 Elisabeth DIMELER b: 4 Jan 1816 Don [now Con] Tp Lanc Co PA; Bapt/Chr: 6 May 1816 Chr Ev Luth Ch Elizabethtown Lanc Co PA ......... +John SHARER m: 9 May 1841 Elizabethtown Lanc Co PA

OK, so it's *not* a recipe for Green Tomato Pie, but it is a recipe that uses green tomatoes -- I actually found it while searching desperately for a recipe to use up the tomatillos my husband bought! And, let's face it, frost *is* coming -- and my family never let anything go to waste! ("Wunnernaus" discussion rang a bell -- I have for years made "found" soup, as in leftovers found in refrigerator, etc.) (FYI, for anyone interested: http://www.epicurious.com has 6,000 recipes online from Gourmet & Bon Appetit magazines. *Please* tell me I'm not the only one to save bulky magazines, just in case, "some day" I'd try one of the recipes.) PS, I also found a tomatillo recipe with only 4 ingredients -- the "other" 3 of which I have in abundance in the backyard -- guess what I'm trying tomorrow! Anne Lurie St. George, Vermont ___________________________ RED AND GREEN TOMATO SALSA Can be prepared in 45 minutes or less. 1/2 pound green tomatoes or fresh tomatillos 1 pound vine-ripened tomatoes, chopped fine (about 2 1/2 cups) 1/2 cup finely chopped red onion 1 tablespoon fresh lime juice 2 teaspoons salt If using tomatillos, discard outer husks and rinse tomatillos under warm water. Chop tomatoes or tomatillos fine (there should be about 1 1/2 cups) and in a bowl stir together with remaining ingredients. Let salsa stand at room temperature 30 minutes. Salsa may be made 4 hours ahead and chilled, covered. Makes about 3 1/2 cups.

Hi Sally Thank you for the information on this webpage. Only prob is I cant reach it. Are you sure it is correct? Thanks again. Linda Pomp700@aol.com wrote: > Hi did yo check at : > > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/gen_web.html > > It is a great site for all , don't know if they have Northpton Co or not. > Good luck > Sally

Oops! I misspelled Masthof in my earlier post -- should be masthof@ptdprolog.net Sorry about that, folks! Anne Lurie St. George, Vermont

Someone earlier this year posted that the email address for Masthof is: mathof@ptdprolog.net (I have not tried that email address, though.) Anne Lurie St. George, Vermont

Hi Folks, Could this possibly be a Germanic recipe? Thanks for your help? Karla

TIME LINE 1607 Jamestown, Virginia 1620 Plymouth Colony 1638 New Sweden populated 1692 Salem Witch Trials 1706-1790 Benjamin Franklin 1732-1977 George Washington 1743-1826 Thomas Jefferson 1754-1763 French and Indian War 1769 Watts patented steam engine 1770 Boston Massacre 1776 San Francisco founded 1776 Declaration of Independence 1788-1797 Presidential Terms for George Washington 1801-1809 Presidential Terms for Thomas Jefferson 1804-1806 Lewis and Clark Expeditions 1809-1865 Abraham Lincoln 1812-1815 War of 1812 1819 Bicycle patented in U.S. 1819-1825 Erie Canal 1829 First Railroad 1836 Fall of the Alamo 1837 Daguerreotype photograhy 1837 Morse Telegraph 1838 Removal of Cherokee Indians 1840-1880 Indian Wars west of the Mississippi 1846-1848 Mexican War 1849 Gold Rush 1859 Charles Darwin's "The Origin of Species" 1860-1861 Pony Express 1861-1865 Presidential Terms for Abraham Lincoln 1861-1865 Civil War 1876 Battle of the Little Bighorn 1877 First Telephone 1877 Phonograph 1885 Car patented by Karl Benz 1885-1889 First Term of President Grover Cleveland 1890 Battle of Wounded Knee 1893-1897 Second Term of President Grover Cleveland 1903 Wright Brothers 1908 Model T 1914-1918 World War I 1939-1945 World War II 1950-1953 Korean War At 02:13 AM 9/9/97 -0500, William A. Gochenour Jr. wrote: >Hi!!! > >A while back someone posted a copy of a list of times & dates that diseases >and wars and etc broke out. I'm sure I saved it somewhere, but now that I >need it I can't find it. > >Could someone repost it or send it to me privately. > >Thanks. > >William >**************************************************** >Gochenour Genealogy Web page at: >http://www.why.net/users/w.a.goch/wm.htm >William A. Gochenour Jr. >. > > > >

