Does anyone know who were the parents of Henry HUBER 1741-1813 m. Anna HERR(92) dau. of Abraham HERR and Feronika BUCKWALTER? They lived on land adjoining Beaver Creek near New Providence, Lancaster County. Was it he or possibly his father, a different Henry HUBER who owned land adjoining Henry HERR m. Anna KREIDER in 1760? thanks rod

Researching and and all GRIFFITHs of Brecknock Twp, Berks County. The family was in the twp before 1750 ish. Common GRIFFITH names-John, Issac, Evan. Intermarried with GOOD, KRAMER, SNYDER and other Brecknock twp, Berks, Caernarvon and W. Earl twps area of Lancaster County. Please contact me if you have any GRIFFITHs thanks rod

Shoemaker Joseph KRAMER b. 1823/4 m. Evanah/ Eve Anna/ Eve Ann b. 1828/9. 5 ch. 1851-1858 They lived in Caernarvon twp, Lancaster county in 1860 and may have grown up in Brecknock Twp. of Berks County. They likely belonged to Allegheny Reformed Church. Is Joseph the son of Henry KRAMER? Joseph and Eve Ann (per 1850 census) were married with no children in 1850. No clues as to Eve Ann's last name and I have no dates of death for either. There were a few KRAMER families in this area at the time. Has anyone intersected with them? their dau. Elizabeth KRAMER 1852-1925 m. John GRIFFITH 1849-1929 of Brecknock Twp, Berks County. In 1870 at age 18 Eliz. was a domestic servant living in the home of Christian STAUFFER. Any help would be appreciated. thanks rod

Elizabeth MUSSER 1801 m. Christian BOWMAN 1797. Who were Elizabeth's parents? Who were their children? They lived in the Allegheny Valley area of Brecknock twp of Berks County. Thanks rod

I need to fill in the paternity of this Daniel REYNOLDS and confirm the proposed family composition. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks, Kay Inman Descendants of Daniel Reynolds 1 Daniel REYNOLDS b: Abt. 1780 in OH?/PA? d: in KY?VA?/TN? .. +Unknown Wife Of David Reynolds b: Abt. 1780 in OH?/VA? m: Bef. 1807 in VA? d: Bef. 1831 Father: Mother: ..... 2 Noah REYNOLDS b: Abt. 1807 1860 Fed Census of Letcher Co, KY ......... +Mary Father: Mother: ..... 2 Hampton REYNOLDS b: Abt. 1808 in NC d: in Scott Co, VA? 1850 Fed Census of Scott Co, VA ......... +Catherine H. d: in Scott Co, VA? Father: Mother: ..... 2 Joseph REYNOLDS b: 1809 in VA/NC? 1860 Fed Census of Letcher Co, KY ......... +Queentena Tina AMBURGEY b: May 17, 1811 in NC m: Abt. 1832 Amburgey Ancestry in America, by Dorothy Amburgey Griffith Father: John AMBURGEY Mother: Elizabeth HAMONS ..... 2 Lucy REYNOLDS b: Abt. 1812 ......... +John STANDEFORD m: December 29, 1830 in Lee Co, VA Father: Mother: ..... 2 Daniel Or David REYNOLDS b: Abt. 1813 1880 Fed Census of Lee Co, VA ......... +Mary COOPER Father: Mother: ..... 2 Nancy Jane REYNOLDS b: 1814 in VA d: 1880 in Polls Creek, Leslie Co, KY ......... +Samuel CLARKSTON b: 1812 in Lee Co, VA m: March 10, 1831 in Lee Co, VA d: Abt. 1881 in Polls Creek, Leslie Co, KY Father: Thomas CLARKSTON Mother: Nellie FEATHERS ..... 2 Henry REYNOLDS b: 1815 1850 Fed Census of Scott Co, VA ......... +Malinda RASNICK m: July 2, 1835 in Lee Co, VA Father: Mother:

I'm looking for information on my gr-gr-gr grandfather Arthur GAMMON, who came from France to Pennsylvania about 1848. I don't know his wife's name, I only know his daughter Emma GAMMON married Abraham NULPH. The son of Abraham and Emma was James A. NULPH who married Mary Leona PLATT in the early 1880s I believe. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Brenda Hébert http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/e/b/Brenda-M-Hebert

