In June of 1993 we had a reunion w/ our son (a career Army 1st Sargent) & his wife( also a career Sargent 1st class, Michael our Grandson from Dublin, CA. & Liz's parents who live in Michigan. It is a wonderful place to do Genealogy, we did Liz (daughter-in-law) all of it at the Court Houses and Libraries. They have the Births, Marriages, Deaths in one place, in the C. H. but anyway on the way home, it was very hot and I had a 3rd great Uncle Henry Moll who lived in Ballville, Sandusky County, well it was terrible hot & I couldn't get any where w/ the Will's person, I guess it was the heat, so we dove around & took pictures & looked at cemeteries w/ no avail. We went thru President Taft's place to cool off & relax. As usual I bought post cards, & I always buy covered bridges. Well we were about 100 miles East on Interstate 80 when the Van became troublesome, we could drive it but it needed some part, my husband found a part place & he found a K-Mart, bought some Metric tools & put the new part in at the K-Mart parking Lot, well while he was doing this I was looking at the 1850 census book I bought of Sandusky county & the Post Cards, would you believe the Covered Bridge I bought was the Moll Bridge, built by my 3rd Great Uncle. Well I guess you know we went on a vacation 2 months later & took pictures & walked the Moll Bridge. It was a thrill. That was to be, me finding that bridge. Sylvia ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visit the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I have a copy of PA in 1780, they call it a census. It looks like this: Strasser, Conrad - Berk:WS (WS is the Township = Windsor) Berk is the County. Henry - Berk: AB =Albany Township. John - Berk: AB Nicholas - AB Thats all it tells, but at least you know where & if they were in PA. Sylvia Graybill Will do lookups if you don't want them yesterday.

Do the PaDutch do anything with persimmons? They are ripe here in the South and splattering all over our office parking lot. I have Ewell Gibbons' recipe for persimmon bread, which I like but my husband thinks is blah, perhaps because I put store-boughten pecans in it rather than the specified hickory nuts. (There are no hickory nuts in the lowland South, not that I would shell them if there were; the pecan is a close relative). I also have his Indiana grandmother's recipe for persimmon pudding, which he likes (nostalgic for him) but I don't - something about the texture I think. If anyone knows anything to do with them that is easy I would like to know it. I am pretty sure they grow in PA. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Susan, have you gotten hold of an MFH index. MFH is pub. by Masthof books. They are mast descendants and have done a large number of articles on both of these surnames. rod ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visit the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Here's my recipe: 8-10 medium red potatoes, cooked and cooled, then peeled and sliced 1/2 lb. diced bacon 1 onion, diced 1 T. flour 1/4 cup cider vinegar 1/4 cup tarragon vinegar 1/2 cup water 1-2 t. salt pepper to taste 1 1/2 T. sugar Fry bacon until crisp. Drain, reserving 1/4 cup bacon fat. Add bacon to sliced potatoes. Saute onion in fat until tender. Sprinkle with flour. Mix water, vinegar and seasonings. Add gradually to fat. Cook and stir over low heat until thickened. Pour over potato and bacon mixture, tossing lightly to blend all ingredients. Heat in 350 degree oven 1/2 hr. before serving. Potatoes will absorb all the other flavors if the dish is allowed to stand for awhile before heating. Great for those covered dish occasions because everything can be done ahead, then heated just before serving. Bonnie

I got interested in genealogy when I was about 13 and asked my Mother who my cousin's daddy was. I was told to "shut your mouth and never ask that again !! My Mom told me that she would take that secret to her grave. She did--- but I was determined to find out and I did- sitting right here at my computer. By the time I found out who the Daddy was , I had about 2000 other family names in 20 notebooks and I'm Hooked ! Don't ask who the daddy was--- my Mom wouldn't want me to tell <G> Mary Russell bird@scrtc.blue.net tomrussell@mindless.com Glasgow Kentucky Searching---Franks, Harkey. Bost, Barringer, Lipe, House, Russell ---------- > From: Janice A. Frank <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> > > Do others have stories of how they got involved in genealogy? > -- > jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> > > Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ >

