Hi, Pat and all I have records of some of the descendants of Abraham KURTZ and Barbara BOLLINGER from their children Abraham, John and Catharine KURTZ. These eventually descend to those who married KEMPER descendants. I'm always seeking such descendants so I'm wondering if these are the KURTZ lines which also interest you. I'll gladly trade information about these people. I do not track any other lines of Abraham KURTZ descendants. Vic Kemper vicnjudy@zianet.comPKKratz@aol.com wrote: > > I am descended from Abrahm KURTZ and would be interested in corresponding > with and sharing information with anyone who might be connected to these > people. > Abraham KURTZ immigrated on the ship Robert and Alice in 1740 with his wife > Margaret Bollinger and two sons. (Christian and Jacob) His wife died in 1746 > and he returned to Germany and married Barbara Bollinger, Margaret's sister. > They returned 1749 on the ship Phoenix. They settled in Lancaster Co. > Abraham and Margaret had 10 children. (Abraham, Barbara, John, Peter, > Catharine, Joseph, Maria, David, Samuel and Elizabeth) > > Pat Kratz > West Des Moines, IA

What ldo you mean "remember"!?! I have junket tablets in my cupboard right now. You can still find them on the grocery shelves and the company has for a number of years sold an already prepared mix (similar to a packaged pudding where you just add the milk). Happy hunting to all. >Does anyone remember clabber milk? Great with cinnamon and sugar. And >how about Junket made with rennet tablets? > >Win

To Ron, Sylvia, Anne, Gert and any other of you nice folks who might be thinking of answering my foolish question about the Masthof "web site". Not much excuse except "dense". I apologize for the inconvenience. I'll try to do better. Alyce

It is an email address not an URL. Do not use the Web. For Masthof Bookstore. Sylvia

I remember buying stamps in school in the fifties. I don't know what happened to mine. I did get a package from my mother recently, though. She was cleaning house and found a set of ration coupons in my name. I put them in my collection of "primary sources." Barbara Margaret J Stevens wrote: > > Hi Linda, > I remember war bonds and stamps and they were sold at school. Those who > purchased the most stamps/bonds named a jeep which the Army brought to > us. It was named the Monteith Nightingale. It must have been intended > for the Medical Corps. I finally cashed my War Bonds when Uncle Sam > stopped paying interest. I still have a partially filled stamp booklet. > (Guess my gray hair is showing. > Joyce Stevens > Livonia, MI

Does anyone know of a computer program that has a ten to twelve generation genealogy fan chart? Margo

>Sylvia: > >I have tried this e-mail address but keep getting message no such carrier. I >have tried it with "www", without "www"; I've tried lower case masthof and >upper case Masthof, nothing works. > >Alyce Smith - ALYSYD@aol.com Hi! If this has been posted, I'm sorry (I've gotten behind in my mail). The Masthof e-mail address is: masthof@ptdprolog.net If that doesn't work, you can also use masthof@postoffice.ptd.net (note my address!!) Upper/lowercase doesn't matter. Good luck!! -Linnea

Dear Group - I have been corresponding with a real (as opposed to Pa) German from the German genealogy group. Originally it was a technical discussion of the problems of sending umlauts over the net, which I will spare you. But then he noticed my signature line, [FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ] and he said, "That feels like the area south of Darmstadt, I went to school with people with all those names except Penrose" [I know that Penrose is English]. Pause while I look up Darmstadt, which could be in Prussia for all I know. In fact it is just east (actually more north, in this area) of the Rhine, south of Frankfurt. So I explain to him that they are all 'Pa Dutch' and what that means and that I am a little uneasy because I have always heard they were from 'Rhineland-Palatinate', which is west of the Rhine, and Darmstadt is across the river from that. And here is what he said and I thought others on this list might be interested in it. I don't think he quite grasps that I have 4-5 generations in Pa still to go before I can usefully look in Germany, but this may be useful to some of you who are further along. [My comments in square brackets] > Rhineland-Palatinate is a post-world-war-II creation. Before that, it was > a Bavarian province in the south (about a cut line somewhere between > Mannheim and Worms), the Prussian Rhineland province (a/k/a Rhenish > Prussia), the Birkenfeld region was kind of extraterrestial [I assume he means > extraterritorial] Oldenburg > territory, and part of it belonged to Hessen, or previously to the Grand > Duchy of Hessen (with capitol Darmstadt) ... Even in today's Germany, that > ceded to the newly created State region within the State of > Rhineland-Palatinate is referred to as Rheinhessen ... So somehow, it just > all fits ... and if you make that "Darmstadt feel" become a > "Hessen-Darmstadt feel", then it matches completely. > > Actually there was quite an emmigration from that region. Dunno, if the > Hessian State Archives cover emmigration from Rheinhessen, too, but maybe > you should give it a try. The Darmstadt State Archive is responsible for > the part of the HESAUS project, which covers emmigrtion from Hessen > Darmstadt (which could refer to the current administrative district with > the State of Hessen, which is basically the former Grand Duchy minus those > left rhenish territories ceded to RPF -- an acronym for Rheinland-Pfalz, > or wqhich could refer to the total territory of the former Grand Duchy). > If you're lucky, your ancestors will be in the HESAUS II part of the > project (this is a computer based register). If not, they are in the > HESAUS I part (paper records). HESAUS stands for HESsische > AUSwandererliste (Hessian Emigrants List). > > Anyway, as there is a chance, that your ancestry came from previously > Hessian places, why not invest those 60 cents for an airmail letter and > the 1.05 dolars for an International Reply Coupon to send those Darmstadt > guys a letter and ask wether or not they cover the Rheinhessen region of > the former Grand Duchy, too with the HESAUS project? And also ask, what > the lookup fees might be ? I remember them as not too outrageous, > reasonable even in comperision to what time and costs it might save you if > they land a hit for you. > > The address of the Darmstadt State Archive had been posted in the > newsgroup [he means soc.genealogy.german] within the last two or three weeks ... I saw > it, but do not recall the precise address. [Neither do I]. Now isn't that interesting. Maybe it's even useful, though I think not to me, not yet. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ

