dnj@netins.net Can someone direct me to a list of Lutheran Churches and Cemeteries in York Co PA that would have been during the 1931-1845 era. Any Information appreciated. Joan

Linnea Miller wrote: > > OmahaMom wrote Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:53:22 -0400 (EDT): > > > Similar story used to go around about the Red Velvet Cake (the one that > >uses an entire bottle of red food coloring) that supposedly came from a big > >hotel (possibly Waldorf Astoria.) > > Cake's good though. > > Haven't seen the Red Velvet story, but I do have the recipe from my mom. YOUR MOM?? Yipes! Makes me feel old! I still have the recipe! Reminds me of the time I made it for a St. Pat's day party and substituted green for red food coloring. It used so much! and everyone's mouth and lips were green! > It's an "oldie", and I have it listed as Waldorf Astoria Cake. It's really > yummy & moist (especially with the fluffy white frosting that "tickles" the > roof of your mouth!!) > > -Linnea > Linda Stienstra jimlinda@lightspeed.net Tehachapi, California ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Jennifer, Vee, and all: I thought you all might like to know how my afternoon of cemetery searching went since you were all so helpful. First of all, for some reason I could not access the map website Jennifer was so kind to tell me about. However, she went beyond the call of duty and got the necessary information for me. After she mentioned the map site I remembered about MapQuest which is another Internet map page. I went to that site and found Dover in York Co. and found Salem Church Road on that map. At about the same time as I was locating the road Vee came along with the information which reinforced the location for me. My husband has been taking these lovely autumn Friday afternoons off from work and we have been locating our ancestors' final resting places which for the most part are less than a 2 hour drive from our house. To make a long story short I found Salem Church in Dover (often called Strayers) with NO trouble thanks to all of you. So here is the story: We found the kindly caretaker and chatted with him about the cemetery. He told us many stones have been lost--whole rows of them. The cemetery goes back many years--there are many VERY old stones there. Many are barely readable--and others cannot be read at all. I was very lucky in that the stones I was looking for could be read quite easily. In this cemetery I found the graves of my 5th great-grandfather Philip Jacob Zinn born 25 May 1737 and died 4 May 1809, and his wife Maria Elizabeth Barthmes. A lovely, and fairly recent, marker had been placed in the cemetery by the Barthmes Family Association in addition to the original marker. Also buried in this cemetery I found my 3rd great-grandfather, Jonas Hoffheins, born 13 April 1797 and died 16 December 1856. The inscription on his grave reads: "My dearest friends that dwell above I now have gone to see, and all my friends down below will soon come after me." We then proceeded to head to the town of Jacobus in Springfield Township, York County, to visit a few other graves at Salem Lutheran Church in that town. That one I knew how to find. I had been past it before while visiting another cemetery in the town, but did not know I had ancestors buried in this church at that time. The town of Jacobus is named for my 2nd greatgrandfather, Jacob Geiselman, who was sort of the first postmaster. You see, Jacob ran the general store in town for many years. The town was named New Paradise back then, after the name of the town church. When the U.S. Postal Service began deliverying mail to New Paradise they merely dropped the letters off at the general store which also doubled as the post office. The post master from Lancaster which serviced New Paradise told Jacob that the men of the town would have to come up with a new name for the town if they wanted their mail to arrive safely. There was too much confusion with Paradise Twp. in Lancaster Co., and Paradise in York Co. as well. The men talked it over and could not arrive at any name they liked for the town. Jacob told the post master that they could not think of a new name so the post master bagan to write "Jacob U.S.Mail" on the letters going to Jacob's store. Soon that was abreviated to "JacobU.S." and before long the town became known as Jacobus. The name has stuck for over 150 years now. But alas, I digress, on to Salem Lutheran Cemetery and my ancestors who lie buried there. My 3rd great-grandfather, John Jacob Geiselman (father of Jacob, Jr., for whom the town was named) born 3 May 1787 and died 28 February 1864 and his wife Elizabeth (Goodling) born 10 May 1787 and died 22 February 1851 are buried near the church and beside Jacob, Sr. on the opposite side from Elizabeth is Elizabeth's sister Catharine who married Jacob, Sr. after Elizabeth's death. Catharine was a widow at the time and her first husband had been Dr. Marbourg. Buried very near to Jacob, Sr. and his two wives were Joseph Leader born 23 October 1798 and died 1883 and his wife Catharine (King) born 16 Mar. 1802 and died 25 April 1885. Joseph and Catharine's daughter Anna Mary was the wife of Jacob Geiselman, Jr.--son of Jacob, Sr. and Elizabeth mentioned above. With all of these ancestors to talk to today there was no time left to search for Friedensaal's so I will save that for yet another day. I am sure the knowledge that it is in Glen Rock will make it easy to find. Let's just hope my ancestors and my friends on the list guide me to yet another rewarding day of exploration when I return to discover what awaits me at Friedensaal's. There now! I feel like I took all of you along on the journey. Hope you enjoyed the trip--the leaves were beautiful too. Joan Myers Young

