Hi - this may not be the strictly orthodox way to do this but I am copying it to the PaDutch group, where it seems to me to belong. If you don't know about this group (it's a mailing list and a great one) you may want to visit its website at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html PaDutch people: I stole this off the soc.genealogy.german newsgroup, thought you would like it. froebel@albany.net wrote: > > I came across this list in a school book about "Pennsylvania Dutch > (Deutsch)" that is Germans in Pennsylvania. They are notable in USA > history. Enjoy! > (Most go back to the Palatinate-Pfalz) > > General Muhlenberg > General Pershing (Persching) > Herbert Hoover (Huber) > Lowell Thomas > John Wanamaker > Molly Pitcher > Barbara Frietschie > Amelia Earhart (Erhard) > Jane Addams > Sincerely, > Johannes Froebel-Parker > The Froebel Gallery > http://www.albany.net/~froebel/ -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ

Can anyone tell me where the subject Church and County are located. There is apparently some information on my Rumfield line in the records of this church. What area of the state is this in? Does anyone have access to the records from this church? I would appreciate any information. Thank you, Dick Sommer <rosommer@primenet.com>

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Hello everyone, I am originally from Reading, PA. and now live near Charlotte, NC. Over the weekend, I went with my son to an indoor Flea market and the first thing I picked up when I walked in the building, was a tiny red book from 1862, and when I opened the first page, I saw the name of Maggie Hannahoe - 929 Cotton St. Reading. Some of the pages were adorned with a young person's pencil doodles and the name of Mary HANNAHOE, I figure it was probably Maggie's daughter practicing her handwriting. I am not related to the Hannahoe's, but I couldn't resist such a treasure for 6 bucks. My ancestors lived in that area for many generations and I remembered a story of an Irishman, Tom Hannahoe, a colorful figure in our East Reading History. If I remember correctly, Tom made a pact with an Irish friend that whoever died after the other, the survivor would play an Irish tune over the other's grave every year on St. Patty's Day until his death and Tom kept his promise! I'm sure there are subscribers who are more familiar with the total story than I am. If there is anyone researching Hannahoe and would like the little book, I will give it up, because I have been hoping to find some things like this of my ancestors. As a child visiting my grandmother, I remember many old pictures hanging on the walls, old bibles and many things apparently from her parents. When she died and a daughter who lived with her died, her daughter's husband sold or gave away all those things and didn't consult anyone else in the family . Now, everytime I sit in a Crackerbarrel restaurant, drinking my coffee, I wonder if any of those antique pictures on the walls are my ancestors. So if anyone sees any bibles or papers with any of my surnames, please contact me, I'm not rich, but I will find a way to buy them. Thanks, Jean Researching: BORRELL, CUTLER, DERR, ENGLEBACH, EARNEY, FLICKINGER, FOREMAN, FREITAG, GEHRET, GRING, HABERACKER, HILL, HOFFMANN, JENNINGS, KEPPLE, KUNZMANN, LORAH, NEUMANN, QUAINTANCE, SCHILDT, SEIDERS, SHIELDS, URIG, WEINHOLD, WENTZEL, WUNDER, ZWEITZIG ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