Hi, Vee. Yes, I have experienced in the mid-west and now in Texas, that many families say the "God is Good" prayer. A minister friend of mine, I believe actually from Illinois, and a family originally from Louisiana asked their young sons to deliver this prayer at 'supper' time when they were in their own homes. JLJ ---------- From: Vee L. Housman Sent: Saturday, September 06, 1997 5:45 PM To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Table Grace in Unison Our family always said Grace in unison, also. And I was quite pleased a few years back when I visited my aunts in Steelton, Dauphin Co., that the same Grace is said today around the table with the younger generations saying the same words I did as a young child. It was: God is great and God is good. We thank Thee for this food. By His hand we must be fed. Give us Lord our daily bread. I can remember two times when my cousin gave me the giggles when we said Grace. One time she said, "God is grape!!" And the other time she started right out with "Now I lay me down to sleep!!" Is the custom Lutheran-based? I don't know, but our family certainly was Lutheran-based. And do you know what? Even though my meals are solitary ones now, there is no way I can sit down to the table without saying the same words (in UNISON???) :-D vee

Hi Ken. I'm quite new myself. Interesting you are in Westmoreland. That is the region where I first found my ancestors, The Quietts in the mid-1700's. They moved on-back and forth to West VA, KY, etc., as the situation dictated. Of course the state lines changed during this time. My greatest task is to find when they came to the US and from where exactly. I have made many suppositions, but have no back-up. Palatine, probably not. The Hershners on my Father's side probably are. Scotch/Irish, Quaker? I wish I knew. Good luck! JLJ ---------- From: Ken Heffner Sent: Sunday, September 07, 1997 10:00 AM To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Heffner/Hefner/Haffner/...etc. Am the 'new kid on the block' in regards PENNA-DUTCH mailing list. Roots are in Schuylkill and Berks Counties but now living in Westmoreland County. Have been working on family genealogy and history for a number of years and would appreciate corresponding with anyone with Heffner/Haffner/Hefner/Heavener/ etc. background. Supposedly my forebears arrived Aug 28, 1733 aboard the ship 'Hope' at the port of Philadelphia. Please see my surname list on my homepage in my signature statement. -- Ken Heffner, Lower Burrell, Pa. abt 20 miles NE of Pittsburgh. kenheff@nb.net http://www.nb.net/~kenheff

Am searching for family of my gr. grandmother Elizabeth Dietrich, b. 2/19/1838, Berks County, d. 8/7/1878 Schuylkill County. -- Ken Heffner, Lower Burrell, Pa. abt 20 miles NE of Pittsburgh. mailto:kenheff@nb.net http://www.nb.net/~kenheff