Friendensaal's- From the corner of Main St. and Church St. in Seven Valleys, head west up the hill on Main St. It becomes Yellow Church Road. Friedensaal's is also known as the White Church, so turn left off of Yellow Church Road onto White Church Road about 2 miles out of Seven Valleys. The Church will be on the left. Strayer's- From the corner of Canal St. and Carlisle Road in Dover, head west on Canal St. about a mile and a half. Salem Church will be on your right and the cemetery is just past it also on the right. Don ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

YOU CAN GET THIS RECEIPE BY EMAILING ME.....

THIS STORY IS NOT TRUE. YOU CAN VISIT ANY NEIMAN MARCUS AND GET A FREE COOKIE RECEIPE, OR YOU CAN VISIT THE NEIMAN MARCUS WEB SITE AND GET A FREE COOKIE RECEIPT. REPEAT - - THIS IS NOT A TRUE STORY!!!!!

Does anyone know if this cemetery has been transcribed, & how to get a copy of it? Or where to get information from the cemetery? Thanks, Karen ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Similar story used to go around about the Red Velvet Cake (the one that uses an entire bottle of red food coloring) that supposedly came from a big hotel (possibly Waldorf Astoria.) Cake's good though.

I looked for the recipe for that and could never find it! Teri > Similar story used to go around about the Red Velvet Cake (the one that > uses an entire bottle of red food coloring) that supposedly came from a big > hotel (possibly Waldorf Astoria.) > Cake's good though. Terry (Phil 4:13) Teri (Ps 37:5) pastor751@greenapple.com http://www.greenapple.com/~pastor751 New October feature page - CIVIL WAR http://www.rootsweb.com/~mtwheatl/index.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnisanti/Isanti/ ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

OmahaMom wrote Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:53:22 -0400 (EDT): > Similar story used to go around about the Red Velvet Cake (the one that >uses an entire bottle of red food coloring) that supposedly came from a big >hotel (possibly Waldorf Astoria.) > Cake's good though. Haven't seen the Red Velvet story, but I do have the recipe from my mom. It's an "oldie", and I have it listed as Waldorf Astoria Cake. It's really yummy & moist (especially with the fluffy white frosting that "tickles" the roof of your mouth!!) -Linnea ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

Does anyone know if the surname JYERS is of German origin? Or has anyone heard of this name at all? Thanks, Elaine Mowry EDMowry@aol.com ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