In response to a lament about Corel's Family Tree genealogy software program, I thought I'd share a portion of the latest Eastman newsletter. Lorraine Frantz Edwards ================================================== Dick Eastman wrote: > > Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter > > A Weekly Summary of Events and > Topics of Interest to Online Genealogists > > Vol. 2 No. 39 - September 27, 1997 > > This newsletter is sponsored by Ancestry Publishing, > a leader in providing print and electronic > research information to genealogists. > > To learn about Ancestry's > state-of-the-art online genealogy databases > and other fine products, > visit the Ancestry HomeTown at: > http://www.ancestry.com > > Past issues of this Newsletter > are available at: > http://www.ancestry.com/home/times.htm > > ========================================================== > > Copyright (C) by 1997 Richard Eastman and Ancestry, Inc. All > rights reserved. > ----- snip ----> > > IN THIS ISSUE: > > - Corel's Family Tree Suite Sold > - Travels With Libretto > - More on PERSI CD-ROM > - The Internet For Genealogists: A Beginner's Guide > - Family History (Radio) Show > - Alexa > - Home Pages Highlighted > > ================================================================ > > - Corel's Family Tree Suite Sold > > Three weeks ago, employees of Corel Corporation were at the annual > conference of the Federation of Genealogical Societies displaying > the beta test version of Corel Family Tree Suite 2.0. Now the > program has been sold to another company, along with other > programs produced by Corel. > > International Microcomputer Software Inc. of San Rafael, > California, a leading developer of computer aided design, graphics > and productivity software for business and home markets, this week > announced the signing of an agreement with Corel Corporation. IMSI > will acquire rights to products in the CAD, diagramming, and > consumer categories, in exchange for which Corel Corporation will > receive shares of IMSI common stock and cash to the value of $5.6 > million, in addition to further royalties and development > payments. The transaction is expected to close by Sept. 30, 1997, > and will be accounted for as a purchase. Under a separate > arrangement, IMSI plans to hire approximately 20 Corel employees > and will establish a development center in Ottawa, Canada. > > The programs that IMSI acquired from Corel include Corel Family > Tree Suite, Corel Family Publisher, CorelCAD Modeler, CorelCAD > Technical, CorelFLOW, Corel Click & Create, Corel Lumiere and > Corel Personal Architect.Under the terms of the agreement, Corel > has licensed to IMSI the right to offer Corel Photo House within > IMSI's newly-acquired Family Tree Suite package. Family Tree > Suite 2.0 is a significant upgrade and will be released in time > for the holiday selling season. > > IMSI produces a number of graphics and computer aided design > programs. Probably the best-known IMSO product is Hijaak, a > graphics file conversion and image manipulation program. Over 70% > of IMSI's revenues are derived from computer-aided design and > graphics products. > > "This transaction with IMSI allows Corel to sharpen its focus on > the core strategic products relating to our concentration on the > corporate marketplace. We are very pleased that IMSI will be able > to continue the development of these excellent products and look > forward to the benefits we will obtain as an IMSI shareholder," > said Dr. Michael Cowpland, President and Chief Executive Officer > of Corel Corporation. "With IMSI's creation of a new subsidiary > office in Ottawa, we are confident that they will be able to > further advance these products while allowing us to better focus > our efforts on corporate applications and breakthrough > technologies." > > The immediate effects upon other producers of genealogy software > are not known. Corel apparently has sold many thousands of copies > of Family Tree Suite in the few months it has been in the > marketplace. IMSI also has a lot of marketing power along with > well-established retail capabilities. IMSI certainly has the > capability to promote the program well and possibly to sell even > more copies than Corel did. > > ================================================================

Issac GRIFFITH b. 1819/20 m. Elizabeth b. abt 1815. Elizabeth who? Are you of or researching Brecknock twp, Berks county or possibly Caernarvon or Brecknock twp of Lancaster County? Although the surname is Welsh the Griffith family was in the area very, very early and a John GRIFFITH may have immigrated prior to 1700 and his name appears in Bio. Annals of Lanc. county etc. Issac's mother was raised mennonite-Elizabeth GOOD b. abt 1799(m. Evan GRIFFITH) and they may have been dutchified early on. The family also belonged to Allegheny Reformed near Alleghenyville, Brecknock twp, Berks County. Issac's descendants and kin lived near Troxell's hill in Brecknock twp, Berks County and they or kin lived also in the vicinity of Turkey Hill in Caernarvon twp, Lanc. Co. The GRIFFITH family inhabited the area prior to the striking of the current Lancaster/Berks county line, so their roots straddle the line in this region. I'm interested in ANY GRIFFITH person from this area, if you have any in your database. thanks for any help. rod ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

What a letdown. I just received it after weeks of backorder(customer service was not good). For the last 2 years I have used "Cumberland Family Tree". This was/is a free shareware download from America Online. The catch is it has a 45 day "free" lifetime. I really liked it and did buy and register a copy. (abt$59) No CD's etc. came with it. After using Corel's product there is no comparison. Cumberland Family Tree is better. Corel has many webpage creation features and "do-dads" but the cumberland program has better features and screens to actually view, manipulate, and print varietal reports on the most important thing, the data. If it is still available in the AOL software library, the free download and 45 day free trial is well worth the look. rod

Do you know what? I just came face to face with the marvelous capabilities of the Internet and email! No, it has nothing to do with surfing the net, it has to do with actually communicating with my family! You see, almost a year ago when my brother's son, John Housman, Jr., was visiting here from Houston, Texas, we exchanged email addresses and since then we have corresponded rather infrequently via email. And at one point I suggested that he and DeeAnn subscribe to the PD list just in case they might enjoy the sort of research that is going on regarding the family's history. And, frankly, I had forgotten that they had actually subscribed to the list. Well, this evening I received an email from nephew John in reply to my "Uncle Will" posting, he gave me an update as to their young family's goings-on, and it was obvious that they have been enjoying my stories, including what I wrote about Uncle Will. Now, here's the thing of it. Without the Internet and email, there is little doubt but what that the only contact I would have with my nephew's family is an occasional Christmas card and that they and I wouldn't have the foggiest notion about each others' lives. And now I know a bit more about them and they CERTAINLY know a bit more about Aunt Vee! Heavens to Betsy, I had forgotten that the "children" were lurking on the PD list! (giggle, giggle!) No, I won't watch what I say in the future ("Little Pichers have Big Ears" sort of thing!), I'll just be content to think that I have more than cousins on the list. And that my nephew and niece are actually getting to know me and getting to know what being Pennsylvania Dutch is all about. And, in the meantime, they're hearing things about our Eshelman, Kendig, Stauffer, Shenk, Bender, Hollinger, Baer, etc., etc., families and a bit of their Mennonite family origins. Ain't that what we're all about?? vee ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