Hi Folks, I really, really, will post all the suggestions for cleaning of tombstones. BUT I am still waiting to hear from the "Association for Gravestone Studies". I have had so many responses...it is really gratifying. Some I have received are: 1 Mild soap and water and a soft brush 2 Use a lichincide 3 Don't touch it 4 Contact "Association for Gravestone Studies" (This I have done - will post the answer as soon as it arrives) 5 Lichin destroys....use bleach and water 6 Try white vinegar 7 Contact a monument company The stone I am trying to preserve is over 200 years old. My 5th great grandfather died in 1792 at age 109 years, 6 months and 21 days. I don't want to take a chance and do harm. I will wait for an answer from "Association for Gravestone Studies" then I will post whatever they suggest. I have seen too many stones where the writing is no longer readable. I want to preserve this stone but I want to be sure I do the right thing. Thanks for all the help. Marion Bale

CHARLES B. CA 1831,PENNA. ARR. IN DIAMOND SPRINGS, CALIF. ABT 1850, LAWYER IN PLACERVILLE AND ELDORADO WITH A GEORGE BLANCHARD. MAR. MARY J. MATTHEWS 1860,HAS EDWARD H. 1862, DIED 1865. LOOKING FOR PARENTS AND PLACE OF BIRTH OF ;CHARLES

Gov. Francis Rawn SHUNK, m. ---?--- LINDSAY, a sister to Archibald LINDSAY. Gov. SHUNK, was the son of John SHUNK and wf. Elizabeth RAWN. Was Elizabeth SHUNK, b. ca. 1739; d. 1816, Pittsburgh, the wife of Melchior BELTZHOOVER, a sister of Gov. SHUNK's? Thanks very much. Or can you tell me who to E-Mail? Gayle O. Kamp 7741 Lola Court, Indianapolis, IN 46219-3819 E-Mail gokamp@aol.com

This might make a good companion piece. I wrote it about my self before I got a second phone line. Grandma’s Surfin’ the ‘Net by Kathryn Parks Grandma used to make us cherry pies and call us on the phone. She would talk to us for hours; now she leaves us all alone. We miss her homemade biscuits and I’ll make this little bet, If we want to contact Grandma, she’ll be surin’ the ‘net! Chorus: Grandma’s surfin’ the ‘net, yes, she’s surfin’ the ‘net! We’ve been calling her all morning and we haven’t got her yet. She’s on her e-mail surname list with her electronic friends. If you want to talk to Grandma, you’ll have to surf the ‘net. Second Verse: Grandma’s never surfed at Malibu or caught a wave at Waikiki. She’s never seen a surf board, “Hang ten!”, just doesn’t mean a thing. She’s never met a beach bum; to her Moon Doggie’s just a pup. But when she heads to her computer, then you know the surf is up!! Repeat Chorus: Grandma’s getting older and her eyes are getting dim; Her random access memory is half of what it’s been. When St. Peter comes to call, she’ll say, “I’m not going yet! He’ll have to wait on Grandma, ‘cause she’s surfin’ the ‘net. Repeat Chorus:

Am looking for resources to track down ancestors coming from Wurtemburg, Germany. Have names and some dates. Looks like various branches came over at different times. Looking for resources in Germany to help. SHILLING family. Roger Cramer, Rockford, IL http://members.aol.com/rogercubs/index.html

I am very sorry for the multiple posts, but have managed to *brilliantly* erase all my email messages. Thought I had moved them to a safe folder, but the folder is gone also. The most disgusting part is that though I reinstalled IE mail and news, I still don't have a working Spell Checker. If anyone has sent me an email message since about 9pm last night, please resend! I had over 200 messages today and had weeded out those I didn't need, but had not responded to those I needed to answer. Again, I am sorry! Teri Terry (Phil 4:13) Teri (Ps 37:5) pastor751@greenapple.com http://www.greenapple.com/~pastor751 CLEAVELAND-L@rootsweb.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnisanti/Isanti/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~mtwheatl/index.html

