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    1. part 5-jacobs
    2. the lists of soldiers- "from Queensbury: John Conrad Weiser, Captain; Christian Haber, Andreas Bergman, Johannis Feeg*, Mattheus Kuntz, Mattheus Reinbolt, Joh. Peter Dopff, John Jacob Reisch*, Carl Nehr, Heinrich Jung, Hen. Hoffman, Werner Deichert, George Mueller, Fred. Bellenger, Hen. Widerwachs, George Mathias, Christo. Hagedorn, Frantz Finck, Andreas Schurtz, Peter Hagedorn, Niclaus Weber, Wm. George, Lieut., Fred. Schaffer, Anth. Icard, John Peter Sein, John Jacob Munsinger, Johan Leyer, Jacob Kuhn, Hen. Mathous, Nicklaus Eckard, Martin Dilleback, Niclaus Feller, Jacob Schnell, Jacob Webber, William Nelles, Johannis Kisler, Geo. Breigel, Joh. Schaffer, Geo. Dachstader, Johannes Zaysdorf. >From Haybury: John Christopher Fucks, John Wm. Daies, John Wm. Schaff, Christian Bauch, Peter Hayd, Henr. Hammer, Mich. Ittich, Johan. Kyser, Jacob Cup, Paulus Dientzer, Melch. Foltz, John Segendorf, Philip Laux, Abraham Langen, Jno. Jacob Schultz, Joh. Wm. Hambuch, Niclaus Laux, Niclaus Gottel Paulus Reitchoff. >From Annesburg: Hartmann Weindecker, Captain. Joh. Wm. Dill, Peter Speis, Herman Bitzer, Johannes Schue, John Wm. Schneider, Jacob Bast, Johannes Blass, Johann Wm. Kammer, Joh. Bonroth, Johannes Benhard, Sebastian Fischer, Niclaus Hayd, Heinrich Klein, Ben. Balt. Stuper, Casper Rauch, Hans Hen. Zeller, Johannes Zeller, Samuel Kuhn, Gerhard Schaffer, Ulrich Bruckhart, Jacob Ess, Frederick Winter, Joh. George Reiffenberg, John Wm. Linck, Jno. Martin Netzbach, Johannes Weis, Jno. Adam Walborn*, Jno Henry Arendorf, Danl. Busch, Jno. Henry Conradt, Hen. Bellinger, Johan Schneider, Marcus Bellinger, Phil. Schaffer, Johan. Kradt, Christ. Sittenich, Jno. Henry Schmidt, Jno. Philip Zerbe, Niclaus Ruhl, Adam Mic. Schmidt, Conrad Maisinger, Thos. Ruffener, Jacob Dings, Henrick Fehling, Joh. Jost Petry, Lud. W. Schmidt. >From Hunterstown: Jno. Peter Kneskern, Captain. David Huppert, Conrad Schawerman, Heinrick Sex, Frederick Bell, Jacob Kobell, Jacob Warno, Johannes Schulteis, Reinhard Schaffer, Johannes Roschman, Garl Uhl, Baltz Anspach*, Conrad Keller, Jno. George Schmidt, Conrad Goldman, Geo. Bender, Jno. Henry Uhl, Tho. Schumacher, Peter Schmidt, Johan. Schwall, Geo. Ludwig Koch, Veil Musig, Geo. Keschner, Chris. Hills, Rudol. Stahl. These lists are composed entirely of residents of the villages on the East side of the Hudson. There must have been troops also from the three villages on the west side. "But the confidence of the Governor was not won by this service, and when the campaign was over they were disarmed, under the apprehension that they might turn their arms against the province, 'They have since used some artifices' writes the Governor, 'and made some false alarms in order yo induce me to restore arms; but to no purpose. They are planted where they are covered in every way.' A regiment of troops is asked for to garrison the country in the neighborhood of the Palatines, to keep them to their duty. With nothing to encourage them in their labor, we can readily appreciate Hunter's complaint that, except by resorting to force, it was hard to keep them at work. When, however, he adopted a more conciliatory method, and offered them one-half of the proceeds, the expedient proved successful. But the Governor was impoverished, and was at last compelled to inform them that, during the winter of 1712-13, they must rely upon their own resources for support. 'I had no remedy left,' he writes, 'but to intimate to that people, that they should take measures to subsist themselves during this winter upon the land where they were planted, and such as could not, might find it by working with the inhabitants, leaving with the commissaries their names and the names of the places or landlords where they are employed during that time, that they may be in readiness upon the first public notice, given, to return to work.' Thus the contract was broken on the side of the Governor. The tidings struck consternation into the Palatines. Winter was just at hand. Starvation was imminent. Something had to be done at once, or they were lost. Thrown upon their own resources, the more enterprising among them proceeded to provide for themselves in a way Hunter had not anticipated. True to the German instinct to go to the first sources, they determined, without the intervention of a third party, like Livingstone, to deal directly with the first proprietors of the soil, the Indians. They recalled the fact that several Indian chiefs, who had visited England, while they were encamped in London, had presented Queen Anne with a tract of ground, near Schoharie for their use. A delegation headed by the elder Weiser was sent accordingly to the Indians to state their extremity, and to ask permission for them to settle on the lands that had been donated. the Indians acted in good faith. In less than two weeks after the return of the delegation, fifty families moved to the Schoharie, by way of Schenectedy, constructing over a portion of the way fifteen miles of roadway through the forests. reaching their destination they found a prohibition from the Governor awaiting them, accompanied with the threat that, unless they would return they would be treated as rebels. No alternative was in their power but to remain and take the consequences. Note: This info can be found reprinted in "German Immigration-The First Wave" edited by Don Heinrich Tolzmann. The information of this second serial that is contained in the Tolzmann book is a reprint of a presentation made to the Pennsylvania German Society in 1897 by Henry Eyster Jacobs. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