Dear Judy, Geeze, here I am on this list too, and I never signed up either. Could we be the unwitting victims of the serial duplicate lister. I also found myself on a Canada.listserve.nortrhwest.com list I did not sign up for. Come on, Mr. listserv, forcing people on to your lists is only going to make them angry and will not gain you members. I advise you to unsubscribe all the 6oo some you are said to subscribed for the New York list, and who knows how many to the Canada list. Im offa here! Karla Mattila PS. Victims unite, unsubscribe to unscrupulous listserv.northwest.com lists, Now. At 04:35 PM 10/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Everyone; >Some how I got on this list by mistake can anyone tell me how to get >off. >Thank you for your help. >Judy >-- >Judy Zander, London, Ontario, Canada > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Joan - I tried to email this to you but it bounced: 'host unknown'. Joan Bretz wrote: > > once a month to visit my parents. Further, my great grandparents are > buried in Middletown. Her family was in that area since the Rev War. He > was raised there by relatives after his parents were killed. While I > haven't spent a great deal of time in the town itself, I am fairly familiar > with the cemetery.... So if you do need > information about that area or find someone buried there, let me know. > Joan - I do appreciate this offer. Right now I wouldn't know what to ask for, my greatgrandfather was something of a rolling stone and I don't know how much time he actually spent in Middletown. I don't have any sense of how big the place is and I don't want to waste your time, but if next time you are there you notice any 19th century FRANKs or SCHULTZs, if you could tell me that, maybe write them down if there are only a few (I would be very surprised if there were many FRANKs), or just tell me if there are a lot, I would appreciate it. But please don't make a special trip because I think it is probably a long shot. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Researching names: FRANK, KELLER, LUPHER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ, TAYLOR

Hello to all, I am hoping to find information regarding siblings and ancestry of Johan Peter SCHARMAN and his wife. Johan Peter, or "Peter" as he was known, was born 28 July 1778, and baptised on 2 Aug. 1778 at Cacusi or Hain's Reformed Church of Lower Heidelberg Township, Berks County. Peter's parents are listed as Johan and Catharine SCHAARMANN, and his grandfather as Johan Peter SCHAARMANN. Peter's wife was named Maria, and she was born 14 Jan. 1793. Her maiden name may have been SEITZINGER, as the 8 Sep. 1812 edition of the Reading Adler lists a marriage between a Peter SCHARMAN and Polly SEITZINGER. Peter and Maria seem to have resided in the Heidelberg Township area of Berks County for some time, and had several children. Two of their daughters married two brothers of the TEXTER family. Rebecca, born 1815, married John George TEXTER. Mary Magdaline, born 1821, married Henry TEXTER, a brother to John George. In the late 1830's it seems that the families all removed to what is now Beaver Township, Clarion County, PA. Peter and Maria SCHARMAN, George and Rebecca TEXTER, and Henry and Mary Magdaline TEXTER all settled in the Beaver Township area. I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone with information or leads to information regarding my SCHARMAN ancestry. I do have a good deal of data on the descendants of George TEXTER and his wife Rebecca SCHARMAN, as they are my ancestors. I will gladly share with anyone interested! Thank you, Todd Walker (TCwalk413@aol.com) ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Please don't suggest we send money to anyone based on what you read on the internet. I hope you weren't serious. There are lots of "Urban Myths" out there, and unless you have personal knowledge of the accuracy of a story, be incredibly cautious about what you belive! Sandra bigband@oceana.net ---------- > From: EllieSS@aol.com > To: bottorff@polarnet.com; PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Expensive Cookie Recipe > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 10:12 AM > > Why not ask everyone to send you $1.00 for the cookie recipe? I'd be willing, > how about the others.. perhaps you could re-coop some of your $$$ .... > <smile> hang in there... they aren't worth it... Give me your snail mail > address, I'll help!!! EllieSS@aol.com

