Sorry David, you'd be waisting your money. Infact I thought I saw a news release someplace about Halbert's being investigated about the way they advertise. I got suckered once and it was so impressive that I can't even find it right now!

My mother thought she would do me a favor and wasted her $20 on a so-called Kreisher book. Needless to say, she never got her refund. Ken ---------- : From: Lee & Rod Rhodes <lee@bambam.swlink.net> : To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Halbert's : Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 23:46 : : Sorry David, you'd be waisting your money. Infact I thought I saw a news : release someplace about Halbert's being investigated about the way they : advertise. I got suckered once and it was so impressive that I can't even : find it right now! :

Margaret J Stevens wrote: > > Hi, > I thought the bottom line of your story was to have been the trunk was > found; the contents inventoried and she had grossly overstated her > losses. Guess I should have more faith in people's honesty. (Too many > years as a probation officer has done this to me. > Joyce Stevens > Family genealogists never die; they just lose their census! Well, that lady was one RICH lady. I don't even carry clothes worth that much when I travel. Many women in those days had only one good dress, usually their Sunday best. And two MAYBE 3 dresses for the rest of the week. (Usually only 2, one to wear all week, then one to wear while the first dress was washed). Brenda Hébert http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/e/b/Brenda-M-Hebert

Today I received an advertisement from Halbert's concerning their Census Book Offer. Normally I am quite suspicious about such companies, but I don't want to miss a good thing, if it is. > Their pitch to me is a book: "The Huffines in America: From 1790 to 1997." The book purports to contain records of 61 Huffines who have been recorded since the first census in 1790. (I think that I probably have more census appearances than that, especially if you count the other variant spellings.) Then it says that there are 437 Huffines Households in the US and they are going to give me those with addresses. (I have all that on my phone directory CD's.) > There is a careful disclaimer: "No direct genealogical connection to your family or to your ancestry is implied or intended." > Satisfaction if Guaranteed and an "unquestioned full refund of the purchase price" if returned within 15 days of receipt. Has anyone had any experience with this? or with this company? > David Huffines

Loved the traveling lady anecdote, Evelyn. Please do post more. I too noticed the dearth of drawers. Couldn't be delicacy, or she wouldn't have mentioned the one pair! Bonny

Hi, I thought the bottom line of your story was to have been the trunk was found; the contents inventoried and she had grossly overstated her losses. Guess I should have more faith in people's honesty. (Too many years as a probation officer has done this to me. Joyce Stevens Family genealogists never die; they just lose their census!

Dear, dear David! Forgive my outburst regarding your message!!! :-D Oh, I can't BELIEVE that Sharon Taylor, aka Halbert's, Inc., 3699 Ira Road, Bath, Ohio 44210 is still actually in business!! BTW, I am only ASSUMING that she's still involved under that name and that is the current address of Halbert's. I've been receiving similar mail from her under various disguises for well over 10 years, I have seen a copy of one of her so-called-family "registries" and rather go into detail (that my be considered libelous by her attornies--and I feel certain that she has a whole stable full), I will just give my personal opinion from my personal observation. Since I know that you have done a great deal of work on your personal Huffines family, I feel that you will not be any further ahead by purchasing the book that Halbert is advertising. A PA-Dutch friend, vee David Huffines wrote: > > Today I received an advertisement from Halbert's concerning their Census > Book Offer. Normally I am quite suspicious about such companies, but I > don't want to miss a good thing, if it is. > > > Their pitch to me is a book: "The Huffines in America: From 1790 to 1997." > The book purports to contain records of 61 Huffines who have been recorded > since the first census in 1790. (I think that I probably have more census > appearances than that, especially if you count the other variant > spellings.) Then it says that there are 437 Huffines Households in the US > and they are going to give me those with addresses. (I have all that on my > phone directory CD's.) > > > There is a careful disclaimer: "No direct genealogical connection to your > family or to your ancestry is implied or intended." > > > Satisfaction if Guaranteed and an "unquestioned full refund of the purchase > price" if returned within 15 days of receipt. Has anyone had any > experience with this? or with this company? > > > > David Huffines