    10/13/1997 07:09:15
    1. BATDORF
    2. Nancy Robinson
    3. Hello fellow family researchers, I am interested in obtaining information on the parents/children's families,etc for Jacob " Jake" BATDORF. He was born 1817 in Pennsylvania. He married (probably in Hamilton County, OH) Lydia WILLIAMS who was born 1816 in Ohio (probably Hamilton County). She was the sister of my great great grandfather (John WILLIAMS). From the 1850 Federal Census I have this list of children for Jacob and Lydia: John - born 1838 OH (Probably Hamilton CO) Margaret E. - born 1840 IN (Probably Henry CO) William - born 1842 IN " Jacob - born 1844 IN " Barton B. (Burton in 1860 census) - born 1846 IN (Probably Henry CO) Maria - born 1848 IN " Even tho this is not a direct line of ancestory for me I am interested in information on all family members. I am especially interested in locating living relatives of any children of Jacob and Lydia. I have information on the WILLIAMS line connected to this BATDORF family and I will be happy to share anything I have. Nancy Robinson nan@netins.net ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

    10/13/1997 02:10:00
    1. BAUGHMAN FAMILY
    2. Hello Baughman/Bachman Researchers: Possibility found some new information. I finally found a DENNIS BAUGHMAN. This is what I found. Can anyone elaborate on this? Donald BAUGHMAN married Myrtle Irene PENLAND/PENTLAND Children: Dennis Eugene Baughman Leonard Wayne Baughman I have no dates, no times, no locations. I still do not know if this is my Dennis. Please double check all of your BAUGHMAN names, and please see if any of these people are listed. Will search for my elusive Dennis till I drop. Paynefully yours, Genny Baughman Payne

    10/12/1997 10:04:47
    1. Re: PENNA-DUTCH-D Digest V97 #191
    2. How true you are, there is a Peach Botton along the Susquehanna River in Fulton Twp, Lancaster Co, PA In 1900: 1. Peach Bottom Station population 200 in Fulton Twp, Lancaster Co 2. Peach Botton population 150 in Peach Bottom Twp, York Co, PA [No longer exists] The townships remains. The Peach Bottom Neuclear Power Plant is here. Regards, Gene Smith Pasadena, CA - ---------------------------- In a message dated 97-10-12 21:10:48 EDT, you write: << Yes, Peach Bottom is on the map in southern York Co PA. but there is a Peach Bottom post office in southern Lancaster Co PA, ZIP 17563. Grace Evans Lancaster PA >> ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