Bonnie Malmat, I trust that this is a proper inquiry properly addressed. Question: What is the surname of Catharine -? married to: My own GGGF JACOB CLOPPER, b. 14 Dec 1805 nr Leitersburg, s/o Heinrich Klapper/Clopper & Barbara Ritter (1776-1858) married Catharine -?, before 1834, she b. 31 Dec 1804, d- 19 Jan 1858 in Blairs Valley & bur. St Peters Lutheran, Clear Spring. Jacob appears in the following censuses: 1820 FranCoPa, Washington twp, apparently near Wingerton, as dependent w/m. 1830 FranCoPa, ditto, but as head of household, with Barbara Clopper, age 54. 1860 WashCoMd, Blair's Valley, with four children, but no spouse. Jacob's brother is buried at Stateline Union Church, his mother at Jacob's Church, Leitersburg. It would seem that they were married after the 1830 census and before the birth of their first child, John (my GGF), b- 27 Jun 1834. Given the locations lived, they could have been married on either side of the stateline anywhere between South Mountain and Blair's Valley. Barbara Ritter was Lutheran, but Jacob & Catharine's children were: Church of God in BV, Ch of the Brethren, Broadfording and Brethren in Christ, Welsh Run. Sorry for the lenghtly ask, but as you can see this ones difficult. I cannot find their marriage at the Ct Hs in Hagerstown and as you know the marriage records from that period in FranCoPa were burned. with thanks for your consideration, Jack Clopper in Alexandria, VA

Hi folks, So nice to have so many people respond to my request for information on how to clean lichen from a 200 year old tombstone. I am currently waiting for a response from "The Association for Gravestone Studies" in Massachusettes - ags@berkshire.net Many thanks for all your helpful suggestions. Marion Bale

My Sunday paper carries a genealogy column by Myra V. Gormley. This week's column was about places on the net that give courses in genealogy. She mentioned several websites. I am not advertising these, I am not endorsing them, and I have not tried any of them; but I will email a list of them with summaries of what she says they are about, to anyone who emails me and asks for it. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ

Jan, Please send me the material you allude to. Thanks. Ken >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 10:26 AM 9/22/97 -0700, Janice A. Frank wrote: >My Sunday paper carries a genealogy column by Myra V. Gormley. This >week's column was about places on the net that give courses in >genealogy. She mentioned several websites. > >I am not advertising these, I am not endorsing them, and I have not >tried any of them; but I will email a list of them with summaries of >what she says they are about, to anyone who emails me and asks for it. > >-- >jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> > >Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ > >

I'm perplexed. A distant cousin has traced our Kleindienst line to the Auenstein/Crailsheim/Maulach area near Stuttgart in Baden-Wurttemberg. The immigrant was David Kleindienst, whose earliest ancestor was Balthasar Kleindienst, born in Maulach in 1524. David hit America in either 1749 (U.S. sources) or 1752 (German sources). What perplexes me is that there also were Kleindiensts in Rhineland-Palatinate in the Bad Kreuznach area. That is where many other immigrants to York County, Pa., originated, and could be the home of another David Kleindienst, whom we have been unable to document. Are there any people with knowledge of Kleindienst ancestry, or with knowledge of any relationship between the Bad Kreuznach area and Stuttgart area in Germany in the mid-1700s? There is scant evidence to connect David of Auenstein to the David who arrived in 1749. I'm looking for a firm connection of my David to somewhere or someone in Germany. Many thanks, Phil Klinedinst klinedinst@juno.com