James, can you confirm HG (above)'s mother to be Susan Kendig, b aft 1758 & d/o Henry Kendig (KA3431.1 to J E Best). Susan Kendig's brother Daniel is my 4thGGF and I show three other daus. Courtesy of P S Frappier, I have the Kendig line if you need them, as well as desc. of Daniel's dau Catharine, m 1818 at Cororus, York, Henry Shenk of CumbCoPa. Do you have more on Susanna Myers's siblings and ancestors? Attaching short .ged as a test of net-linkage. Jack Clopper 0 HEAD 1 SOUR PAF 2 VERS 3.0 2 NAME Personal Ancestral File (R) 1 DEST PAF 1 DATE 29 Sep 1997 2 TIME 03:48:23 1 SUBM @U1@ 1 SUBN @N1@ 1 GEDC 2 VERS 5.5 2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED 1 CHAR ANSEL 0 @U1@ SUBM 1 NAME Jack Spencer Clopper 1 ADDR 420 South Fairfax St. 2 CONT Alexandria, VA 22314 1 PHON 703-548-4111 0 @N1@ SUBN 1 ORDI no 0 @I6@ INDI 1 NAME Anna Herr /GROFF/ 2 GIVN Anna Herr 2 SURN GROFF 1 TITL O4 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE Dec 1735 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 DATE 10 Jun 1811 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 BURI 1 REFN GR3111.13 1 CHAN 2 DATE 08 Sep 1997 3 TIME 04:30:09 1 NOTE @T10@ 1 FAMS @F5@ 0 @I9@ INDI 1 NAME Henry /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Henry 2 SURN KENDIG 1 TITL KA3431.1 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 14 Aug 1735 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 DATE 21 Apr 1787 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 BURI 1 REFN KA3431.1 1 CHAN 2 DATE 29 Sep 1997 3 TIME 03:16:32 1 NOTE @T13@ 1 FAMS @F5@ 1 FAMC @F74@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I10@ INDI 1 NAME Daniel /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Daniel 2 SURN KENDIG 1 TITL KA3431.16 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 19 Jul 1760 2 PLAC ,Lampeter,Lancaster,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 DATE 25 Nov 1809 2 PLAC ,Windsor twp,York,PA 1 BURI 2 DATE 1809 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 REFN KA3431.16 1 CHAN 2 DATE 25 Sep 1997 3 TIME 23:20:45 1 NOTE @T15@ 1 FAMC @F5@ 2 PEDI birth 1 FAMS @F6@ 0 @I11@ INDI 1 NAME Catharine /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Catharine 2 SURN KENDIG 1 TITL KA3431.167 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 30 Jun 1799 2 PLAC ,Codorus,York,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 DATE 4 Feb 1845 2 PLAC Mooredale,Dickinson,Cumberland,PA 1 BURI 2 DATE 4 Feb 1845 2 PLAC Huntsdale,Penn,Cumberland,PA 1 REFN KA3431.167 1 NOTE @T25@ 1 FAMC @F6@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I13@ INDI 1 NAME Anna /FORRER/ 2 GIVN Anna 2 SURN FORRER 1 TITL ML2361.142 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 21 Jun 1763 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 DATE 30 Jan 1852 2 PLAC nr Montgomery,County line,Green,OH 1 BURI 2 PLAC Bath Cem,Green,OH 1 REFN ML2361.142 1 NOTE @T31@ 1 FAMS @F6@ 0 @I206@ INDI 1 NAME Henry /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Henry 2 SURN KENDIG 1 TITL KA3431 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE Abt 1700 2 PLAC ,SWZ 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1736 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 BURI 1 REFN KA3431 1 NOTE @T295@ 1 FAMS @F74@ 0 @I456@ INDI 1 NAME Elizabeth /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Elizabeth 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE Abt 1785 2 PLAC ,York,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 PLAC ,York,PA 1 BURI 1 NOTE @T545@ 1 FAMC @F6@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I457@ INDI 1 NAME Henry /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Henry 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE Abt 1787 2 PLAC ,YorkCo,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 PLAC ,Montgomery,OH 1 BURI 1 NOTE @T546@ 1 FAMC @F6@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I458@ INDI 1 NAME Maria /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Maria 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 21 Aug 1788 2 PLAC ,York,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1843 2 PLAC ,GreenCo,OH 1 BURI 1 NOTE @T547@ 1 FAMC @F6@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I459@ INDI 1 NAME Martin /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Martin 2 SURN KENDIG 1 TITL nfr 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 18 Feb 1791 2 PLAC ,Lanc,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 1 BURI 1 NOTE @T548@ 1 FAMC @F6@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I460@ INDI 1 NAME John /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN John 2 SURN KENDIG 1 TITL psf 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 25 Jul 1793 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 DATE 29 Apr 1878 2 PLAC ,Lanc,PA 1 BURI 1 NOTE @T549@ 1 FAMC @F6@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I461@ INDI 1 NAME Ann Nancy /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Ann Nancy 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1795 2 PLAC ,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1865 2 PLAC ,GreenCo,OH 1 BURI 1 NOTE @T550@ 1 FAMC @F6@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I462@ INDI 1 NAME Daniel /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Daniel 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1803 2 PLAC ,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 PLAC ,GreenCo,OH 1 BURI 1 FAMC @F6@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I682@ INDI 1 NAME Nancy /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Nancy 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE Aft 1766 2 PLAC ,Lanc,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 1 BURI 1 NOTE @T852@ 1 FAMC @F5@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I2064@ INDI 1 NAME Barbara /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Barbara 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE Bef 1775 2 PLAC ,Lanc,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 1 BURI 1 NOTE @T1438@ 1 FAMC @F5@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I2226@ INDI 1 NAME Elizabeth /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Elizabeth 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE Aft 1772 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 1 BURI 1 CHAN 2 DATE 29 Sep 1997 3 TIME 03:40:46 1 FAMC @F5@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I2233@ INDI 1 NAME Susan /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Susan 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE Aft 1758 2 PLAC ,Lancaster,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 1 BURI 1 CHAN 2 DATE 29 Sep 1997 3 TIME 03:15:23 1 FAMC @F5@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I2311@ INDI 1 NAME Catherine Kittie /KENDIG/ 2 GIVN Catherine Kittie 2 SURN KENDIG 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE Abt 1765 2 PLAC ,Lanc,PA 1 CHR 1 DEAT 2 PLAC ,Lanc,PA 1 BURI 1 FAMC @F5@ 2 PEDI birth 0 @I4197@ INDI 1 NAME Katherine /-/ 2 GIVN Katherine 2 SURN - 1 TITL nfr 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE Bef 1718 1 CHR 1 DEAT 1 BURI 1 NOTE @T2514@ 1 FAMS @F74@ 0 @F5@ FAM 1 MARR 2 DATE 5 Aug 1755 2 PLAC Conestoga,Manor,Lanc,PA 1 HUSB @I9@ 1 WIFE @I6@ 1 CHIL @I2233@ 1 CHIL @I10@ 1 CHIL @I2311@ 1 CHIL @I682@ 1 CHIL @I2226@ 1 CHIL @I2064@ 0 @F6@ FAM 1 MARR 2 DATE 1 Oct 1782 2 PLAC ,LancCo 1 HUSB @I10@ 1 WIFE @I13@ 1 CHIL @I456@ 1 CHIL @I457@ 1 CHIL @I458@ 1 CHIL @I459@ 1 CHIL @I460@ 1 CHIL @I461@ 1 CHIL @I11@ 1 CHIL @I462@ 0 @F74@ FAM 1 MARR 2 DATE Bef 1735 2 PLAC ,Lanc,PA 1 HUSB @I206@ 1 WIFE @I4197@ 1 CHIL @I9@ 0 @T10@ NOTE this needs to be updarted 10. 93 shd be "E" not "O" and GR #'s ad 1 CONC ded 1 CONT see FGS Groff & KA. AS OF PMH JAN'92 -BEST- Kundig o/l Best is usin 1 CONC g O4 & 1 CONT GR3111.1. jsc 12'95 1 CONT 0 @T13@ NOTE !SOURCE: PS Frappier: Danl K was the only son. His sisters were; 1 CONT Susan m. John Groff; 1 CONT Elizabeth m Martin Eshleman; desc to Hermitage, VA 1 CONT Nancy m. John Forrer 1 CONT Barbara Groff 1 CONT Kittie m. Martin Forrer 1 CONT "All of the above lived and died in LancCoPa; except desc of Eliz; mo 1 CONC st desc 1 CONT went to WayneCoOh. Also listed in Best's PMH Jan'93 Kundig o/l. jsc' 1 CONC 95 1 CONT 0 @T15@ NOTE !SOURCE: PS Frappier:only son of 1/6 chdn; all data fm PSF; This is an 1 CONT important junction for our lines as it is where Groff / Graf meets Ki 1 CONC ndig. As of Mar. '95 we still need further proof that our Catharin 1 CONC e Kindig is from this family, even theogh Pat Frappier says that if t 1 CONC his CK is not from Daniel she is certainly from Jorge further up th 1 CONC e line. His five sisters 1 CONT are: (ltr of 4 May 1993 to JSC) Susan m. John GROFF Elizabeth m. Mart 1 CONC in ESHLEMAN 1 CONT Nancy m.John FORRER 1 CONT Barbara m.Benjamin GROFF 1 CONT Kittie m.Martin FORRER 1 CONT I think he was the #6 child of 6. Therefore his Kindig # is KA3431.1 1 CONC 6 and his Groff # is GR3111.116. Note (if you haven.t already figure 1 CONC d it out) the 1 CONT decimil point "." separates born elsewhere Vs born USA. The other num 1 CONC bers are 1 CONT assigned in the order of birth within each family. Jason's Shenk # is 1 CONT 115.411342121 & Nicole's is 115.411342122. Pls also note that thes 1 CONC e are the 1 CONT numbers used by R W Davis and he started the series with the Immigrant 1 CONT Chrisitian Schenk. 1 CONT !NOTES: This person also leads to the Hans Herr House in Lancaster 1 CONC . It is one of the oldest Mennonite houses in the country and typica 1 CONC l of the time and place It was actually built in 1719 by Christian He 1 CONC rr, son of Hans Herr and one of your gggggf's. It is several miles S 1 CONC o. Of Lancaster city, well known and open for tours. PMH has a detai 1 CONC led article in the Jan'94 issue. 1 CONT 1 CONT !PSFRAPPIER: 22 Dec'95 ltr to J Clopper: He died 1809, his wife appea 1 CONC rs in 1 CONT MontCoOh in the 1850 census. WHERE WAS SHE BTW 1809 AND 1850. She di 1 CONC d marry 1 CONT Tom Kreider(b. 1749, d 12 May 1838) but when did they marry and whe 1 CONC n did 1 CONT they/she move to Ohio is not known, nor where Tom Kreider died. He i 1 CONC s NOT 1 CONT listed in (the copies that she has) York index to Inventories or HE 1 CONC R Index to 1 CONT Lancaster wills & Intestates. 1 CONT 1 CONT PSF 22 Dec'95 also states YorkCounty Book C.C.p215('belived to be Bon 1 CONC d Book 1 CONT states"):Anna Kendig, widow of Daniel Kindig deceased plus Martin Fur 1 CONC ry of 1 CONT Chanceford twp, James McCoy of Windsor twp & George Lotman of the bor 1 CONC o of York posted a $1000 bond on 25 Nov 1809. They were supposed t 1 CONC o report an inventory of Danl's estate by 25 Dec 1809. BUT YCCH inde 1 CONC x does not include one." 1 CONT 1 CONT !PSF: Ltr to JC dtd 10 Jan'96. "DK bopught land from Henry Gramm o 1 CONC n 9 May 1800" She is sending tract map. 1 CONT 0 @T25@ NOTE !DOB: is from family bible held by Louise Potteiger, Carlisle, PA. s 1 CONC H IS ALSO 1 CONT LM2361.1427. 1 CONT !SEARCH:1.93: fm Hist of Cumb Co p 519, Hamilton Lib Carlisle, Pa: 1 CONT "Danl Kendig,Newville, native of LancCo-where his f. & gf born. Hi 1 CONC s f. 1 CONT Tobias b.ca 1770 & d. this twn 1855. Tobias m. Mary BOWMAN of Lanc 1 CONC , 8 chdn. 1 CONT Hist of Cumb does not not list Cath as child, and if I remember corre 1 CONC ctly 1 CONT there is a child of the family that has a conflicting dob. 1 CONT 1 CONT Other ancestors shown for Catharine is dependent upon the research of 1 CONT P S Frappier. She has a fam bible showing Catharine b. 30 June 179 1 CONC 9 & says 1 CONT this is the only possible Catharine. Gravestone says 30 Jun 1799. 1 CONT 1 CONT !SOURCE: PRIMARY MATERIAL is from Pat Frappier of Kettering, Ohio 1 CONC . She is the 1 CONT most active 1 CONT KINDIG researcher. She says that if our Catharine's line is not exac 1 CONC tly as 1 CONT swown then she will have come from Jorg KA3 via some other path. Sh 1 CONC e also has a 1 CONT bible showing the same dob as ours. 1 CONT 0 @T31@ NOTE !PSF: marr # 2 Tom Crider, moved to Ohio ca 1810, various chdn show p 1 CONC ob 1 CONT in both Oh & PA. fm ltr to JSC fm Pat Frappier. 1850 Oh Census: livin 1 CONC g with 1 CONT son-in-law, John Boham in Wayne twp MontgomeryCoOh. 1 CONT 0 @T295@ NOTE !PSFRAPPIER: data fr her ltr to jsc 4 May 1993. inclds kids & sps. al 1 CONC so in 1 CONT best, pmh jan'92 kundig o/l. 1 CONT 0 @T545@ NOTE !LIVED:MARRIED:AND DIED IN YORK.psf. 1 CONT 0 @T546@ NOTE MARR: Magdalene KEESEY, 1784 in York; later to WayneCoOh; then to Mon 1 CONC tgomery 1 CONT CoOh, died there.(PSF) 1 CONT 0 @T547@ NOTE !MARRiage: John Coulte 1 CONT 0 @T548@ NOTE NFR 1 CONT 0 @T549@ NOTE MARR: Susan REINHART; LancCoPa leads to PS Frappier. 1 CONT 0 @T550@ NOTE MARR: John BOHAM in Pa 1 CONT 0 @T852@ NOTE meili booklet 1 CONT 0 @T1438@ NOTE !PSF: Jan '94 she married Benjamin GROFF> 1 CONT 0 @T2514@ NOTE !NOTES: she m2 Hieronimus Miller, nfr. 1 CONT 0 TRLR