    10/12/1997 08:53:51
    1. Re: PENNA-DUTCH-D Digest V97 #190
    2. In a message dated 97-10-11 20:53:34 EDT, Karen wrote: << Does anyone know if this cemetery has been transcribed, & how to get a copy of it? Or where to get information from the cemetery? >> Bob & Mary Closson published :Lancaster County, PA Cemetery Surname Index" 1988, Closson Press, 1935 Sampson Dr, Apollo, PA 15613 Which has Good's Menn and Good's Cemetery, both in Conoy Twp. In the forward " Closson Press offers a research service whereby they extract and type up a cemetery report by surname of all cemeteries...$5.00 min..." Regards, Gene Smith Pasadena, CA ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

    10/12/1997 07:01:23
    1. Michael Batdorf
    2. M. Kelley
    3. Rod, Could you please go over the following then post your view of it? I'd appreciate any clarity you can offer. Mary Kelley <mkelley@cio.net> ------------------------- MICHAEL7 BATDORF (HERMANUS6, JOHANNES MARTIN5, JOHANNES JACOB PETER4, JOHANNES3, JOHANNES2, JOHANNES JACOB1) was born 25 January 1754 prob in Heidelberg T, Berks, PA. He married CATARINA EMMERICH 13 March 1778 in , Berks, PA. ------------------- {Previous notation on marriage of Michael s/o Hermanus Batdorf.} MARRIAGE: Anna Margaretha Boehmer/Rohrer, "The Reed Family" by W. H. Reed. {Recent notations on marriage(s) of Michael s/o Hermanus Bartdorf.} MARRIAGE: Catarina Emmerich, 13 Mar 1778, the "Pastoral Records of John Casper Stoever", "Berks Co., Pennsylvania, Church Records of the 18th Century, Vol. 4" by F. Edward Wright. INDIVIDUAL NOTES: There were various baptism and sponsor records for Michael and Catharine up until 1799, "Pastoral Records of John Casper Stoever", "Berks Co., Pennsylvania, Church Records of the 18th Century, Vol. 4" by F. Edward Wright. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

    10/12/1997 02:58:13
    1. Re: Good's Mennonite Cemetery, Lanc co
    2. In a message dated 97-10-10 19:33:36 EDT, you write: << Does anyone know if this cemetery has been transcribed, & how to get a copy of it? Or where to get information from the cemetery? Thanks, Karen >> Try the historical society for that area or: http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid/memorial.html Good luck! Laura ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

    10/12/1997 11:56:04
    1. Re: Gravestone expertise !CAUTION!
    2. On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:14:18 -0400 (EDT), JABandMcB@aol.com wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Sorry to take so long to......... >I finally received the information from the Association for Gravestone >Studies, both a Primer on Graveyard Preservation > and advise directed at my specific problem, lichen and moss. > >To summarize: > >Start the cleaning .......... mix 1 >cup of HTH (a product name for calcium hypochlorite - the same stuff used in >swimming pools-it is a biocide) into a gallon of hot water to get the >granular HTH into solution.................. following the application of HTH solution. This stuff >smells like >bleach but it is not bleach! DO NOT USE BLEACH. DO NOT USE OTHER COMMON >CLEANERS. > THIS POSTING IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! calcium hypochlorite is not a biocide it is a powerful OXIDIZER. It kills swimming pool algae by "burning" it up. calcium hypochlorite mixed with water is Bleach, Just look on a bleach bottle. Household bleach is about 3 to 4 percent available chlorine, HTH is about 65 percent available chlorine. The formula of 1cup per gal. is equal to 8 oz to 128 oz. 8 divided by 128 = 6%, as the HTH is about 65% 6% times 65% = 3.9% In other words the formula is equal to bleach right out of the bottle. For the cautionary statements and warnings read a bleach bottle. As for grave stones maybe it's safe maybe it's not. But it WILL cause rapid oxidation of any materials that it contacts which are susceptible to oxidation. Including any iron fittings or decorations that may be present on the markers. Dan ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

    10/12/1997 10:23:16
    1. Re: York Co Lutheran Cem/Ch-Correction
    2. Joan Gustafson
    3. dnj@netins.net .I meant to type - 1831-1845 era> > Can someone direct me to a list of Lutheran Churches and Cemeteries in York > Co PA that would have been during the 1931-1845 era. > > Any Information appreciated. > > Joan ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

    10/12/1997 07:31:23
    1. Surnames
    2. Seek information on Gleitz/Clites/Klitz, Poffenberger, Haber, Schamel, George, Ackerman, Lantz. All these families lived in Lancaster, Franklin and Berks Counties, Pa and Washington and Cumberland Counties in Maryland. Happy to share any information I have. Thanks for any help. Ruth ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

