Vee, Have you thought about putting all of these memories, stories and poems in a book form and selling them? Maybe you could finance your reasearch!! Teri > To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Grandma's Apron > I just had to reply to this letter from Vee. First I must ask "Whaddya > mean 'Grandma's' apron"??? I still wear one like that. LOL I use mine > for all that you mentioned except for shooing chickens and cows but > that's only because I have no chickens or cows. It comes in handy for > carrying, wiping, etc. It is so thin you can almost see through it so I > guess I'd better get a new one. They are great. Loved your letter. :-D > Judy > > > Terry (Phil 4:13) Teri (Ps 37:5) pastor751@greenapple.com http://www.greenapple.com/~pastor751 New October feature page - CIVIL WAR http://www.rootsweb.com/~mtwheatl/index.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnisanti/Isanti/

Here are some bits of info from the September 1997 newsletter of the South Central Pennsylvania Genealogical Society that I thought may be of interest to the group: Dr. Charles L. Eater, Jr. researched the STONEBRAKER family for 15 years. When he died 14 APril 1995, he had nearly completed a book on the family. After Dr. Eater's death, Charles William "Bill" Morgan prepared the manuscript for printing and added a surname index with 3,453 names. The result "The Stonbrakers in America", is a soft cover volume of 291 pages. It traces the descendants of the four known Stonebraker immigrants: Christian Stonebraker (51 pages), Johann Dietrich Steinbrecher (80 pages), Gerhart Steinbrecher (2 pages), and Johann Valentin Steinbrecher (112 pages). The price of the book is $30. THere is an additional charge of $2.50 for packaging and mailing. Send checks to Charles William Morgan, 29 Mount Rock Road, Shippensburg, PA 17257. -------- After a long and careful study, Larry C. Bolin has prepared a new publication for the Adams County Historical Society entitled "1790 Federal Census: Adams County, Pennsylvania - A Study". He used available 1789 and 1792 York County tax lists, the 1908 U. S. government publication of the heads of families in Pennsylvania in 1790, and microfilmed copies of the census schedules. With the help of these resources, Larry was able to determine the township in which most, but not all, of the people lumped together in the two lists actually lived. In the process Larry found some errors in the published transcripts of the 1790 census, based on his reading of the microfilmed versions. The publication is available from the Adams County Historical Society (Box 4325, Gettysburg, PA 17325) for $8.75 by mail. -------- Vanessa R. Stern (vstern@gte.com) GTE Laboratories Incorporated --Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.-- ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I have two extra copies of issues of Pennsylvania Genealogist and Historian. I'll sell the two for $5 ppd to the first person who asks. August 1994, Number 25 Contents: Narrative of the Captivity and Sufferings of Benjamin Gilbert and His Family in 1780 (continued) Civil War Photograph Collection, U. S. Army Military History Institute, Carlisle Barracks (continued) Advice to Emigrants in America 1812 Genealogical Holdings of Citizens Library, Washgton, PA, Part V (Pedigree Charts and Family Group Sheets, Vols 6-8) Locations of Scottish Families in Ireland (A-Co) Genealogical Queries Nov 94/Feb 95, Number 26 Contents: Narrative of the Captivity and Sufferings of Benjamin Gilbert and His Family in 1780 (concluded) Civil War Photograph Collection, U. S. Army Military History Institute, Carlisle Barracks (continued) Genealogical Holdings of Citizens Library, Washgton, PA, Part VI (Pedigree Charts and Family Group Sheets, Vols 8-9) Locations of Scottish Families in Ireland (Co-Fl) Judging the Age of a Horse by Its Teeth Genealogical Queries Vanessa R. Stern (vstern@gte.com) GTE Laboratories Incorporated --Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.-- ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I have an "unrecorded" will reference to one of my ancestors, Laurence/Lorenz BOLGER/BULGER that led to another reference, etc.... that he was born "abt 1752" and died in 1821 in Ayr Township, Pennsylvania. (I believe it is a township in the corner of Cumberland County, near Carlisle.) Does anyone know if there are any cemetaries in Ayr Township, or otherwise has a contact for genealogy in the township? (It took my almost two years to find this BOLGER/BULGER (based on having several of his children), and I'm guessing it will be harder and harder to go back without a more local resource.... I don't know what religion he is, but he is probably not Catholic (based on the religion practiced/not practiced by his descendants), if that helps Thanks in advance! - Jeff R

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On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:55:24 -0400 "dalice" <dalice@ccomm.com> writes: > > >Looking for death date of Eden R. SASSAMAN, born 1861 at Boyertown, >Berks County. > Dalice Dear Dalice, I checked across the hall with Larry Sassaman ( LARRYSAS@JUNO.COM) who works with me. He has ancestors in Berks Co, but doesn't specifically recognize the name you're inquiring about. He has some of the Snyder & Union Co family organized. Maybe the two of you can find another link. One piece of trivia for you. He has a photo of Sassmanshausen where he believes the family originated. Bob Lamparter Selinsgrove, PA ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

Looking for death date of Eden R. SASSAMAN, born 1861 at Boyertown, Berks County.