I'll through my HESS family into the ring. These folks married into my lines and are from Carroll County, MD and Adams County, PA. If anything looks familiar, please contact me. 1. Johann HESS 1.1a Samuel HESS* (November 11, 1796 - December 24, 1873) & Ann CORNELL (September 26, 1811 - June 2, 1889) 1.1a.1 Charles M. HESS & Elizabeth BUSHEY 1.1a.1.1 Anna Flora HESS 1.1a.1.2 Samuel Bushey HESS 1.1a.1.3 John Everett HESS 1.1a.1.4 Howard Luther HESS 1.1a.1.5 Bertha C. HESS 1.1a.1.6 Effie Elizabeth HESS 1.1a.1.7 Emma Jane HESS 1.1a.1.8 Charles William HESS 1.1a.1.9 Nannie Ella HESS 1.1a.1.10 David Smith HESS 1.1a.1.11 Walter Washington HESS 1.1a.1.12 Lauretta Rebecca HESS 1.1a.1.13 Lille Belle HESS 1.1a.2 Hezekiah HESS & Ellen Rebecca SHOEMAKER 1.1a.2.1 Elmer S. HESS 1.1a.2.2 Martin D. HESS & Minnie B. LIGHTNER 1.1a.2.3 Theodore F. HESS 1.1a.2.4 Homer S. HESS 1.1a.2.5 Norman R. HESS 1.1a.3 Samuel F. HESS & Rebecca BUSHEY 1.1a.3.1 Nettie HESS 1.1a.3.2 Mollie HESS 1.1a.3.3 J. Morris HESS 1.1a.4 Caroline Phoebe HESS (December 31, 1852 - January 21, 1935) & Jonathan Franklin MEHRING (October 26, 1842 - April 13, 1914) 1.1a.4.1 Alverta MEHRING & Joe PLUNKERT 1.1a.4.1.1 George PLUNKERT 1.1a.4.1.2 Edward PLUNKERT 1.1a.4.2 Ada MEHRING & Harry MYERS 1.1a.4.2.1 Grace MYERS 1.1a.4.3 Mabel MEHRING & Milton BENNER 1.1a.4.3.1 John BENNER 1.1a.4.3.2 Kenneth BENNER 1.1a.4.3.3 Donald BENNER 1.1a.4.3.4 Earl BENNER 1.1a.4.3.5 Mary BENNER 1.1a.4.3.6 Charles BENNER 1.1a.4.4 Ella MEHRING & George MAYERS 1.1a.4.4.1 Ruth MAYERS 1.1a.4.4.2 Helen MAYERS 1.1a.4.5 Clara MEHRING & John APPLER 1.1a.4.5.1 Harold APPLER 1.1a.4.5.2 Norma APPLER 1.1a.4.5.3 Margaret APPLER 1.1a.4.6 Lillie Grace MEHRING (March 19, 1891 - July 18, 1952) & Earl Stockslager RUDISILL Ph.D., D.D. (January 23, 1891 - October 21, 1970) 1.1a.4.6.1 Fred L. RUDISILL (July 27, 1917 - ) & Martha RUBNER (November 6, 1916 - ) 1.1a.4.6.1.1 Randolph Earl RUDISILL (February 19, 1945 - ) 1.1a.4.6.1.2 Thomas Richard RUDISILL (April 29, 1948 - ) 1.1a.4.7 Ruth MEHRING & Dennis BYERS 1.1a.4.7.1 Grace BYERS 1.1a.5 John H. HESS & Phoebe LYNCH 1.1a.5.1 Edna HESS 1.1a.5.2 John H. HESS 1.1a.5.3 Nellie HESS 1.1a.6 Clara A. HESS & William OGDEN 1.1a.6.1 Flora OGDEN 1.1a.6.2 Carrie OGDEN 1.1a.6.3 William A. OGDEN 1.1a.6.4 Mary OGDEN 1.1a.6.5 Phoebe OGDEN 1.1a.6.6 Charles OGDEN 1.1a.7a George W. HESS* & Clara PENNINGTON 1.1a.7b George W. HESS* & Laura ANGEL 1.1a.7b.1 Annie E. HESS 1.1a.7b.2 Dora I. HESS 1.1a.7b.3 Oscar L. HESS 1.1a.7b.4 Laura Gertrude HESS 1.1a.7b.5 William Samuel HESS 1.1a.7b.6 George Roy HESS 1.1a.7b.7 Walter Kelley HESS 1.1b Samuel HESS* (November 11, 1796 - December 24, 1873) & Mary NULL 1.1b.1 Abraham N. HESS & Savilla FEESER 1.1b.1.1 Lavina HESS 1.1b.1.2 Clarinda HESS Vanessa R. Stern (vstern@gte.com) GTE Laboratories Incorporated --Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.--

If anyone has information on the following Berger line, I would like to hear from them and exchange information. Please note, I an doing this research for an uncle. I too decend from a Berger line, mine came in 1744 to Pennsylvania on the Ship Aurora from Dierdorf, Germany. The Bergers I am seeking info on, however, are as follows: 1. George BERGER b. 3-22-1794 d. 3-13-1873 - of Rehresburg sp-Maria MILLER b. 9-18-1808 d. 5-4-1891 - of Quaker religion 2. Lewis BERGER b. 5-3-1853 in Rehresburg d. 11-30-1936 sp-Elizabeth M. ULRICH b. 2-16-1857 d. 8-13-1924 - of Sinking Springs area 3. Herbert S. BERGER Thanks in advance for any help you could give me. Regards, Heidi Berger Somers sonora@seacoast.com

Hi!!! A while back someone posted a copy of a list of times & dates that diseases and wars and etc broke out. I'm sure I saved it somewhere, but now that I need it I can't find it. Could someone repost it or send it to me privately. Thanks. William **************************************************** Gochenour Genealogy Web page at: http://www.why.net/users/w.a.goch/wm.htm William A. Gochenour Jr. .