Lately I have been thinking more and more often of the old joke about the drunk who has lost his keys and is assiduously searching for them under a streetlight. Someone asks him where he lost them, and he says, "Oh, up there in the next block." "So why are you searching here?" "Because the light is better here." On the net I search and I surf and it is great but really, what percentage of the census, of the Civil War regiments are actually on the net? What are the odds? But I live in North Carolina, I really can't go rummaging around in courthouses in Pennsylvania, not unless I know much more specifically what I am searching for. And yes, one can send for things, but often it seems to me that to send for something, to fill in the form, you have to already know what you are trying to find out. You can't get there from here. But not being that sure what the alternatives are, and not finding them very compelling or attractive as ways to spend time, and because the computer, like Mount Everest, is THERE, I surf and search some more. Now LUPHER is a rare name; there just aren't too many LUPHERs. A Yahoo search for LUPHERs a couple of weeks ago only yields a couple of websites. One of them belongs to a 12 year old kid. It says he is a Civil War buff. Now there is a family story about greatgrandmother LUPHER and the famous abolitionist John Brown. So I write the kid and I tell the story, although I think its authenticity is dubious. What do I have to lose, maybe I can catch his interest. A few days pass. The kid answers, it turns out he is out in Washington State, and his father told him there were a lot of LUPHERs in Pennsylvania but he doesn't know much. Suggests I email his father, provides his address. This sounds like a time-wasting runaround so I don't give it much of a priority but after a few more days I email his father. Today his father answers, and I am sure you know the denoument: He has greatgrandmother Rosetta but all he knows is when she was born (and, crucially, who to). He also has ALL the direct-line LUPHERs back to one Hans Jacob LUPHER, born in Switzerland in 1725 and getting off a ship, and he knows what ship, in Philadelphia in 1752 !!!!! Can you believe I am now four generations further back than I was five hours ago? A century. He got off the ship 99 years before greatgrandma Lupher was born. My relationship to this new cousin is that we share a ggggrandfather (how I have been wanting to write those g's when I see other people write them!) He also has a cousin who he says knows 'much more' about the PA Luphers and I should contact him, and another cousin who knows about the ones who went West in the late 19th century, and I should contact her. Now if I could just do this with the others, but I don't really think this sort of thing will work with a name like FRANK or KELLER, there are just too many of them. But you never know, so I will have to surf some more. I'm not sure I know what the moral is but this time the computer worked. Are all genealogists manic-depressives? -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Researching names: FRANK, KELLER, LUPHER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ, TAYLOR ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

I am searching for information regarding ancestry of Samuel SHIRAY. The surname apparently has been spelled many different ways, including SHIREY (the most common I've seen), SHERER, SHEURE, SCHEURE, and others. Samuel, said to be a son of John and Elizabeth SHIRAY, was born 26 Nov. 1804, possibly in Berks County. About 1827 he married Sarah JOHNSON (born 20 March 1808), and in 1832 removed to what is now Richland Township, Clarion County, PA. If anyone has any information regarding Samuel SHIRAY and Sarah JOHNSON, I would greatly appreciate hearing from them. I have much to share! Thanks again, Todd Walker (TCwalk413@aol.com)

Hello to everyone on the list! I am searching for information regarding siblings and ancestry of Samuel FRENCH. He was born circa 1806, possibly in Berks County. On 28 Oct. 1832 in Berks Co. he married Martha Belle SASSAMAN who was born 3 Dec. 1815, a daughter of Henry SASSAMAN and Elizabeth BOYER. Some time between 1832 and 1840 Samuel moved his family to what is now Richland Township, Clarion County, PA., and worked his trade as a saddle maker. If anyone has any information about Samuel FRENCH, his siblings and ancestry, I would be glad to hear from them. I have much to share regarding his descendants. Thank you, Todd Walker (TCwalk413@aol.com) ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

Why not ask everyone to send you $1.00 for the cookie recipe? I'd be willing, how about the others.. perhaps you could re-coop some of your $$$ .... <smile> hang in there... they aren't worth it... Give me your snail mail address, I'll help!!! EllieSS@aol.com

The story keeps coming back about every 2 years, and it's truth is very much in doubt. But if you LOVE COOKIES, TRY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But cut the recipe in half unless you have a LARGE HEAVY DUTY MIXER. GORDON ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html