Is Elizabeth Hess who married Johann George Deimler the daughter of Jacob Hess and Elizabeth Wilt??? Her birth was 23 Sep 1776. Don

Forget the last question about Elizabeth Hess. The answer was further down in the e-mail. Sorry! Don

Hi Linda, I remember war bonds and stamps and they were sold at school. Those who purchased the most stamps/bonds named a jeep which the Army brought to us. It was named the Monteith Nightingale. It must have been intended for the Medical Corps. I finally cashed my War Bonds when Uncle Sam stopped paying interest. I still have a partially filled stamp booklet. (Guess my gray hair is showing. Joyce Stevens Livonia, MI

Hi All, I am searching for my gg grandmother and have been unable to identify her. My gg grandfather Abraham ESHELMAN would have married the first time about 1810 probably in Lancaster Co., PA. His first son was born August 15, 1811 in Lancaster Co. I find an entry in the Lancaster County Historical Society Journal listing an ESHELMAN, Sarah DeMuth and wonder if anyone researching the ESHELMAN/ESHLEMAN or DEMUTH families of Lancaster Co. might have her listed in their data. Both of Abraham's sons named their daughter Sarah so I think their mother must have been named Sarah. Any help would be deeply appreciated. I am researching ESHELMAN/ESHLEMAN, GROFF, HERR, STONER, MCCHESNEY and WOLFGANG families. Thank you!!! Buren

Hi everyone, How many out there remember this from your childhood. :)) I sure do. Or perhaps a penny saved is a penny earned. Along with those wonderful savings bonds stamps that you bought at the post office to work your way to a $25 Savings Bond. I remember we used to do this as a school project too. Linda

I am searching for a copy of the Walbourn Genealogical History of American authored by Walborn, Herman W. The family originally moved with other Palatine emigrants to the Berks County region in the 1720s, I think. I'm unsure whether the publication is a book or a pamphlet, and I don't know the date or place of publication. If you know where a copy may be obtained, please let me know. Thank you if your are able to help. Dennis, bottorff@polarnet.com

Earl, thank you very much for confirming my 6th GGF and providing his other children's dob's & spouses. I would very much like to have ANY and ALL ancestors for both Henry, Sr & Magdalena Steiner. Your data also suggests Henry, Jr probably has descendents. Would you mind sending one or two generations of his descendents? One, if you have to keyboard them, two if you can send a .ged file for Henry, Jr. You ask if I have anything to share? Well I have about 18,000 names, more than half PD, but associated with Acker:- - Would you like me to send a PAF. 3.0 .ged for family and 3 gens of - ancestors for Jacob Bechtel, m. your Fronica Acker? -21 inds & 5 marriages? AND/OR I could send you up to Nine Generations of her descendents - - 398 - inds & 137 marriages? Jb Bechtel, above, is s/o Rev. Martin Bechtel, b. 22 Jan 1710, d. 25 Aug 1786, bur. Sprogel's Lot, nr Pottstown. Rev. Martin m. Elizabeth Richer, b bef 1692, Germany & nfr to me. He is s/o Hans Jacob Bechtel, Img'd 1720 from Germany who settled nr Ringing Rocks, same area & died 1739. The desc. .ged is mostly CumbCo Shenk and associated names: Kendig, Sollenberger, Hollinger, Evans, Sheaffer, Swartz, Mellinger, Stoller, Hutchinson, Tritt, Zollinger, Myers, Coover & Reese. Earl, let me know what you would like from me, Jack Clopper, Alexnadria, VA