JDA5644@aol.com wrote: >> > I went to this site and found nothing...this info would be very helpful...did > you make a copy and would you share it? please...thank you Pat It worked for me fine tonight...but here you go. 18th Century PA German Naming Customs Your are visitor to this page. Vote Filename: GERMNAME.TXT Internet: http://www.kalglo.com/germname.htm Date: Written 18 August 1995 Updated 6 June 1997 From: Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. 5507 Louise Lane Northampton PA 18067-9076 E-mail: kerchner@compuserve.com Subj: 18th Century Pennsylvania German Naming Customs Keywords: PA GERMAN NAMES CUSTOMS TRADITIONS PENNSYLVANIA 1. At baptism, if two given names were given to the child, the first given name was a spiritual, saint's name, originally developed from Roman Catholic tradition and continued by the Protestants in their baptismal naming customs. The second given name was the secular or call name, which is the name the person was known by, both within the family and to this rest of the world. The spiritual name, usually to honor a favorite saint, was usually repeatedly given to all the children of that family of the same sex. Thus the boys would be Johan Adam Kerchner, Johan George Kerchner, etc., or Philip Peter Kerchner, Philip Jacob Kerchner, etc. Girls would be named Anna Barbara Kerchner, Anna Margaret Kerchner, etc., or Maria Elizabeth Kerchner, Maria Catherine Kerchner, etc. But after baptism, these people would not be known as John, Philip, Anna, or Maria, respectively. They would instead be known by what we would think of now as their middle name, which was their secular name. Thus these people would be known respectively as Adam, George, Peter, Jacob, Barbara, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Catherine in legal and secular records. For males, the saint's name Johan or John was particularly heavily used by many German families. The child's secular name was really John, if and only if, at baptism he was named only John, usually Johannes, with no second given name. Many researchers, new to German names, who find a baptism of an individual with a name such as Johan Adam Kerchner, thus mistakenly spend a lot of time looking for a John Kerchner, in legal and census records, when he was known after baptism, to the secular world, as Adam Kerchner. Also when reading county histories, etc., especially those written by individuals in the 20th century, and the author is referring to someone as John Kerchner, and you are not looking for a John Kerchner, but the history sounds otherwise familiar, further research may turn up that this person was really not a John Kerchner, but instead was someone else such as a Johan George Kerchner. You would thus find all his 18th century records recorded under the name George Kerchner and not John Kerchner and therefore after checking the data and correlating the facts you may find this is really a story about your missing George Kerchner. 2. The term "Senior" and "Junior" following a name did not necessarily imply a father and son relationship, as it does now. It could have been an uncle and nephew who had the same name and lived near each other. It could be a grandfather and a grandchild living together, where the father has died. It could even be two unrelated individuals with the same name but of different ages who lived near each other. So to help friends and business associates keep track of who-was-who in their discussions and records, they added on the "Sr." or "Jr." which merely meant the older and the younger, respectively. 3. The term cousin was widely used to mean an extended family, not the specific legal definition we understand it to be today. 4. It was a common practice in some German families to name the first born son after the child's paternal grandfather and the second born son after the maternal grandfather. Here are several more detailed naming patterns practiced by some families. Pattern A 1st son after the father's father 2nd son after the mother's father 3rd son after the father 4th son after the husband's father's father 5th son after the wife's father's father 6th son after the husband's mother's father 7th son after the wife's mother's father 1st daughter after the wife's mother 2nd daughter after the husband's mother 3rd daughter after the mother 4th daughter after the father's father's mother 5th daughter after the mother's father's mother 6th daughter after the father's mother's mother 7th daughter after the mother's mother's mother Pattern B The pattern B for the sons is the same as the above but this pattern for daughters was different 1st daughter after the father's mother 2nd daughter after the mother's mother 3rd daughter after the mother 4th daughter after the mother's father's mother 5th daughter after the father's father's mother Pattern C 1st son after the father's father 2nd son after the mother's father 3rd son after the father's oldest brother 4th son after the father 1st daughter after the father's mother 2nd daughter after the mother's mother 3rd daughter after the mother's oldest sister 4th daughter after the mother Whenever a duplicate name occurred in these patterns, the next name in the series was used. If a child died in infancy the name was often reused for the next child of the same gender. If you are lucky enough to find a family with a lot of children, who strictly followed one of these naming patterns, then it may give you useful clues to determining the possible names of family members in earlier generations. 5. An "in" or "en", added to the end of a name, such as Anna Maria Kerchnerin, is a Germanic language name ending suffix denoting that the person is female. Thus the correct spelling of the last name in the example would be Kerchner, not Kerchnerin. I hope that the above information will be of assistance to individuals researching 18th Century Pennsylvania-German names and records. Sorry, but I cannot give you specific advice or answer questions about individual German names. For information on specific names consult one of the following excellent books. For additional information on "German-American Names" consult the book by that name written by Professor George F. Jones published by the Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD. For additional information on German names, consult the 1967 book written by Hans Bahlow. The English version titled "Dictionary of German Names" was translated by Edda Gentry. It was published in 1993 by the Max Kade Institute for German-American Studies, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison WI. If my page was helpful, please take the time to nominate this page. Write the page URL address down first: http://www/kalglo.com/germname.htm Genealogical Journey Award Family Chronicle Magazine Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. 5507 Louise Lane Northampton PA 18067-9076 USA E-Mail: kerchner@compuserve.com Kerchner GenealogyHome Page 1812 ProjectHome Page Genealogy Research Tips Sign my Guestbook. Read my Guestbook. Copyright ©1996, Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. All Rights Reserved Created - October 1996 Last Revised - 9 August 1997