    10/12/1997 02:19:05
    1. RE: peach bottom
    2. MRS GRACE W EVANS
    3. -- [ From: Grace Evans * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Expanded recipient data: To: Gsmithsan@aol.com \ America On-Line: (GSmithsan) Yes, Peach Bottom is on the map in southern York Co PA. but there is a Peach Bottom post office in southern Lancaster Co PA, ZIP 17563. Grace Evans Lancaster PA -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Saturday, 11-Oct-97 01:51 PM > > From: Gsmithsan@aol.com \ America On-Line: (GSmithsan) > To: Pa Dutch \ Internet: (penna-dutch-l@rootsweb. com) > > Subject: RE: peach bottom > > Please note that Peach Bottom is in York County not Lancaster Co, PA. It was > formed in 1815 from Fawn Twp and never was in Lancaster Co before the split to > form York Co. > > Regards, Gene Smith > Pasadena, CA > > PS There is a Pear Blossom, CA (north of L.A.) > > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message > to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- -- Grace Evans mnjs13a@prodigy.com Lancaster PA

    10/11/1997 11:14:44
    1. Sassaman Family
    2. In a message dated 97-10-06 09:54:22 EDT, you write: << rom: "dalice" <dalice@ccomm.com> To: <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Message-Id: <199710052055.NAA10216@bl-4.rootsweb.com> Subject: SASSAMAN, Berks Co. << Looking for death date of Eden R. SASSAMAN, born 1861 at Boyertown, Berks County. >> Looking for any descendants of Jacob SASSAMAN and Rebecca LINSENBIGLER, b. 1799, New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA. Children were: Priscilla Sassaman Carolina " Elizabeth Ann " Samuel Heinrich " Also, all you Sassaman researchers out there, there is a pretty extensive chapter on the SASSAMAN family printed in one of the old Perkiomen Journals. It may be available on microfilm. MarilynT Researching: BINDER, ECKERT, ERNE, ESHELMAN, FORNEY, GROFF, GUTHARDT, JACK(s), KRICK, LINSENBIGLER, REMP, RUFFENER, SCHLONECKER, SMITH/SCHMIDT, SPOHN, STEFFY, STOUDEN, WAGNER, WHITEHEAD, CARPENTER/ZIMMERMAN

    10/11/1997 05:56:55
    1. Re: Cookie or Red Velvet Cake
    2. Linnea Miller
    3. Okay, had many responses for this recipe!! Waldorf Astoria Red Cake 1/2-c shortening 1/2-tsp salt 1-1/2-c sugar 1-c buttermilk 2 eggs 2-1/4-c flour 2-oz red food coloring 1-tsp soda (that's baking soda!) 1 tsp vanilla 1-tsp vinegar 2-TBSP cocoa Cream shortening, sugar & eggs. Add the rest & mix. Fold in vinegar last. Bake 350-degrees in 2-8" pans. Icing Mix 1-c milk, 5-TBSP flour. Cook on medium heat until thick. Beat until smooth. Cool. Add 1-c sugar, 1-c shortening, 1-tsp vanilla, dash of salt. Beat until it forms stiff peaks. Add 1/2-c 10X sugar, if necessary (if not thick enough.) ------------ Now that I got this recipe out, guess I'll have to do some baking!!! -Linnea ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

    10/11/1997 04:50:56
    1. Re: Pearblossom
    2. Lorraine Frantz Edwards
    3. GSmithsan@aol.com wrote: > > Please note that Peach Bottom is in York County not Lancaster Co, PA. It was > formed in 1815 from Fawn Twp and never was in Lancaster Co before the split > to form York Co. > > Regards, Gene Smith > Pasadena, CA > > PS There is a Pear Blossom, CA (north of L.A.) > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ========================== Greetings, In Los Angeles County, California, it is spelled Pearblossom (all one word). It is near Littlerock (all one word). Both are a little bit east of Palmdale (where many, many aircraft have been built for decades). A bit south of Edwards Air Force Base. I live in nearby Lancaster. I wish I lived in Lancaster, PA -- rather than Lancaster, CA -- closer to the research sources for my ancestors. Lorraine Frantz Edwards ledwards@qnet.com http://www.av.qnet.com/~ledwards