Hi Everyone, The first recipe is what you will find in our area. This is a had me down recipe. The second is a German recipe. Close to my mother-in-laws. Pa. German Potato Salad 1/2 lb. bacon 1/2 c. chopped onion 2 T. all-purpose flour 1/4 c. sugar 1-1/2 t. salt Dash of pepper 1/2 c. vinegar 6 c. diced cooked potatoes 3 hard-cooked eggs, sliced Fry bacon until crisp. Drain, reserving 1/4 cup drippings. Cook onion in reserved drippings until tender. Blend in flour, sugar, salt and pepper. Add vinegar and 1 cup water. Cook, stirring until thick and bubbly. Add potatoes, bacon and eggs. Heat thoroughly, tossing lightly. German Potato Salad 8 medium size, firm potatoes 1 onion, finely chopped vinegar of wine salt sunflower or safflower oil white, ground pepper some warm bouillon Boil potatoes in their skin, peel and allow to cool a little. Slice and add onion. Add vinegar, salt, oil, pepper and hot bouillon. Mix well. The salad ought to be quite moist. You can serve warm or cold This is from Germany a culinary tour. It is really close to my mother-in-laws recipe. She adds bacon to her's. Candy Pennsburg, Montgomery Co., Pa. Researching Surnames: Baer/Bahr, Brey, Dornblaser, Fretz, Hillegass, Hinterleiter, Kline, Kuhn, Peter, Reinert, Royer, Schantz, Schlicher, Shaner, Stahl, Walbert, Wasser

Good Morning: There has been a book published on State Tax lists that you might find in your local library. I don't have a copy but have seen it from time to time. Check with your local librarian and if they are on line they can find where the nearest one is located. That goes for any other reference book too. YOU LIBRARIAN is your BEST FRIEND Folks.... At least they have been mine for the past 50 years.... Just my good deed for the day, Lorena >Hi! > >I remember seeing something about a 1783 Pennsylvania Census. Was there >one? Is it available through the LDS Family History Centers like the >Federal Census? Was there a 1793 Census? Do these state censuses give >any better info than the Federal Censuses of 1790 and 1800? > >Thank you! > >Brenda Hébert >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/e/b/Brenda-M-Hebert Hi! I know there are YAX lists for years before the 1790 Federal Census, but I am not familiar with any PA Stte Census (if there are, please let us all know!!) The tax lists available are for all counties in existance by township. They will tell you the taxable's name, acreage, possibly # cows, horses, sheep, slaves & tax amount. Different counties have different years which have been "saved". They can be found in the PUBLISHED Pennsylvania Archives Series 3. These are avaiable on microfilm from the FHC's (if you're not in PA you will probably have to order them.) This Series also includes land patent lists & some military records. The indexes for that series are in vols 18-30. They also have some *really neat* early PA maps in the Appendix for Series 3!!! Hope this helps! -Linnea Linnea Travis Miller - Annville PA ltmiller@postoffice.ptd.net <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9263>

Hi Everyone, This recipe is from my mother-in-law, she lives in Germany. Also I added a quickie that I use when I don't have time. Red Cabbage 6 thick slices bacon, diced 1 yellow onion, peeled and sliced 2 heads red cabbage, about 3 lbs. total 3 apples, cored and thinly sliced (do not peel) 1 c. chicken broth 4 T. red wine 4 T. distilled white vinegar 4 T. brown sugar 1 t. salt 1/4 t. ground black pepper In an 8-quart stove-top covered casserole sauté the bacon until clear. Add the onion and the sliced cabbage to the pot, along with the apples. Sauté, uncovered, until the cabbage begins to collapse a bit. Add the remaining ingredients and cover. Cook over medium heat, stirring now and then, until all is tender, about 1 hour. Quick Red Cabbage 2 jars Blue Boy Red Cabbage 4 slices bacon 1 bay leaf 1 apple, cored and thinly sliced Fry bacon in med. saucepan, until crisp. Add red cabbage, bay leaf and sliced apple. Cook until apples are tender. Also if you like it more sour add vinegar to taste. This is pretty close to the above in taste. Candy Pennsburg, Montgomery Co., Pa. Researching Surnames: Baer/Bahr, Brey, Dornblaser, Fretz, Hillegass, Hinterleiter, Kline, Kuhn, Peter, Reinert, Royer, Schantz, Schlicher, Shaner, Stahl, Walbert, Wasser