Looking for information about the FUCHS/FOX family of Philadelphia (Germantown). Johann Michael FUCHS married Salome "Sarah" Lybrand May 25, 1762. Their children included: Mary Dorothea, Michael, John and Samuel. I have information that places Michael, John and Samuel at St. John's Evangelical Lutheran Church and St. Michael's & Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church. I have been unable to find any more information about Johann Michael FUCHS and Salome "Sarah" Lybrand. According to information given by Samuel in the 1879 census, his parents were born in the colonies. Any information or advice from anyone on the list will be very welcome. Dale Stewart bssrds19@idt.net

Looking for Joseph, or maybe Jacob, BITTER or BITTERS, born ca. 1798, lived in Berks Co. before moving to Lycoming Co. He appears on the 1850 census in Lycoming. Wife's name was Anna, had a daughter Eliza, possibly other children. Family and published accounts are vague and in some cases contradictory, and I'd be grateful for more information on any families with this name in these counties. Elizabeth Harris chlamy@acpub.duke.edu

Hi all, I am looking for a John Rumfield married to Catherine Mohry. They had a daughter Esther Rumfield who married Frederick Walters. I believe this is the same John Rumfield who shows up in the 1810 census in Northampton Co. (Salisbury Twp) This could be the father of my g-g-grandfather. I haven't made the connection yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dick Sommer <rosommer@primenet.com>

Hazel Pflueger wrote >Hi everyone. > I>'m looking for the book, A Genealogical Record of the Crider-Kreider >Family. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me where I can >either purchase it or check it out on interlibrary loan. > >It was suggested that Masthof Books in Morgantown, PA might have it. >Would anyone know their address or telephone number? The address for Masthof's is Masthof Bookstore R.R. #1, Box 20, Mill Road Morgantown, PA 19543-9701 Phone: (610)286-0258 Fax: (610)286-6860 Dave Dickel DDickel@aol.com

Hi did yo check at : http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/gen_web.html It is a great site for all , don't know if they have Northpton Co or not. Good luck Sally

Where is Marlborough Twp. PA? Thanks Barb