Hi Group, Since the mail has been very sparse of late, this may be a good time to post some interesting stories. Those of you who enjoyed the Germantown stories, will remember several mentions and quotes from "Watson's Annals of Pennsylvania" . I have had the good fortune to locate these two books, over 600 pages each, published in 1868, but written during the 1840's. Most of the material is about the Philadelphia/Germantown area, with mentions and short stories about other areas near to these areas. While the major part of this work is history, I will today post a humorous story [at least to me, but not to the lady in question]. I will be happy to continue to post some information from these books if the group is enjoying it. If it becomes tiresome, just let me know. Evelyn ANNALS OF PHILADELPHIA and PENNSYLVANIA in the olden time, being a collection of MEMOIRS, ANECDOTE, and INCIDENTS from the days of the founders By JOHN F. WATSON member of the Historical Societies of PA, NY., & Mass. Vol 2...page 630....Appendix A LADY'S TRAVELING WARDROBE A few months since, a lady from a neighboring city passed through Baltimore en route to Washington, expecting to be absent from her home for two days. In the rush of travel about that time, two trunks, containing her wardrobe, were missed; and as she held the checks of one of our railroads for them, the company, of course, were liable for the contents. She was requested to give, as far as she could remember, a list of the articles and their value; when the following list was forwarded, and is now among the archives of the office: One diamond bracelet and pin, 459 dollars; one hair bracelet, 60 dollars; one ditto, 20 dollars; two heavy gold rings, 20 dollars; one coral bracelet and pin, 35 dollars; one pearl fan, 15 dollars; one gold chain, 20 dollars; one brilliant pin, 10 dollars; two small coral bracelets, 7 dollars; two pearl card cases 15 dollars. Artificial flowers, 30 dollars. One set honiton laces, 20 dollars; one set valenciennes laces, 20 dollars; one set applique laces, 20 dollars; other collars and sleeves, 40 dollars; one handkerchief, 12 dollars; one ditto, 5 dollars; one ditto, 8 dollars; one ditto, 7 dollars; one ditto, 5 dollars; one ditto, 3 dollars; others amount to 30 dollars. Bouquet holder; 10 dollars; Opera cloak, 30 dollars; Ermine furs, 30 dollars. One velvet mantilla, 30 dollars; one parasol, 5 dollars; two embroidered skirts, 40 dollars; one black flounced dress, 45 dollars; one pink flounced dress, 55 dollars; one buff flounced dress, 45 dollars; one buff plain silk, 10 dollars; one blue brocade, 25 dollars; one ditto, 20 dollars; one white muslin flounced, 35 dollars; one ditto 30 dollars; one brown merino, 30 dollars. One black basque, 18 dollars; one black satin basque, 12 dollars; one plain ashes of rose basque, 12 dollars. Two lace skirts, 25 dollars. One morning dress, raw silk, 25 dollars. One drab woolen skirt, 8 dollars; one white embroidered skirt, 10 dollars. Two long night-dresses, 10 dollars; one pair of drawers, 2 dollars; two chemises, 5 dollars; one pair corsets, 3 dollars; two pair white silk hose, 6 dollars; one pair black silk hose, 3 dollars; three pair lisle thread hose, 3 dollars; five pair cotton hose, 6 dollars. One pair white kid gaiters, 4 dollars; one pair brown and bronze gaiters, 6 dollars; one pair walking boots, 7 dollars; one pair red kid slippers, 2 dollars; one pair bronze kid slippers, 2 dollars; one pair black prunell slippers, 2 dollars. Two ivory stick fans, 7 dollars; one white paper fan, 1 dollar; one shell comb, 4 dollars; one dressing comb, 4 dollars; one brush, 3 dollars; one braid hair, 4 dollars; one set curls, 7 dollars; one head dress, 10 dollars; two ditto, 10 dollars; three night caps, 2 dollars; one book, 1 dollar; one opera-glass, 18 dollars; two hand mirrors, 2 dollars; one glove box, 3 dollars; seven pair gloves, 7 dollars; two pair mitts, 6 dollars; one ditto, 5 dollars; five plain skirts, 10 dollars; two flannel skirts, 4 dollars; one black silk basque, 12 dollars; one all wool delaine dress, 7dollars; one brown poplein dress, 7 dollars; one night dress, 2 dollars. Plain skirt, 1 dollar. Trunk, 30 dollars; ditto, 15 dollars. Portfolio, 4 dollars. Flounced skirts, 5 dollars. Letter paper, pens, water-colors, drawings, letter, bills, &c., Total, 1765 dollars. The forgoing catalogue was given as all that could be remembered at the time, but the next day another list was received, enumerating articles to the value of 300 dollars, making the grand total of the value of a young lady's wardrobe over 2000 dollars independent of the dresses, jewelry, &c., which she was wearing at the time the trunks were lost. Fortunately, however, for the company, the missing trunks were found, having been miscarried, and their contents all safe.---"Baltimore American" ---May 1857. The reader should observe, how little there is, of real necessary clothing---Say, only one pair drawers, and two Chemisettes. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