In the book"Guide to the Mortgages of the General Loan Office of the Province of Pennsylvania, 1724-1756" compiled by James M. Duffin. published 1995. In the forward is stated City Archivist Ward J. Childs prepared a proposal describing TWELVE little-used record groups of potentially great value..." Does any one know iwhat the twelve groups are? Will they be published? Are they microfilmed? I am searching the in early 1700 and most interested in these records. I hope someone can answer my questions. Ann Bingaman Jacobs ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Does anybody out there have access to the book: "Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at US Ports?" I am looking for Clemens (Clemenz) Maier, born Nov 23, 1844, Kolbingen, Germany; Anton (Antonius) Maier, born Apr 13, 1817; Kolbingen, Germany; Anna Maria (Schad) Maier, born May 22 1811 Kolbingen, Germany; John Evangelist Moyer, born Nov 10, 1865, Kolbingen, Germany. Bill Maier ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I guess I'm still in a story-writing mood (actually, I'm trying to avoid the huge stack of genealogy on my desk!). I hope you all will bear with me and my trips down Memory Lane. GRANDMA’S ALL-PURPOSE APRON Do you remember the apron that Grandma alway wore? You know, the one that wrapped half way around her, tied in the back in a bow and had a big bib to it? Oh, the many uses she had for that apron! First, of course, was to protect her house dress from getting dirty. But that was only the beginning. Aprons always had a least one pocket. She may have had a hankie stuffed into it but more than likely she used the pocket for a place to put little odds and ends she picked up around the house--hair pins, stray pennies, buttons, maybe a clothes pin or two--any little thing that needed to be put back in its place. Aprons were rarely spotlessly clean. Over time they got stained at the belly from leaning up against the sink or the countertop. They were always handy when she needed to wipe her hands on something. They were also handy for wiping her sweaty brow and handy when listening to soap operas--they wiped away tears in a jiffy. Of course, children’s tears got wiped away by aprons also. And children’s faces were spot-cleaned with a tip of the apron. When Grandma would see one of the kids with a smudge on his face, she would moisten the tip of the apron with her tongue and then scrub off the smudge. Aprons also were good for playing Peek-a-Boo with the baby. Aprons made good baskets. They’ve been known to carry a virtual harvest out of the vegetable garden and into the house. A flapping apron was good for shooing the chickens or herding the cows back to the barn. They made a good fan on a sweltering day over a steaming wash tub and they made a warm muff on a chilly morning. But you could bet your bottom dollar that when someone came to the front door, Grandma wouldn’t answer it until she took off her apron and hung it up on a hook or a door knob. Heavens to Betsy if someone were to see Grandma in her apron! Vee L. Housman

Hi Everyone, It's been a while since I posted any messages so thought I would list the family I am searching again. One large family but many variations in the spelling of the name. RAINSBARGER, RAINSBERG, RAINSBURG, RAINSBURGER, RAMSBERG, RAMSBERGER, RAMSBURG, RAMSBURGH, RAMSPERGER, RANSBARGER, RANSBERG, RANSBERGER, RANSBURG, REMSBERG, REMSBURG, REMSBURGH, REMSPERGER, RENSBERGER, RENSBURG, RENSBURGER, ROMESBERG, ROMESBURG, ROMESPERGER, ROOMSBERG, ROOMSBURG and the oldest spelling being RIEMENSPERGER Carol Randall cjbj@SoCa.com ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