looking for ancestry of Susanna MEIXEL b. 1831 m. Peter BOWMAM b.1826- I'm missing Susanna's parents and possibly grandparents.(possible grandfathers-George MEIXEL or brother Conrad MEIXEL. From there it would link to Andreas Meixel Jr b. 1722 m. Catherine AHLENTZ and Andreas MEIXEL sr. m. Anna Maria SCHWAB(swope) dau of Jost. The early Meixels lived in Upper Leacock twp. area. Susanna Meixel and Peter Bowman lived in the Earl, Caernarvon areas of Lancaster County with other links to Brecknock twp of Lanc and Berks county. thanks rod ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Paula Konsavage wrote: >Hi all, > >I am hoping someone out there can help me. Maybe someone has run into a >similar problem. I am trying to get information on my great Uncle >Christopher Schmerfeld. He was in World War One and died and is buried in >the Phillipines. When I first attempted to get information, I wrote a >letter to the national archives. They gave me a file number but, told me I >need to write to the Dept of Veterans Affairs regional office in >Philadelphia. So I wrote another letter and sent it to Philadelphia. >Philadelphia's response was the records were in Washington state and needed >to be sent for. This was back in January of this year. Philadelphia said >they would send me the records as soon as they were received by them. In >the mean time I wrote to the Personnel Dept of Veterans in St. Louis >Missouri. Seeing that they had a fire back in 1973 and a lot of the records >were destroyed, they sent me what they could reconstuct using other records. >>From Missouri I obtained a death date, place of death and enlistment >information. I just received word from Philadelphia that they have no >records for my uncle. What could have happened to the records? My uncle >was never married and had no children. I am also wondering why he was >buried in the Phillipines and never brought back to the states to be buried. >Does anyone know who I have to contact to try to obtain a death certificate >for him? He died 6 June 1929 in the US Army hospital-Sternberg General >Hospital, Manila, Philippines. The Army is my only chance on obtaining >information on him. Most of my relatives were unaware he even existed. If >anyone knows how I can proceed from here please let me know. I am really >curious as to how he died, if he had war injuries or just had gotten sick. >Thank you for your help. > >Paula Konsavage >Ray's Yankee! > Hi! I would try contacting your County Veteran's Affairs Office & explain the above. Hopefully they will know whom you should contact for additional information - or even if it can be found. Your local Veterans of Foreign Wars or Legion may also be able to help "brainstorm" for additional ideas of where to look. As a last resort, try your local congressman's office & ask them to look into it. If he was still in the military when he died, I would think the Department of the Army should have something, somewhere! I wish you the best of luck... -Linnea ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