I'm still here, Barb. Just to tell everyone..my new Email is nanna_pearls@classic.msn.com. MSN changed it and I haven't informed everyone. The message they sent was to unsubscribe to all lists and then resubscribe with new address. Didn't know how to unsubscribe. Sorry, but I forgot to save directions. Do I send to listserve@listserve....? Rod, could not send this message to Barb. Don't know what problem is. SinceI don't know her, can you help? Number of messages do seem to be down. What's up? Thanks. Joanna Hershner ---------- From: Broup10@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 1997 9:23 PM To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Test Sorry, but I'm not getting any mail, is everyone so quite. Barb

received, jc

It would depend upon their interest. At 09:35 PM 9/15/97 -0400, Margaret J Stevens wrote: >Aren't food banks willing to take free food? >Joyce Stevens >Family genealogists never die; they just lose their census! > > >

Sorry, but I'm not getting any mail, is everyone so quite. Barb

Aren't food banks willing to take free food? Joyce Stevens Family genealogists never die; they just lose their census!

Have it. It consist of images on the CD. Requires newer versions of FTM, or the FTM viewer to search. With OCR software, the images could be converted to text, however the quality is poor and I only got a 85% conversion with TextBridge. I will be testing other OCR programs on it later. Is it worth the money? "For those who would like to read this kind of book, this is a good book." It does contain some good data. The quality of the product is not the best in the world (I've seen better - I've seen worse). Hope this helps. Andy Swicegood andy@swicegood.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/9158/index.html

I was thinking of purchasing the FTM CD#163 "Family History: PA Genealogies #1, pre-1600 to 1900s" and I was wondering if anyone had it already? If someone does, could they please e-mail me so I may ask some questions about it and find out if it would be worth the money ($39.95)? Thank you! Brenda Hébert

Vee, In our neighborhood, we fill up large grocery bags with our "excess" vegtables, leave them at a neighbors door, ring the bell and run!! Sue

Hello All Penna Dutchers, Thanks to you all who responded to the Tater Sausage Question, Im hearing now that there really was such a thing, amazing when you consider that friend Kevin had a dream in which his grandmother visited him, very life like, in which she spent the whole time making and instructing him along the way, on potatoe sausage. He told me about it and said hed never heard of such a thing, nor had I. I wonder what she was trying to tell him? Please enjoy the following excerpt from a old Norsk Cook book, one of the Norway list subscribers sent. I think Norsk and Swedish cooking were similar. Sincerely Karla Mattila> > >To: klabo@cport.com >From: Michael G Landmark <landmark@inet.uni-c.dk> >Subject: Anyone for Blood á la Norvegienne? > >How to serve Old Norwegian Blood Dishes: > >Calf's blood for cakes (balls) and pudding: >Calf's blood can be used for both cakes and pudding. The blood is strained. >For approx. 1 liter of blood, take 1 full spoon of salt, 4 spoons of syrup, >half a teaspoon of allspice, a quarter of a teaspoon of pepper. One cup of >fresh milk may be used for diluting. Flour of rye, semolina or buckwheat can >be used, and the mix must be thick that the batter can barely stand upright >in it. If the mix is for cakes, one puts no fat in it, is it for pudding, >one can add peels of fat to one's liking. When you are ready to fry the >cakes, put a little fat on the frying pan. Use a scoop to spread small >quantities around on the pan and let them stay with slow heat for 4 minutes >on the one side. Then add more fat and turn them and let them fry quietly >for 5 minutes so that the cakes are fried thoroughly for a total of approx. >10 minutes. Then they are ready. > >If you want blood pudding, you put the mix into a form with closed lid or >into a tin canister. The form or tin canister must be greased thoroughly >with fat or butter before putting in the mix. If you cook it in a canister >this should be tall and slim and the mix must not stand higher than you can >have ample water above it, otherwise it will not be cooked. You cook it in >the following way: put the canister into a tall casserole with boiling water >and place something heavy on the canister to make it stand steady. As there >is a tube up from a pudding form, it is always better to cook it in that, as >the heat then will penetrate the inner parts of the pudding. Pudding form >with a tight, good lid should be placed in a canister with water with a >tight lid over the slow cooker - the steam will then help to cook the >pudding. About 3 hours of cooking is needed in both cases. > >The sauce for blood cakes/pudding: >Melt fat in a pot and when it is a little brown, add 1 topped spoon of wheat >flour and dilute with 0,25 liter of sour milk, ,025 liter fresh or salted >meat stock and 2 spoons of syrup. Add 1 topped teaspoon of salt, if the >result is not salt enough already. This sauce is very good and is used for >blood cakes and pudding. If you do not have stock, you will have to use more >sour milk and a little water instead and then add more salt. > >Blood pudding and blood sausages: >Blood should always be strained right after the slaughter and even again >before using it as it will usually coagulate. Oxblood is always somewhat >heavier than calf's blood and you can therefore add more milk or water. >Otherwise the preparation is the same (see above "Calf's blood for cakes and >pudding"). The blood sausages are made the same way, make them more or less >sweet as to your liking. > >From "KOKEBOK FOR LAND OG BY" by Marie Landmark, Fjaler Sogelag 1984. (She >is my first cousin thrice removed and her book was first published in 1892.) >(PS: personally I prefer to have bloodpudding served with very crispy, >freshly fried pieces of bacon and with a dash of sugar on top of the pudding!) > >Bon Appetit, everyone! >Michael G Landmark >Scandinavian Motivation Service >Address Hestkøb Vænge 33 > DK-3460 Birkerød, Denmark >Phones: > Voice +45 4281 4024 > Fax/Data +45 4281 6025 > Mobile +45 4056 6025 >E-mail landmark@inet.uni-c.dk >HomePage http://www.inet.uni-c.dk/home/landmark > "Seeking LANDMARK descendants worldwide!" > DIS member DK: 2616, N: 5153, S: 8266 > >