The following chapter, while not strictly a Pa-Dutch item, is such a beautifully written chapter, that I feel the people researching these old names of the colonial days, will enjoy the situation expressed by the eminent Dr. Rush. WATSON'S ANNALS OF PHILADELPHIA Vol. 2 page 75 Published 1857 Written c.1840 BYBERRY This township was settled as early as Philadelphia itself. The first Englishman who explored it were four brothers of the name of WALTON, who had landed at New Castle, and set out on foot to make their discoveries and choice of location. When they came to Byberry, they were much pleased with a spot of open grass land, and determined to make it their permanent home. They soon got a few acres into wheat, although they had to go back as far as Chester to procure their seed. These were soon after joined by other settlers, among whom were Comly, Carter, Rush, and others, ---- the latter named was the ancestor of the distinguished Dr. Rush. The greater part of the first settlers were Friends, which for numerous years afterwards gave to the country the ascendency of Friends' principles and manners. It was therefore, for many years, the preferred spot of visitation for the remaining Indians, numbers of whom used to gather annually from Edge Pillock and other places in New Jersey, forming little colonies, which would set down at favourite places in the woods, and subsist a while on the land turtle they could catch, and the game they could kill. In these woods they gathered their supply of materials for making baskets, spoons, and ladles, bows and arrows, &c., and saying, as their apology, that their forefathers had reserved such rights in their disposal of the territory. The people were too kind to them to dispute their privilege, and they continued to visit, unmolested, until the period of the revolution. The frank and generous hospitality of the Indians to the original settlers deserved a kind and generous return. The descendants of the original settler, (Carver), have told me of a striking case of kindness. When his family was greatly pinched for bread-stuff, and knew of none nearer than Chester or New Castle, they sent out their children to some neighbouring Indians, intending to leave them there until they could have food for them at home; but the Indians took off the boys' trowsers, tied the legs full of corn, and sent them back thus seasonably loaded. Byberry is remarkable for having been once destined as the location of Philadelphia city ! At the lower or southern side of the mouth of the Poquessink creek is a pretty elevation of table land, conforming to the line of the river Delaware, covered with a range of pine trees and others, intermixed, and showing now a primitive state and character, such as we understand Philadelphia itself originally had. Our youth who pass it in the steamboats should observe it. This site had once been surveyed and plotted as Philadelphia; and circumstances, for numerous years afterwards, caused it to be called popularly, "Old Philadelphia." It is now a part of the country seat of Mr. Morgan; --- and his present mansion, altered and repaired, was once celebrated as "the bake house", at which, on a large scale, biscuit were baked for sea service, and for the continental army. So many of the descendants of the primitive inhabitants still occupy in prosperity the places of their forefathers, and give perpetuity to the names of so many original settlers, that it is gratifying now, to ride through their townshhip, and to witness the comforts enjoyed by them. This love of visiting and contemplating places filled with local impressions, generated by the events and doings of our forefathers, is one of the strongest and purest feelings of our nature, and one which we wish to foster, with warm hearted interest, in these pages. It flings over the imagination a delightful spell, where fancy draws those pictures of the past, more homebred, social and endearing, when viewed glimmering through the mist of years. With thoughts like these, we are prompted to add, in conclusion, some extracts from a letter written with pathos and feeling by the celebrated Dr. Rush, to the Hon. John Adams --- his warm and social friend, on the occasion of his visit to Byberry, in 1812, to see the old HOMESTEAD, and to revive the images of his childhood and departed kindred; --- even its length, in this place, will be excused by those who know how to appreciate such pure emotions, so prompted by country and home. Such feelings are full of poetry and sensibility, and may some day present to some future Byberry poet, the theme of a touching poem ! When silent time, with lightly foot, Had trod o'er fifty years, He sought again his native spot With grateful thoughts and tears;-- When he drew nigh his ancient home His heart beat all the way,-- Each place he pass'd seem'd still to speak Of some dear former day. "I was called," says he, "lately to visit a patient in that neighbourhood, and having with me my youngest son, I thought I would avail myself of the occasion to visit THE FARM on which I was born, and where my ancestors for several generations had lived and died. In approaching it, I was agitated in a manner I did not expect. The access was altered, but every thing around was nearly the same as in the days of my boyhood, AT WHICH TIME I LEFT IT. The family there, though strangers to me, received