>Brenda Hébert wrote: >> >> >Hi! >> > >> >I remember seeing something about a 1783 Pennsylvania Census. Was there >> >one? Is it available through the LDS Family History Centers like the >> >Federal Census? Was there a 1793 Census? Do these state censuses give >> >any better info than the Federal Censuses of 1790 and 1800? >> > >> >Thank you! >> >Brenda >> Linnea Miller responded: >> Hi! >> >> I know there are TAX lists for years before the 1790 Federal Census, but I >> am not familiar with any PA Stte Census (if there are, please let us all >> know!!) The tax lists available are for all counties in existance by >> township. They will tell you the taxable's name, acreage, possibly # cows, >> horses, sheep, slaves & tax amount. Different counties have different years >> which have been "saved". They can be found in the PUBLISHED Pennsylvania >> Archives Series 3. These are avaiable on microfilm from the FHC's (if >> you're not in PA you will probably have to order them.) This Series also >> includes land patent lists & some military records. The indexes for that >> series are in vols 18-30. They also have some *really neat* early PA maps >> in the Appendix for Series 3!!! >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> -Linnea >Hi, I am not certain, but you may be looking for the "window tax"!!! >There was a tax, where they taxed the windows, in a household, prior to >1790 cencus!!! I have seen it, at one of the historical soc. where i had >gone. I don,t know, if they all have one, but there was such a tax. It >named head of house hold etc. Bill > Also, the 1798 Direct Tax is a REALLY NEAT one!!! It often will tell you the type of structure and who owned the property next door!!! It will let you know if someone else lived there, too (other than the owner). -Linnea ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