Would appreciate a good recipe for red sweet sour cabbage and the sweet sour German Potato salad... Some folks like to eat the potato salad cold, but the recipe I had many years ago was served warm, had bacon pcs in it.. and was delicious.. have lost it.. Also, soon will visit the PA Dutch country in PA.... Can anyone recommend sites to see in Berks Co and surrounding counties... ? Thanks... Would appreciate it... EllieSS@aol.com ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Johannes was born about 1702 and purportedly married an Indian maiden in about 1723 in Germantown, Pennsylvania. Does anyone have any information on this??? Don Hartman

>Hi! > >I remember seeing something about a 1783 Pennsylvania Census. Was there >one? Is it available through the LDS Family History Centers like the >Federal Census? Was there a 1793 Census? Do these state censuses give >any better info than the Federal Censuses of 1790 and 1800? > >Thank you! > >Brenda Hébert >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/e/b/Brenda-M-Hebert Hi! I know there are YAX lists for years before the 1790 Federal Census, but I am not familiar with any PA Stte Census (if there are, please let us all know!!) The tax lists available are for all counties in existance by township. They will tell you the taxable's name, acreage, possibly # cows, horses, sheep, slaves & tax amount. Different counties have different years which have been "saved". They can be found in the PUBLISHED Pennsylvania Archives Series 3. These are avaiable on microfilm from the FHC's (if you're not in PA you will probably have to order them.) This Series also includes land patent lists & some military records. The indexes for that series are in vols 18-30. They also have some *really neat* early PA maps in the Appendix for Series 3!!! Hope this helps! -Linnea Linnea Travis Miller - Annville PA ltmiller@postoffice.ptd.net <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9263>

I'm a bit embarrassed to share the following with you but I guess I feel that it has special "historic" value. You see, before I put away the "Uncle Will" composition that I wrote for an English assignment in 1947, I read through the rest of what I wrote for the assignment which had to do with our everyday lives. I guess one of the subjects to write about was what I/we thought of ourselves as teenagers at age 15. As I read over what I wrote, I could hear the anger in my voice. But at the same time, I realized that it was the "anger" that teenagers have felt from the beginning of time! Hmmm, I wonder what a 15-year-old girl would write today if given the same assignment that I was given 50 years ago!! MY OPINION OF TEENAGERS When the subject of teenagers is presented to a group of adults, the general impression thought of us is that we are a group of sloppy-Joe and plaid-shirt clad juvenile delinquents. As for myself, I admit that I wear anklets and enjoy Vaughn Monroe’s singing. I’m in my teens, so I’m described as a swooning bobby-soxer even though I’m a far cry from the silly and almost non-existent girl that the name suggests. During the war, a serious change took place in American homes. Fathers and brothers went to war and mothers went to work in factories and industries. Children were left to go their own way. Most of us weathered the storm but some did not and, therefore, got on the wrong track. But to hear some people talk, you’d think we are all actual or on our way to being juvenile delinquents. As for the way we dress, I have to admit that there was a time when we did dress pretty sloppily but when we made our minds up to dress up, we really looked pretty “sharp!” At the present time, any girl that doesn’t care much about her appearance isn’t thought a great deal of. Instead of sloppy-Joe sweaters, we enjoy wearing shorter and neater sweaters; instead of bobby-socks, neat close fitting anklets are in style. Even the fact that we like to hear certain singers display their talents must show that we appreciate music. After all, it’s a known fact that the screaming Frank Sinatra fans was just a publicity stunt. Why, it’s surprising to see the number of high school students that attend music concerts and lectures. Another thing that’s said against teenagers is that we “hang out” in certain places and get in trouble. That goes for a few of us, but you’ll find that most of Niagara Falls students go to the “Rec” or to the “Swing-In Club” for amusement where they enjoy themselves dancing, playing ping pong and having clean fun. After they close at night, most of us go to a soda bar for a milkshake and a hamburger and then straight home. Is there anything wrong with that? Not to my knowledge, there is. I suggest that anyone after reading what I have just written still feels that we, as a whole, are a group of irresponsible juvenile delinquents try to be a little bit more broad minded and overlook our faults and realize that we really aren’t as bad as we appear to be. Vee Housman