WATSON'S ANNALS OF PHILADELPHIA Vol.2 Printed in 1857 General Washington was often to be seen riding abroad, with a black servant, having a guard and some officers in company. How different things THEN, from what he must have afterwards witnessed them, when a summer resident in Germantown, and going occasionally over the same happy and prosperous neighourhoods, witnessing their changes and improvements. In preserving the remembrance of the past, I may mention that the house in which I dwell was the residence of THOMAS JEFFERSON, in 1793, when he was secretary of state. The same house was before occupied by John De Braine, a French-German, distinguished as an astronomer; who published, while here, several small publications, and diagrams, too occult to be understood ! Persons now visiting Germantown, and witnessing its universal ENGLISH population, could hardly imagine that a place so near Philadelphia could have retained its GERMAN CHARACTER, down to the year 1793. Before that time, all the public preaching was in German; and nearly all the plays of the boys, and their conversation, was in that tongue. The yellow fever of 1793 brought out here all the officers of the general and state governments, and of the banks, and filled all the houses with new inmates. In the next and subsequent years, sundry families from the city became summer residents. Then English succeeded rapidly; and soon after, increased desires for English preaching, in part, began to be manifested among the young, and to be resisted by the aged. Then, Runkle, Wack, and others, who could preach to both languages, were induced. Now, Mr. Richards is the only one who preaches in German, and that only once a month; the chief of his sermons are in English. The Methodists were the first who introduced English preaching---they beginning in the school house, at first. While the British were here, the chaplains of the Hessians preached in the German churches, and two remained in this country after the war. One of them, the Rev. Mr. Schaeffer, took the Lutheran church, in Germantown. The yellow fever could make no headway in Germantown, although so near Philadelphia; only six or eight persons died of it here, and they had derived it from Philadelphia. The place is always pre-eminently healthy. Many remember General Washington's very civil and courteous demeanour to all classes in the town, as he occasionally had intercourse with them. He has been seen several times at Henry Fraley's carpenter shop, and at Bringhurst's blacksmith shop, talking freely and cordially with both. They had both been in some of his campaigns. His lady endeared herself to many, by her uniform gentleness and kindness. Neither of them showed pride or austerity. Germantown was the first place in our country to declare against the practice of SLAVERY. The declaration proceeded from the Friends' meeting, of whom the chief members at the time were Germans. Among the characteristics of the place was its unrivalled manufacture of superior stockings---all done by hand weaving, as originally brought into use by the first settlers; these have been in modern times driven out of use. The place was also, since the revolution, pre-eminent for its superior build of coaches and vehicles; but, in late years, the workmen of Newark have drawn off the business by their reduced prices. It may justly surprise the present generation to have a little insight into the state of farming before the revolution, and before the introduction of CLOVER AND PLASTER OF PARIS. These were the things which enriched the cultivators, and beautified our fields. It was first started about the year 1780, at Chestnut hill, by Abraham Rex, and at Germantown, by Leonard Stoneburner. It became a wonder to see men making grass, and hauling it in from UPLAND fields. Every body was delighted to see the effect of this new era in farming. The aged now can well remember the stirring interest which was every where excited by this important improvement. Before this time, a farmer at Germantown would consider one hundred acres of land as inadequate to provide his frugal living THEN, unless he had also a good portion of NATURAL meadow to supply his stock. It soon came to be experienced that fifty acres of land, well tilled, produced enough to fill a barn of double the size before used ! The horses and cattle soon found a joyous change to their benefit, and well they SHOWED the difference of their feeding. We tell these things for the sake of the GRATITUDE and ACKNOWLEDGMENT which such benefits, conferred on us, deserve. I ought to take this suitable occasion to expain why it formerly was, that GREAT COUNTRY STORES could be so well sustained at Germantown and Frankford, and out on Lancaster road. It arose from the extreme badness of all great roads leading into the city, in particular seasons. To avoid such, farmers bringing produce could sell out their whole loads to Rex, and others, on Chestnut hill, or at Stoneburner's, Fry's, and Miller's in Germantown. In return they could get fish, salt, plaster of Paris, clover and grass seed; all kinds of grain, and received and cured hogs and beef. They all made money. You might see a dozen country wagons at a time about their premises. All this continued until the turnpikes insured safe passages into the city; and then the stores began fast to decline, and finally to give up, or to contract themselves into small affairs. The present aged Jacob Keyser was told by A. Cook, a primitive inhabitant, that he could well remember Germantown street as being an INDIAN FOOT-PATH, going through laurel bushes. COLONEL GRAY'S POWDERHORN --- In July, 1841, there was found in digging about two feet below the surface, in the lot of the New Lutheran church in Germantown, a very curiously wrought powder-horn of the Revolution, used and lost in the battle of Germantown, by Elijah Lincoln, a volunteer of Windham, Connecticut. This, when found, showed the way to its ownership, and the facts connnected therewith, --- by being published as a curious relic, in the Germantown Telegraph. It was a large white bullock-horn, and had engraved thereon, besides the name of the owner--E. Gray-- several pictures and devices: such as a sketch of Boston and its environs, Bunker's hill, Dorchester, and encampments of the military, the British fleet and positions. The facts in the case were these: ---Ebenezer Gray, and William Hovey---the inscribed maker of the horn, with Elijah Lincoln, were young volunteers of Windham, going to begin the war at Bunker hill. While encamped near there under Washington, the horn was engraved by Gray. At this time, we are to presume that regular cartouch boxes were not supplied. Upon the regular organization of the army, Gray, who was an educated man, received a commission, which he honoured by his after services and bravery, rose to the rank of colonel. When promoted, he gave his horn to Lincoln, under his promise to use it faithfully for his country. That he did in many battles; till at last it was lost in the affair at Germantown, by being pulled from his side by the grasp of a dying comrade, shot by his side, in the very act of drawing a load from it, for his musket ! The company, with Lincoln, rushed forward without the horn, and soon after he found another well filled for his purpose. When the present horn was found and published, it came out, from the publisher of the Demodcrat, of Columbia county, Pennsylvania, that HE had been formally engaged in making out a pension claim for Lincoln, and had all these facts, before told, in his possession ! Colonel Gray is deceased, but his widow and daughter and son are alive at Windham, and have been informed of their opportunity to repossess this long lost relic of a patriot's service and glory.* It is something to be valued and perpetuated in a family ! *His grandson has since got the horn. I have seen an old family Bible, 8vo.., of the SHOEMAKER family, which came out with the first settlers in 1682, printed at Zurich in 1538, by Christoffel Froschouer, in Switzer-German, done so early as to be WITHOUT VERSES. In many pages, verses are marked with a pen, and many passages are underscored to add to their force. It was marked as being bought for 50s. at second hand in 1678. In it was a record of family marriages, births, and deaths. Isaac Schumacher, the head of the family, was born in Cresheim in Germany, married in Pennsylvania Sarah Hendricks, who was born in the same town, the 2d of 10mo., 1678. She died a widow the 15th June, 1742, her husband having died the 12th February, 1732. Benjamin, a son of the above, was born in Germantown, the 2d August, 1704, married in Philadelphia, the 18th June, 1724, to Sarah Coates, daughter of Thomas and Bulah Coates. Benjamin died at Philadelphia in 1767; the wife died the 8th June 1738, leaving four children. I have indulged in this lengthened detail, because this venerable old relic has got out of the family, by some means, and fallen into the hands of strangers; and thus shows, how strangely families will sometimes allow their records to sink into oblivion ! It is since given by me to Samuel M. Shoemaker, in Baltimore. To be continued... Note: Words in capital letters are italics in the book.