In 1969, we had a 16 year old German exchange student. In 1970, his parents, Hans and Leni came to visit us. Hans was appalled that we did not know our German roots and seemed to show no interest. Hans was just Gerhard's father, our friend, and "did" something with the German government concerning waterways. Hans went home and did an extensive research for us from the mid 1700 until they came to America. I did a little work, but was still involved with raising a family.I kept getting letters from German officials and mayors of towns until I finally wormed it out of Hans that he was indeed a RATHER important man and wrote on his official stationery to the mayors and other officials that his American friend NEEDED this information ASAP. Needless to say we got it!About 5 years ago, I picked up my papers and started in again and am now knee deep...or up to my eyebrows.Turns out Hans has done extensive genealogy work for himself and others..is the author of several religious books for his church and is currently working on another. I plead with him to get a computer and get on-line, so I can write him, but he insists he would never do anything else but play on the computer.I don't know who deciphers his notes. I know I never could.Recently, I sent him my information and he kindly gave me an A+ for effort. He didn't mention accuracy!I've come a long way, Baby!...with much credit and help from very nice people. Genealogists are THE BEST! Still researching BATDORF,CALKINS,DEFFINBAUGH,FRITZ...and when I finish them, there are the Mc GILVRAYS AND GRAYS. Mary Jo Fritz