me kindly, and discovered a disposition to satisfy my curiosity and gratify my feelings. I soon asked permission to conduct my son up stairs to see the room in which I drew my first breath and made my first UNWELCOME noise in the world, and where first began the affection and cares of my beloved and excellent mother. I next asked for a large cedar tree which once stood before the door, --- planted by my father's hand. It had been converted into the pillars of the piazza before the house. Filled with emotion, I embraced the one nearest me. I next inquired for the orchard planted by the same hand, and was conducted to an eminence behind the house, where I saw a number of apple trees which still bore fruit, to each of which I felt something like the affection of a brother. The building, which is of stone, bears marks of age and decay. On one of the stones near the front door, I discovered the letters J. R. Before the house flows a small but deep creek, abounding in pan fish. The farm consists of ninety acres, in a highly cultivated state. The owner did not want to sell; but I begged, if he ever should incline to dispose of it, to make me or one of my surviving sons the first offer. While I sat in its common room, I looked at its walls, and thought how often they had been made vocal by my ancestors --- to conversations about wolves, bears, and snakes, in the first settlement; afterwards about cows and calves, and colts and lambs, &c., and at all times, with prayers and praises, and chapters read audibly from the Bible; for all who inhabited it, of my family, were pious people --- chiefly of the sect of Quakers and Baptists. On my way home, I stopped to view a family graveyard, in which were buried three and a part of four successive generations, all of whom were the descendants of Captain John Rush, who, with six sons and three daughters, followed William Penn to Pennsylvania in 1683. He had been a captain of a troop of horse under Oliver Cromwell; and when I first settled in Philadelphia, I was sometimes visited by one of his grandsons, a man of eighty-five years of age, who had, when a boy, often seen and conversed with the former, and especially concerning his services under the Protector. I retain, as his relics, his sword, watch and Bible leaf, on which is inscribed, in his own hand, his marriage, and children's births and names. My grandfather, James Rush, after whom my son, the physician, is named, has his gravestone and inscription in the aforesaid grave ground --- as "departed this life, March 16, 1727, aged 48 years, &c." He was a farmer and gunsmith, of much ingenuity in his business. While standing and considering this repository of the dead, there holding my kindred dust, my thoughts ran wild, and my ancestors seemed to stand before me in their homespun dresses, and to say, what means THIS GENTLEMAN, by thus intruding upon our repose; and I seemed to say --- dear and venerable friends, be not disturbed. I am one who inherits your blood and name, and come here to do homage to your Christian and moral virtues; and truly, I have acquired nothing from the world, (though raised in fame), which I so highly prize as the religious principles that I value so much as the innocence and purity of your character. After my return from such a visit, I recounted in the evening to my family, the incidents of the day, to which they listened with great pleasure; and heartily they partook of some cherries from the limb of my father's tree, which my little son brought home with him as a treat to them." Such a letter, from such an eminent man, consecrates to kindly remembrance such hallowed localities; --- It gives to me, if I needed it, a sufficient apology for thus enlarging this chapter on recollections and incidents of Byberry. They will come home to the bosom of many. There is not a spot in this wide-peopled earth, So dear to the heart as the land of our birth; `Tis the home of our childhood, the soul-touching spot, Which mem'ry retains when all else is forgot ! A letter written under such circumstsances does more to illustrate the character and the HEART of the writer, than a volume of common biography. The visit of such a man to the graves of his ancestors, creates a stirring at the heart of the sensitive reader. There is piety in it --- an enthusiasm and holiness of feeling devoted to the dead, which give character and immortality to him who cherished them. His feelings were far better and more pure than to be borne aloft BY HIS RENOWN, amidst the hosannas of the people. In such a place for thought --- for mental abstraction, how withdrawn from the tempests which sweep over the world's affairs ! What a rest to the heart ! --- The fancy only is busy, when it there cons over the former employments, business, joys, sorrows, hopes and fears of those now beneath his tread. The world's glory --- its highest ambition, quickly fades and dies before the tranquil pleasures of such an hour as this. Such a HOME is consecrated by such a letter, and should be perpetuated and visited as the SOLUM NATALE of a man both good and great. One cannot forbear the wish that the sons of such a father should long possess the home, and there preserve the simple and touching narrative of such a parent ! I would inscribe such a letter upon ITS WALLS for ever --- ESTO TU PERPETUA. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