Dear group: I know some of you will wish I wouldn't bring this up again, but I can't resist. Early Saturday morning I suddenly realized I had to bring something for a potluck picnic at lunchtime today. Ordinarily this kind of thing sends me into a several-days panic, because I am virtually a non-cook, and I always think, they don't really need one more bowl of pasta salad from me, some of them are good at that sort of thing, what can I do? But this time, thanks to this group, I had an inspiration. I have been to quite a few of these things down heah in Durm Nawth Ca'lina, and I have never seen the pickled beets and eggs offered. So, I made some, and they were a big success. I made a dozen and I suppose there were 40 adults there, and they disappeared before everyone had gone through the line, even though there was also a platter of the more-familar deviled eggs. A lot of these people are not actually Southerners but transplanted Yankees like me. One older lady was heard to say "I haven't had those for a thousand years." This is an exaggeration, but she is about 80, and she said her grandmother was from Pennsylvania and she made them, which can't have been very recently. In the process I arrived at a quick-and-dirty, non-cooking recipe: 1 dozen eggs 2 16 oz jars DelMonte or Stokeley's sliced pickled beets (I bought both brands because I didn't know. It will gladden all your PD hearts to know that I thought the Stokeley's, which are cheaper, had a slightly stronger flavor of nostalgia, but the difference is not great.) Hard boil and peel the eggs. Put them, still warm, in a 1 1/2 quart casserole. Dump on the two jars of beets, with juice (especially juice!). Cover and refrigerate 24 hours, stopping by several times in the early going to stir and tumble them about so they will be evenly empurpled (I don't know why people insist on calling this color red; it is actually magenta). Drain before serving. That is all, and while I'm sure you can complicate it with onion rings or whatever, the point here is simplicity. The result might not impress all you connoiseurs from Pennsylvania, but that's not who it was for, and I thought it was quite passable. So thank you all for the idea; I suppose I shall now become the great pickled-egg revival lady for North Carolina. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ

Im searching for Elizabeth Huffer, daughter of Jacob Huffer. She married Samuel NEWCOMER, son of Henry and Barbara Garver Newcomer. Their daughter, Mary Newcomer, married Michael SWINGLEY. Thank u Jason