Dem Bones wrote: > > Anyone working on the SMITH family from Lancaster Co. Pa. I am looking for > the parents > of Rebecca Smith b abt 1751 md 1771 Micheal Lingenfield of Bart twp. Lanc. > Co Pa. > Possible neice of Barbara Smith who md Matthias Slaymaker before 1750. He > was a > witness at Micheal's father John Lingenfield's death. > I have no other info at this time. > Selma Bonewald 203 Harmont Rd Waterford, Wisconsin 53185 > jbonew@setnet.net Sorry I can't add to your search for SMITHs in Lancaster, but have also been having trouble with the SMITH name in Cumberland Co. Am searching for the parents of Simon SMITH b. Sept. 1777. I find a reference to him in Carlisle in 1801 when he buys a lot with a John SMITH, Jr. They were both Blacksmiths by trade. I don't know if they were related, but would assume they were. Saw somewhere the Simon SMITHs wife was named Nancy. The SMITHs stayed in Carlisle for quite a while and were all blacksmiths. Simon had a son Simon and this Simon had a son George Washington SMITH, and they were all blacksmiths in Carlisle. Will keep a eye out for your SMITH line in Lancaster as I am searching many of my lines there also. Good hunting and let me know if you ever find any reference to my Simon. Jack Reichert ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Anyone working on the SMITH family from Lancaster Co. Pa. I am looking for the parents of Rebecca Smith b abt 1751 md 1771 Micheal Lingenfield of Bart twp. Lanc. Co Pa. Possible neice of Barbara Smith who md Matthias Slaymaker before 1750. He was a witness at Micheal's father John Lingenfield's death. I have no other info at this time. Selma Bonewald 203 Harmont Rd Waterford, Wisconsin 53185 jbonew@setnet.net

Hi all, I am hoping someone out there can help me. Maybe someone has run into a similar problem. I am trying to get information on my great Uncle Christopher Schmerfeld. He was in World War One and died and is buried in the Phillipines. When I first attempted to get information, I wrote a letter to the national archives. They gave me a file number but, told me I need to write to the Dept of Veterans Affairs regional office in Philadelphia. So I wrote another letter and sent it to Philadelphia. Philadelphia's response was the records were in Washington state and needed to be sent for. This was back in January of this year. Philadelphia said they would send me the records as soon as they were received by them. In the mean time I wrote to the Personnel Dept of Veterans in St. Louis Missouri. Seeing that they had a fire back in 1973 and a lot of the records were destroyed, they sent me what they could reconstuct using other records. From Missouri I obtained a death date, place of death and enlistment information. I just received word from Philadelphia that they have no records for my uncle. What could have happened to the records? My uncle was never married and had no children. I am also wondering why he was buried in the Phillipines and never brought back to the states to be buried. Does anyone know who I have to contact to try to obtain a death certificate for him? He died 6 June 1929 in the US Army hospital-Sternberg General Hospital, Manila, Philippines. The Army is my only chance on obtaining information on him. Most of my relatives were unaware he even existed. If anyone knows how I can proceed from here please let me know. I am really curious as to how he died, if he had war injuries or just had gotten sick. Thank you for your help. Paula Konsavage Ray's Yankee! BECK, BETZ, BOTTLER, BRANDAW, CLEMENS,FREY, FRYE, GLEZMAN (GLESSENDER), GROWNEY, HARTRANFT, HAUCK, HECKMAN, HINKLE,HOLLAR, KELLER,KOCH, KONSAVAGE (KANCEIWICZ), LINDERMAN, MOORE,MULVANEY, PETREY, QAUCKENBUSH, SABULSKY, SCHMERFELD, SCHOCK, SHAUP, SHEIPE, WAGNER, WILCAVAGE (WILKEWICZ) ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visit the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