Dear Margaret, I would guess that the term would be Nonagenerians. Robert Margaret J Stevens wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the term to describe the age of persons in their > nineties? Octogenarians are those to the 80's. A discussion amongst > friends came to naught for this word. > Joyce Stevens > Family genealogists never die; they just lose their census!

Hi Joyce, Webster says nonagenarian [no-na-ge-nar-i-an]. Hope we all make it !!! Evelyn >Can anyone tell me the term to describe the age of persons in their >nineties? Octogenarians are those to the 80's. A discussion amongst >friends came to naught for this word. >Joyce Stevens

Margaret J Stevens wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the term to describe the age of persons in their > nineties? Octogenarians are those to the 80's. A discussion amongst > friends came to naught for this word. > Joyce Stevens > Family genealogists never die; they just lose their census! The word is "nonagenarian" and after that "centenarian" for anyone 100 years and older. Bonnie ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

OK, you're still not going to get any important surnames about your families with this story but, nonetheless, this time the story has a definite genealogical message. It has to do once again with my great-uncle Will Riley and my grandmother's sister, my great-aunt Annie (Essick). My apologies to Elaine who just now received the whole nine yards of this story. Regarding dear Uncle Will and Aunt Annie, I can vaguely recall the very few times that I visited them in West Chester when I was a little girl. They never had any children and when my sister and I would visit, we were well aware that we shouldn't touch ANYTHING! But oh what a joy it was when I was actually allowed to sit down at their player piano in their parlor and, with feet barely able to reach the pump pedals, make the music rolls go around and see the piano keys bouncing up and down. I was really playing a piano!!!! What beautiful music! How I would dearly love to know all the details of their lives but that would be totally impossible. Even with all sorts of historic records, they couldn't possibly give the slightest clue about them. You see, Annie was actually the first born of the family and she was illigitimate. Her father was a man by the name of STONER. Children may have been illigimate in those days but at least everyone knew who the father was--I've learned not to judge my grandmothers, grand-aunts, etc. a long time ago. Aunt Annie was a beautiful woman (although I never knew that) and it wasn't all that long ago that my aunt (her niece) handed over to me the HUGE stack of photographs she had from Aunt Annie. It's LOADED with pictures of Annie and it is quite obvious that she was a bit of a vain woman in that the pictures show her in all sorts of lovely poses. But to imagine her and Uncle Will--a carnival man from York Springs, Adams Co.--in the circle that they must have lived for a number of years (there are other pictures of people who must have also been carnival folks) and then to have been caretakers for very rich people in the West Chester area, takes more than a bit of imagination! My mother wrote down some of her memories and she wrote very vividly about her own experiences in visiting Uncle Will and Aunt Annie when they were caretakers. She remembered oh so fondly about her visits and the trips to Willow Grove Park to hear John Philip Sousa and Roger Pryor's bands play in ca 1910. Aunt Annie LOVED music! [Elaine:] If you would like, I could send off those memories to you. Oh, there's so much to tell and to write about Uncle Will and Aunt Annie! Isn't it a pity that there's never enough time to do the things we REALLY would like to do? And isn't it a pity that it takes over 50 years to realize that you had one heck of a great-aunt and great-uncle and never got to know them as real people? Oh, yes, the genealogical message: For heavens sake, if you still have a great-aunt or a great-uncle still alive, get to know them. They just might blow your mind with the tales of their lives! vee

Can anyone tell me the term to describe the age of persons in their nineties? Octogenarians are those to the 80's. A discussion amongst friends came to naught for this word. Joyce Stevens Family genealogists never die; they just lose their census!

I am cross posting this inquiry to the Brethren and Pennsylvania Dutch lists. If you subscribe to both, you will get a duplicate of this message. Forgive my ignorance in asking this question, rather questions, but my husband witnessed something yesterday that has me rather upset and confused. My husband works in an auto parts store and a family came in yesterday wanting a part. The mother and small daughter were dressed alike in long skirts, long sleeved shirts and their hair was in a bun covered in a white bun cap. He waited on this family with courtesy and found what they needed. They were pleased and left. After they had gone, one of the other employees began a tirade on how these "people" were not "Christian" and were a "Devil Cult." How they should not be allowed to practice their "witchcraft." Now, and here is where you must pardon my ignorance, from the description my husband gave to me on the dress of this family, I believe them to either be Brethren or Mennonite. Of which neither is a "Witchcraft or Devil Cult!" I feel I have been insulted through this lack of compassion and common decency from one individual toward another. I thought religious persecution was over....I guess I got a wake up lesson yesterday. If you can help me understand what it was that was witnessed yesterday, and maybe the reason why, it would be appreciated. I am not sure enough of the Brethren/Mennonite history to adequately convey the facts to the employee who was openly hostile to these people, but I would sure like to educate him....if not in compassion toward your fellow man, than at least common decency and manners. Please contact me privately as I am sure this is not something that should be continued on this list. Thank you and Sincerely, Janet Davis goob@innova.net ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Hi, Looking for info on: Elizabeth STYER born c1797 marr: Peter FOREMAN died: c1841 child: John FOREMAN I'm researching both the STYER name and the FOREMAN name. Thank you, Cheri Lee McElroy cmcelroy@mexia.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2840 ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Hi , Does anyone know who Butler co., PA was named after? Was Butler a common name in PA? I am looking for info on these people: Richard BUTLER born: c1690 | Richard BUTLER born: c1710 marr: Jane ________ He lived in Chester co., PA | Sarah BUTLER born: c1730 PA marr: beofre 1751 Jacob UPDEGROVE Lived in Coventry, Chester co., PA Does anyone have any advice in researching these people? Thank you, Cheri Lee McElroy cmcelroy@mexia.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2840