I am searching for more info on Lydia Rowland. She married Jacob Schechter. They had a daughter Susannah or Susan born about 1818. Lydia was the daughter of John Rowland. Lydia had a sister, Mary Rowland who married Jacob Rice. Thanks! Sincerely, Jase

The following info is from "Covered Bridges Today" by Brenda Krekeler, copyright 1989: "Wooden bridges were covered with a roof and siding to protect them from the weather. Bridges left unprotected, deteriorated. The superstructure would last only a few years if exposed to the ravages of nature. The importance of the covering of the truss was recognized in 1805. The contract for the first covered bridge in the United States, built by Timothy Palmer over the Schuykill River in Philadelphia, required that it be covered to protect the wooden beams. Covered bridges have been discovered as far back as the 16th century in Europe." "At one time the United States had as many as 12,000 covered bridges. Today, an estimated 840 remain." Lois D

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Am trying to find more information on Elizabeth KAUFFMAN, b. Mar 28,1792 in Mifflin, Belleville, PA, mar Christian HARTZER Mar 28, 1815?, d.Mar 25, 1856. Her father was Christian KAUFFMAN. THANKS, Susan langel's@dmci.net

At 02:35 AM 9/28/97 +0000, Hazel wrote: >I was always under the impression that the reasons bridges were covered >was to keep them from icing over in the winter. You don't see covered >bridges in the south. >>>>>> I'm sorry, you are misinformed. There are many covered bridges in the south and there were many more. There are still nine within easy driving of Birmingham. > I think that there were two very good reasons for covering bridges. 1) To keep from scarring the hourses. A few years ago while walking across the "mile-high bridge" in Colorado I could not help but notice how many humans were very, very scarred and held on to others for dear life. Can you imagine what the heights might do to horses? 2) To preserve the timbers. While it took some wood to build the covering structure, that was nothing compared with the cost or work of building the bridge itself. > David Huffines ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visit the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I am looking for the person who was researching the Boone line on one of the PA lists in the past month or so. I deleted the messages, and now need to make a contact. Chuck Bollinger

-- [ From: John Getz * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I need to compare dates and spouses on Christian Walborn, Jr. with a Walborn researcher. John -- John L. Getz, M.D. 266 Egret Lane Vero Beach, FL 32963-2623 561-234-5364 Searching: GETZ, BARBEHENN, FAHS, HOFF, LANIUS, KNAUSS BORTNER, CORNMAN, BUSER, WALBORN, BATDORF, UPDEGRAFF, REISINGER, WENTZ, ILGENFRITZ, GROFF/GROVE STRAUSBAUGH, GANTZ, STRICKHAUSER, KOPPENHAFER, CONRAD, + 27,000 surnames in database mostly starting in Germany or York Co. PA. http://www.nmt.net/gen/biographies/john_getz.html http://www.nmt.net/gen/pictures/JGetz/index.html http://www.nmt.net/gen/Ahnetafel/Getz-ahnetafel.html ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visit the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html