>Do others have stories of how they got involved in genealogy? I had to do a small family tree as an English assignment when I was a high school freshman. The teacher had a guest come in who had done extensive research and brought a "book" he'd done with him. It absolutely fascinated me....been chasing my roots ever since. Pam http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9467/ `[1;31;40mRainbow V 1.20.2 for Delphi - Registered ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visit the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

In a message dated 9/29/97 1:36:50 AM, Rod wrote: <<History of Conestoga Township, Hiller, Peter C., 1883. I would like to buy a copy of the above book. Has anyone heard of it? or know of its availability?>> Rod I hope this is of some help. I have used Avid Reader and they found my obscure book quickly and sold it to me at a fair price. * The American Association of University Women Book Finders is a non-profit organization that will search an inventory of about 8000 antiquarian book dealers for a specific title. The search usually takes about 100 days, and is conducted at no charge. Write AAU Book Finders, PO Box 8151, Corpus Christi TX 78468 Remember to submit all information with the source and dates whenever possible. (From Guernsey Co. Ohio's Gen Society Newsletter, May 1996) *Rare and out of print book search needed? Try Avid Reader at: http://www.avidreader.com *Rare Maps site: Http://libs.uga.edu/darchive/hargrett/maps/maps.html Julia in Colorado ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

My recipe is a little more generic. My ggrandmother, who came here from Germany taught my Mom how to make this. Since they both cook by "feel", I had to have Mom make it and then measure out everything before she put it in. 5# potatoes 1# bacon Cornstarch Water Onion Cook potatoes in the skins, when done, peel right away and slice (this takes hotpads and paper towels to accomlish). As you slice them put them back in the original pan, sprinkling raw onion, salt and pepper on them and putting the lid back on to keep the potatoes hot (cooks the onion just right). When finished with all those potatoes, let sit for awhile while you fry up the bacon which has been sliced. Save about 1/4 cup of the bacon grease, mix the cornstarch and water. Add some water to the bacon grease, it's a guess and by God thing, then add the cornstarch and water, cooking and adding cornstarch/water until the mixture comes off the sides of the pan as you stir. Then pour over the potato/onion mixture. I tried many recipes, tasted many potato salads and only one other matched this one, that was a small German restaurant in Green Bay, WI. Beth

Vee L. Housman wrote: > (snip) > But, nonetheless, what a 15-year-old girl wrote for an English > assignment 50 years ago is now the only documented history of John > William Riley that the family has! What a wonderful story about Uncle Will. The part about your writing it in the first place as a school assignment reminds me of how I got started on this genealogy stuff in the first place. My niece was given virtually the same assignment for a college course last year (does this say something about changes in education levels? - never mind, that is another subject). She started by asking my father, who is 90, for a brief account of the facts of his life that she could use for the assignment. He wrote it and she used it and also got 100%. But then he decided the brief account did not satisfy him so he started expanding it into an autobiography, now about 120 pages and counting. I got involved by offering to put it in a word processor for him. I did that, and then I started thinking wouldn't it be nice to have some family trees for an appendix, but I didn't have enough information, so I started collecting more of it and one thing led to another, and here I am. But. It is only his father's family that is PaDutch; his mother's is, I don't know, English origin I suppose, and I am getting in over my head and lost in what is for an Easterner like me the howling wilderness of the Midwest, Ohio and westward. It seems his maternal grandmother had three husbands (outlived them all) and in trying to trace the sequence of events - the questions I asked reminded Dad of things - we are now all the way out in Bleeding Kansas with John Brown. Literally; it seems my greatgrandmother knew the old maniac personally and claimed to have repaired his trousers on one occasion. Don't ask me exactly how well she knew him; that is all I know so far. Apparently most of them came back to Pennsylvania, where they had started from, eventually. Do others have stories of how they got involved in genealogy? -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Interested in names: FRANK, KELLER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