    10/11/1997 02:38:15
    1. RE: peach bottom
    2. Please note that Peach Bottom is in York County not Lancaster Co, PA. It was formed in 1815 from Fawn Twp and never was in Lancaster Co before the split to form York Co. Regards, Gene Smith Pasadena, CA PS There is a Pear Blossom, CA (north of L.A.) ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

    10/11/1997 11:34:16
    1. Re: Good's Mennonite Cemetery, Lanc co
    2. In a message dated 97-10-10 19:33:40 EDT, you write: << Subj: Good's Mennonite Cemetery, Lanc co Date: 97-10-10 19:33:40 EDT From: OmahaMom@aol.com Resent-from: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com To: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Does anyone know if this cemetery has been transcribed, & how to get a copy of it? Or where to get information from the cemetery? Thanks, Karen >> LMHS has a wealth of area cemetery transcriptions and will for fee, make and send copies. Does anyone know if they have some sort of index available? rod

    10/11/1997 08:13:47
    1. Re: GROFF
    2. lisa, I checked both of my Groff books and find no Adam Mowery listed. Barbara Groff is a very common name. Perhaps if you find more specifics I can locate her or her parents in my stuff, but at present have nothing useful to pass on. rod

    10/11/1997 07:44:41
    1. Part4-jacobs
    2. Now that the ships have arrived the next few in the series will detail some of the events surrounding the NY immigrants, some of whom, as earlier stated became the settlers of the Tulpehocken and are ancestors of quite a few of us on the list. The info is from a book called "German Immigration to America:The First Wave" edited by Don Heinrich Tolzmann. The substance of the book is from presentations to the PA. German Society by Henry Eyster Jacobs and Dr. Frank Diffenderfer. note: I can only assume that the absurd number of commas in the foregoing and following is because these were originally oral presentations and by transcription has included all of these commas as breathing or style pauses. IN NEW YORK " On landing at New York, they were sent to Nuttal's, now Governor's Island, then the quarantine station, to be nursed and recruited for still further trials. To lessen the burden of providing for them, the children fit for service were bound out, an expedient which, however justifiable, separated families in distress, as the hand of death had already fallen heavily upon them, and practically enslaved some who in Germany had been reared in homes that had never known want. Meanwhile Hunter proceeded to the execution of his visionary schemes that he had projected in England. His plans for accumulating extensive revenues thriugh the services of the Palatines were as unpractical as Braddock's subsequent military campaigns against the Indians. The responsibility for the care of the immigrants lay upon him. When the appropriations, made upon his estimate of necessities, were exhausted, he did not hesitate to devote his private resources to the support of the people, and soon found them insufficient. The Palatines, on the other hand, finding the promises made them unfulfilled, and understanding, for the first time, the full meaning of the pledge they had made in England, regarded him as their enemy and defrauder. To add to these perplexities, the Provincial Council of New York disputed the right of the Crown to pay Hunter's salary from the income of the Province. Some sympathy must be felt for a man thus in the center of a triangular fire, especially in the extremity in which he wrote, four years later, to the Lord High Treasurer of England, that he must continue to throw himself at His Lordship's feet, until he kicked him away, and must beg for one-fourth of the Palatine's debts to stop the mouths of the clamorous creditors. "In one year according to Hunter's reckoning, the Palatines should have been able to subsist themselves, and, after that, a prompt return was to be made for the amount that the Government had expended for their transportation and maintenance. In the autumn of 1710, some 1,500 were, therefore, taken up the Hudson to the lands of robert Livingstone, from whom 6,000 acres were at once purchased for 266 English pounds sterling, while 800 additional acres were purchased the following spring, and 6,333 acres, on the other side of the Hudson, were also utilized. On the eastern side, three towns were laid out, the entire district being known as East Camp; while the two towns on the west side constituted West Camp. Each family was provided a lot forty feet front and fifty feet deep. An additional village soon sprang up on each side. large pine forests were in the immediate vicinity. When all were quartered, the Lords of the Treasury received rose-colored reports from Hunter. 'The great project,' he wrote, 'could not fail of success. 