Sylvia: I have tried this e-mail address but keep getting message no such carrier. I have tried it with "www", without "www"; I've tried lower case masthof and upper case Masthof, nothing works. Alyce Smith - ALYSYD@aol.com

Below are my Pennsylvania ancestors starting with my grandfather William James BEATTY. I would love to hear from any cousins, or even anyone who might have more information on any of my ancestors. I want to especially say thank you to Linda Mockenhaupt and Mary Hicks who were a tremendous help untangling my Klingensmith roots! And thank you to my cousin Carl Waltenbaugh for helping with some of my earlier research in Pennsylvania. Anyways, here goes: Generation No. 1 1. William James Beatty, born 05 Apr 1921 in Warren, Trumbull, Ohio; died 24 May 1992 in Central Point, Jackson, Oregon. He married (1) Ruth Elizabeth Johnson 23 Jul 1941 in Aberdeen, Gray's Harbor, Washington. She is the daughter of Dewey Albert Johnson and Clara Isabel Watson. He married (2) Alfreda Dell Owen 1949 in California. Generation No. 2 2. Paul Edgar Beatty, born 27 Jun 1898 in Leechburg, Armstrong, Pennsylvania; died 16 Jun 1946 in Leavittsburg, Trumbull, Ohio. He married 3. Margaret Ellen Nulph Dec 1916 in Leechburg, Armstrong, Pennsylvania. 3. Margaret Ellen Nulph, born 1899-1900 in Pennsylvania; died 12 Aug 1935 in Loomis, Placer, California. Generation No. 3 4. Daniel Craig Beatty, born Abt. 1871 in Armstrong Co, Pennsylvania; died 1926 in Leavittsburg, Trumbull, Ohio. He married 5. Mary Elizabeth Waltenbaugh Abt. 1894 in Armstrong Co, Pennsylvania. 5. Mary Elizabeth Waltenbaugh, born 10 Jul 1875 in Armstrong Co, Pennsylvania; died Sep 1954 in Pittsburg, Contra Costa, California. 6. James A. Nulph. He married 7. Mary Leona Platt. 7. Mary Leona Platt. Generation No. 4 8. Dave Beatty, born Abt. 1847 in Armstrong Co, Pennsylvania; died 11 Dec 1921 in Massillon, Stark, Ohio. He married 9. Emily Jane Bruner Abt. 1870. 9. Emily Jane Bruner, born 26 Jul 1851; died Bef. 1906 in Leechburg, Armstrong, Pennsylvania. 10. Lewis Alexander Waltenbaugh, born 02 Jul 1850 in Leechburg, Armstrong, Pennsylvania; died 11 Nov 1939 in Leechburg, Armstrong, Pennsylvania. He married 11. Nancy Jane Zelle Aft. Apr 1865. 11. Nancy Jane Zelle, born 02 Jun 1850; died 31 Jan 1917 in Leechburg, Armstong, Pennsylvania. 12. Abraham Nulph. He was the son of 24. Jacob Nulph. He married 13. Emma Gammon. 13. Emma Gammon. Generation No. 5 16. Samuel W. Beatty, born 1824 in Armstrong Co, Pennsylvania; died in Tarentum, Allegheny, Pennsylvania. He married 17. Mary Mott. 17. Mary Mott. 18. Samuel Bruner, born 01 Jan 1807; died 12 Nov 1879. He married 19. Margaret Stitt. 19. Margaret Stitt, born 04 Jul 1806 in Armstrong Co, Pennsylvania; died 12 Feb 1883. 20. John Adam Waltenbaugh, born 21 Nov 1821 in near Cochran's Mills, Armstrong, Pennsylvania. He married 21. Barbara Klingensmith. 21. Barbara Klingensmith, born 11 Nov 1820 in Pennsylvania; died 1900. 24. Jacob Nulph. 26. Arthur Gammon. Generation No. 6 32. William Beatty, born 1785; died 1867 in Armstrong County, Pennsylvania. He married 33. Isabella Colwell. 33. Isabella Colwell, born 1789; died 1873 in Armstrong County, Pennsylvania. 40. Jacob Waltenbaugh. He married 41. Ann Marie ?. 41. Ann Marie ?. 42. John George Klingensmith, born 19 Sep 1783 in Westmoreland Co, Pennsylvania; died 1857 in Leechburg, Armstrong, Pennsylvania. He married 43. Maria Elizabeth Klingensmith. 43. Maria Elizabeth Klingensmith, born 08 Jan 1785 in Westmoreland Co, Pennsylvania; died 06 Mar 1864. 48. Henry Nolf, died Dec 1831. He married 49. Mary Magdalena ?. 49. Mary Magdalena ?. Generation No. 7 84. John Peter Klingensmith, born 15 Apr 1755 in Berks Co, Pennsylvania; died Mar 1818. He married 85. Anna Margaretta Spahr. 85. Anna Margaretta Spahr. 86. John Philip Klingensmith, born 27 Oct 1757 in Berks Co, Pennsylvania; died Jul 1826. He married 87. Elizabeth Catherine Wannamaker. 