DIDJA LOCK THE CAR DOORS? Scene: Mid September, B-Kwik parking lot in the village of Youngstown, NY Martha to John: Didja lock the car doors? John to Martha: Do you think I’m crazy? Of COURSE I did! No, they weren’t afraid that if they left the car unlocked it would be stolen. They were afraid that as soon as they were out of sight some neighbor would sneak up and fill it up with his excess harvest of zucchini and yellow squash and a ton of ripe tomatoes! Yes, it’s that time of year around here. Everyone who planted a vegetable garden this past spring realizes once again that it wasn’t such a good idea to plant 50 tomato plants for just the two of them! And, yes, zucchini and yellow squash and tomatoes are delicious and so are beans and green peppers and eggplant. And melons and corn and cucumbers and all the other delicious delicacies that can be grown in just a small patch out back. But what do you do when you have had your fill of eating them, of trying to find some sort of a different recipe for them and have just about had it standing over a steaming canning kettle putting everything up in Mason jars when you still have a cellar full from last year??? What do you do?? You try to give them away! You load up a card table in the front yard with them and put out a “Free” sign on it. Oh, what a great feeling when someone actually pulls up and takes a few of them off your hands! You call all your neighbors and even offer to deliver some to them--as many as they would like! And then when that fails, you start lurking around the market parking lot ready to pounce on the first fool who leaves his car doors unlocked! Scene: Later that evening at home. John to Martha: Quick, outen the lights! Here comes our neighbor Henry with a loaded wheelbarrow of vegetables! Did Martha outen the lights? What, do you think she’s crazy? Of COURSE she did! vee

Brenda Hebert wrote: > > > She also made a thing called Blod Pudding and Blod Sausage. Thanks for the > My 1/2 German, 1/2 Irish grandmother thought blood sausage was a >"French > thing" LOL I guess my French ancestors weren't the only ones to make > blood sausage. Me, I don't know if I could eat it. It just doesn't sound > very good! And to think, the kosher Jews do not eat blood. Their meat is > drained of blood before they will eat it. I think almost every ethnic group has something they consider a delicacy, often made out of some part of the innards, that those of other groups who did not encounter it in childhood think is a revolting idea. With the Germans and PaGermans it may be some of this blood sausage, which I am not familar with, but I also think of liverwurst (Braunschweiger). My husband won't have anything to do with that but he goes to Scottish festivals and eats the haggis, which I cannot get down. I also think of the English steak-and-kidney, the Jewish chopped liver, the Black Chittlins. All of these tend to be in this category - those who grew up with them think they are great but others find it hard to relate to, to put it mildly. I'm not sure what would be a French equivalent; sweetbreads, maybe? -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ

Just wanted to thank all of you who showed me where to find New Columbus Boro. I couldn't find it even on an old map at the library, but guess wasn't looking in the right place. Thanks for your help. Marian