15,000 pounds a year for the next two years, would do the work effectually. Her Majesty might depend upon tar enough for her navy from the colonies; for there was pitch pine enough, if the number of hands was employed, to serve all Europe.' But the Board of Trade was not satisfied. Mr DuPre, the Commissary, was summoned before them and examined, as to why the Governor wanted subsistance for the Palatines for more than one year, as at first propopsed. then came out the stern facts 'that the first year may be looked upon as lost, because of the usual hard weather prevailing there in the winter; and that, in the second year, the time would be insufficient to clear the ground and to raise enough grain for their subsistence, and in the third year, a great portion of their labor would be devoted to preparing the trees for the manufacture of tar.' The prospect became still darker when more was learned of the process of the manufacture. For two years, the trees had to be treated before being available for the purpose. Finland tar, the best in the market, it was discovered, was selling for four shillings a barrel, one-half of the price upon which Governor Hunter ahd calculated, when estimating the money productivity of the Palatines. But Hunter hoped against hope. He would not admit his mistake. Even in 1712, he writes most encouragingly of the progress made, and that 100,000 trees were ready to be cut for tar. His one difficulty, he complains, is that of bearing alone the heavy pecuniary responsibility imposed upon him. He had gone on, he says, laying out all the money he and his friends were masters of, for subsistance and employing that people, but had not heard that any of his bills were repaid. He had reaped but nothing but fatigue, torture and trouble, and the pleasure of surmounted opposition and difficulties next to insurmountable. there was no revenue to support his government, the frontiers were exposed, and the 'Indians, though but a handful, were saucy, while the officers of the Government were all a starving.' " The man who profited by the transaction seems to have been Livingstone. The Earl of Clarendon describes him as "a very ill man," who had practiced extensive frauds on the Government, and laments that Hunter has fallen into his hands. Reference to the commission of Capt. Kidd shows that the partner with Lord Bellamont in sending Kidd out as privateer was 'Robert Livingstone, Esq.' The Palatines were indignant that, without consulting them, Hunter should make with Livingstone terms, according to which they were ultimately to pay the latter. The great mistake of the English Government throughout, had been, that it dealt with these people en masse, or as a community, and not as individuals; and, that in its measures for their relief, instead of treating them as impoverished freemen, it virtually enslaved them. An assertion of their rights was inevitable. Not unwilling to work, and ready, upon equitable terms, to repay all that had been expended for them, they asked only that each individual should receive rewards of his own toil. having taken the Oath of allegiance,(**note: we seem to never think of the English aspect of our heritage. True, it was political rather than cultural, but many of us have ancestral lines which were English citizens for 65 years or so, In some cases of Swiss ancestry, they were longer, citizens of England than of Germany) they endeavored to conduct themselves as loyal law-abiding citizens, as their cheerful participation in the expedition against Montreal in 1711 under General Nicholson, and their subsequent response to the appeal for the defense of Albany, when it was threatened by the French and Indians, testify. In the Canadian campaign, John Conrad Weiser, Hartmann Weinbecker and John Peter Kneskern were the Captains.(**note:Walborn cousins, our ancestor Johan(Hans) Adam Walborn went on this expedition). On each of these occasions, the Palatines furnished three hundred soldiers. As six hundred was the quota of New York for this expedition, although it was somewhat enlarged, the Palatine contingent distributed in the regiments of Colonels Schuyler and Ingoldsbey formed a very large proportion of the army. If Hunter's statement of the resolution of the Assembley of New York be correct, the Palatines were not treated with proper respect in the action, by which the Province proposed at first to raise as its quota 'three hundred and fifty Christians, one hundred and fifty Long Island Indians, and one hundred Palatines!' While the statement of the number furnished as three hundred is official and is mentioned by the authorities several times, the rosters that have been preserved are incomplete. But the names of the men, who, notwithstanding the injustice under which they were suffering and protesting, were ready, one year after their arrival, to respond to the call to defend their adopted country, are worthy of preservation. Among them are the ancestors of many Pennsylvania Germans." tbc

    10/11/1997 07:44:30
    1. Apology
    2. Denn Bottorff
    3. My apologies to everyone for passing along that item. Usually, I ignore these things, but I saw it on another list, and fell for the gimmick. My apologies again. Dennis

    10/10/1997 09:22:42
    1. Re: York County Cemeteries
    2. Don, thanks--as you will see from my message I just posted to the list I found Strayer's Church today and will be going back in a week or so to take on Friedensaal's. At least now I can spend my time looking for ancestors IN the cemetery and not spending most of time searching for the cemetery itself. Joan Myers Young

    10/10/1997 07:57:48