87. Elizabeth Catherine Wannamaker, born 1760; died 1826. 96. Casper Nolf, born Aft. 1737; died 02 Jan 1837 in Eddyville, Pennsylvania. He married 97. Philippina ?. 97. Philippina ?. Generation No. 8 168. John Peter Klingensmith, born 1729; died 1783. He married 169. Maria Elizabeth Kauffer 1749. 169. Maria Elizabeth Kauffer, died 1783. 172. John Peter Klingensmith, born 1729; died 1783. He married 173. Maria Elizabeth Kauffer 1749. 173. Maria Elizabeth Kauffer, died 1783. 174. John Peter Wannamaker, born Abt. 1739 in Lehigh Twp, Northampton, Pennsylvania; died Aft. 1807. He married 175. Christina Walthouse. 175. Christina Walthouse. 192. Laurentius Nolf, born 20 Dec 1702 in Grossgartach, Germany; died Bef. 1762. He married 193. Anna Maria Werner 31 Aug 1728 in Leingarten, Schluchtern, Germany. 193. Anna Maria Werner, born 04 Jul 1707 in Grossgartach, Germany. Generation No. 9 336. George Klingensmith, born 16 Jul 1701. He married 337. Anna Steltzmeier 16 Jul 1724. 337. Anna Steltzmeier. 338. Henry Kauffer. 344. George Klingensmith, born 16 Jul 1701. He married 345. Anna Steltzmeier 16 Jul 1724. 345. Anna Steltzmeier. 346. Henry Kauffer. 348. George Wannamaker, born Abt. 1701 in Germany; died 06 Jan 1795. He married 349. Elizabeth Catherine ?. 349. Elizabeth Catherine ?, died Bef. 21 Apr 1807 in Towamansing Twp, Lehigh, Pennsylvania. 384. Laurentius Nolff, born 11 Aug 1677 in Grossgartach, Germany; died 14 Mar 1742 in Grossgartach, Germany. He married 385. Elizabetha Lindenmayer 14 Feb 1699 in Grossgartach, Germany. 385. Elizabetha Lindenmayer, born 11 Mar 1678 in Grossgartach, Germany; died 17 Jan 1755 in Grossgartach, Germany. 386. Phillip Werner, born 12 Mar 1679 in Grossgartach, Germany; died 13 Sep 1753 in Grossgartach, Germany. He married 387. Anna Margaretha ? 14 Nov 1699 in Biberach, Germany. 387. Anna Margaretha ?, born 07 Aug 1675 in Grossgartach, Germany; died 28 Feb 1743 in Grossgartach, Germany. Generation No. 10 672. Joseph Klingensmith, born Abt. 1662 in Germany. 688. Joseph Klingensmith, born Abt. 1662 in Germany. 768. Johann Carolus Nolff, born 27 Jan 1650 in Grossgartach, Germany; died 25 Oct 1710 in Grossgartach, Germany. He married 769. Catharina Bremmer 07 Mar 1671 in Grossgartach, Germany. 769. Catharina Bremmer, born 13 Feb 1649 in Grossgartach, Germany; died Bef. 13 Nov 1688 in Grossgartach, Germany. 770. Jerg Lindenmayer. He married 771. Anna Maria Goldberger. 771. Anna Maria Goldberger. 772. Wendel Werner. He married 773. Regina Müller. 773. Regina Müller. Generation No. 11 1344. Joseph Klingensmith, born 1635 in Lorraine, Germany. He married 1345. Elizabeth Reichart. 1345. Elizabeth Reichart. 1376. Joseph Klingensmith, born 1635 in Lorraine, Germany. He married 1377. Elizabeth Reichart. 1377. Elizabeth Reichart. 1536. Hanß Wendel Nolff, born 13 Dec 1625 in Grossgartach, Germany; died 25 Sep 1675 in Grossgartach, Germany. He married 1537. Anna Auberger 30 Jun 1648 in Grossgartach, Germany. 1537. Anna Auberger, born 16 Jan 1624 in Grossgartach, Germany; died 04 Jun 1670 in Grossgartach, Germany. 1538. Johann Bremmer. He married 1539. Anna Elisabeth Heser. 1539. Anna Elisabeth Heser. Generation No. 12 2688. Andrew Klingensmith, born 1595. 2752. Andrew Klingensmith, born 1595. 3072. Hannß Nolff, born 04 Aug 1591 in Grossgartach, Germany; died 25 Oct 1626 in Grossgartach, Germany. He married 3073. Anna Rieckher 06 Jun 1620 in Grossgartach, Germany. 3073. Anna Rieckher, born 18 May 1595 in Grossgartach, Germany. 3074. Phillipp Auberger. Generation No. 13 6144. Lorenz Nolff, born Abt. 1563. He married 6145. Anna Schnepf 06 Sep 1590 in Grossgartach, Germany. 6145. Anna Schnepf, born 16 May 1566 in Grossgartach, Germany; died 24 Oct 1626 in Grossgartach, Germany. 6146. Hannß Rieckher. He married 6147. Catharina Marstaller. 6147. Catharina Marstaller. Generation No. 14 12288. Hans Nolff. 12290. Wendel Schnepf. He married 12291. Anna ?. 12291. Anna ?.

I think it is : masthof@ptdprolog.net Sylvia

Noted area (Berks Co, PA) genealogist/historian, Schuyler Brossman, has been contributing articles to area newspapers for many years now, which have included queries submitted by readers, as well as notices of upcoming family reunions. These articles are quite informative to many of us, and (thankfully) now available on-line. To view the current article, visit the following URL: www.harrisburg.com/root.html I just "stumbled" upon it myself, but it is certainly worth taking a look. Maria

I have several of these things on the Treasures page on our greenapple site. It's there for your convience, I hope it helps! http://www.greenapple.com/~pastor751 Teri ---------- > From: Bruce Ludwig <bludwig@ptialaska.net> > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Time - Date List > Date: September 09, 1997 12:55 PM > > > > TIME LINE > 1607 Jamestown, Virginia > 1620 Plymouth Colony > 1638 New Sweden populated > 1692 Salem Witch Trials > 1706-1790 Benjamin Franklin > 1732-1977 George Washington > 1743-1826 Thomas Jefferson > 1754-1763 French and Indian War > 1769 Watts patented steam engine > 1770 Boston Massacre > 1776 San Francisco founded > 1776 Declaration of Independence > 1788-1797 Presidential Terms for George Washington > 1801-1809 Presidential Terms for Thomas Jefferson > 1804-1806 Lewis and Clark Expeditions > 1809-1865 Abraham Lincoln > 1812-1815 War of 1812 > 1819 Bicycle patented in U.S. > 1819-1825 Erie Canal > 1829 First Railroad > 1836 Fall of the Alamo > 1837 Daguerreotype photograhy > 1837 Morse Telegraph > 1838 Removal of Cherokee Indians > 1840-1880 Indian Wars west of the Mississippi > 1846-1848 Mexican War > 1849 Gold Rush > 1859 Charles Darwin's "The Origin of Species" > 1860-1861 Pony Express > 1861-1865 Presidential Terms for Abraham Lincoln > 1861-1865 Civil War > 1876 Battle of the Little Bighorn > 1877 First Telephone > 1877 Phonograph > 1885 Car patented by Karl Benz > 1885-1889 First Term of President Grover Cleveland > 1890 Battle of Wounded Knee > 1893-1897 Second Term of President Grover Cleveland > 1903 Wright Brothers > 1908 Model T > 1914-1918 World War I > 1939-1945 World War II > 1950-1953 Korean War > > > > > > At 02:13 AM 9/9/97 -0500, William A. Gochenour Jr. wrote: > >Hi!!! > > > >A while back someone posted a copy of a list of times & dates that diseases > >and wars and etc broke out. I'm sure I saved it somewhere, but now that I > >need it I can't find it. > > > >Could someone repost it or send it to me privately. > > > >Thanks. > > > >William > >**************************************************** > >Gochenour Genealogy Web page at: > >http://www.why.net/users/w.a.goch/wm.htm > >William A. Gochenour Jr. > >. > > > > > > > > >