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Hi, I have a Sarah BOUCHTER who married before 1784 to Abraham COURTRIGHT. In the 1790 census I find: 1790 Census: Berks Co. - Daniel Boutcher 4 m over 16 3 f Philadelphia Co. Northern Dist - Isaac Boutcher l m over 16 2 f and, I have found the following brief information on this surname: FIRST EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH RECORDS: JOHN HORNBERGER (of York Co.) married MARY ANN BOUCHTER (of Ege's Forge) 13 Jun 1833. The First Evangelical Lutheran Church is located in Carlisle, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. So, then I started looking for Ege's Forge, as that is where this BOUCHTER was from. I found: "Pennsylvania Writers' Guide" (part of the Work Projects Administration, published in 1940): "WOMELSDORF (Berks County), founded by Germans in 1723...a quiet town with two textile mills, a brickyard, and large farming interests. Right in Womelsdorf on Water St., and L. at 1.8 miles to the Site of Charming Forge, 2.6 miles, marked by a granite boulder. No trace remains of the forge set up in 1747, and operated for a time by Baron Stiegel. A two-and-a-half story field stone structure, the Charming Forge Sitting Mill, was erected in 1775 by George EGE. Hessian prisoners were employed here to cut a 250-foot channel through solid rock to supply the slitting mill with water power." Looking at a PA state highway map, it looks like Womelsdorf is about 15 miles west of Reading along Route 422. There is a entry in GNIS for Charming Forge (ppl=populated place) and the nearby dam: National Geographic Names Data Base State(s): PA, Pennsylvania Feature Name: Charming Forge Feature Type: ppl County Name(s): Berks Topographic Map Name: Strausstown Map Reference Code(s): 40076-D2 Geographic Coordinates: 402322N0761021W Elevation: 338 ---------------- Feature Name: Old Charming Forge Dam Feature Type: dam County Name(s): Berks Topographic Map Name: Strausstown Map Reference Code(s): 40076-D2 Geographic Coordinates: 402312N0761018W Note that the above gives it in Berks Co, and the Church records are in Cumberland Co. Was Berks Co earlier part of Cumberland? I have been told that BOUCHTER = BOUGHER as an English translated name. I do not know the origin of the name. I was told at one time by someone it was Swiss(German or French???). I have been told recently it could not be French by a French teacher. So I have NO IDEA. I know there are others researching this name, but I cannot get into contact with them. The only way I have been able to is thru someone who knew they were researching this name and they asked them, and they replied thru her. They do not want to correspond with me. By the Way, my Abraham COURTRIGHT(son of Elisha COURTRIGHT and Alide Huldah DINGMAN) was living in Salem Twp, Luzerne Co, PA. Sarah survived him, she is listed as his "beloved wife" in his will. I come thru their youngest son Joseph Courtright who married Lydia KLINETOP/B, dau of Christopher KLINETOP/B and Margriet VARNER/WARNER--also spelled with an E. Christopher/Christophel was b in Germany somewhere, came on ship PATIENCE 1753, settled in Moore Twp, Northampton Co, PA then aft 1800, moved to Salem twp, Luzerne Co, PA and are buried there. Lydia was youngest child. I look forward to hearing from you. YOU WROTE------ >X-Message: #9 >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:10:04 -0700 >From: RICH & KATHY CLEVELAND <rclevela@pacbell.net> >Subject: GERMAN NAMES > >Could someone give some information on any of these names? Are they all >of German origin? Are there different ways of spelling them? --snip-- BOUGHER (Booher). >I cannot seem to find any family for my families. My Fultz's were in Kansas >>around the turn of the century. Graham's from PA>MN>SD. Klinginsmith in MO, >married a Bougher from IA. I can't seem to find any one they belong to. >Thank You, Kathy >rclevela@pacbell.net Sincerely Carolyn Leverich Atkinson / email: catkinsn@ecity.net 1602 York /In replying send copy of our correspondence. Des Moines, IA 50316 Provider has occasional bouncing problems, please resend later/next day. __________________________________________________ To join the JACKSON/CLAY/OVERTON CO, TN List, email catkinsn@ecity.net with JACKSON/CLAY/OVERTON CO, TN in subject. ___________________________________________________

As the old saying goes, you can't keep a good person down. Even though Vee is temporarily unsubscribed from the PD list, she hasn't stopped reminiscing and writing. She asked me to share this with her many friends on the PD list. Dick Vee L. Housman wrote: > > ME, DADDY, MOTHER, AND NORMA > October 17, 1997 > > Today I treated my sister Norma to lunch, especially because tomorrow > she will be leaving for the Washington, DC, area to live in the vicinity > of our brother John. During our conversation at lunch we talked over a > few necessary things that we felt we needed to tell each other about our > plans, the future and such. One of the things Norma told me was the > arrangements she had formally made for our eventual burials at the > Churchville Cemetery in Oberlin, Dauphin County, PA. We had talked > about it before, but today she showed me the precise arrangement of our > graves: me, Daddy, Mother and then Norma. We joked at the > arrangement--me and Daddy (the smoking section); Mother and Norma (the > non-smoking section)! > > Now, neither of us in our wildest dreams would have ever imagined that > we would eventually end up buried in the same cemetery plot as Mother > and Daddy. I have been married (and divorced) twice, she was married > and is now divorced also. If either of us had ever made such advance > plans for burial plots, we certainly couldn’t have visualized such close > proximity to Mother and Daddy! > > But today we talked about such plans (among others), had a nice > comfortable lunch together, and reminisced about all of our exciting > adventures together in our travels in search of our family roots. We > hadn’t done that in a very long time. In fact, we haven’t been very > close for a number of years. I dropped her back at her house to leave > her with her last-minute packing up, gave her a sincere hug and sincere > wishes, ”Have a good trip and have a good life!” She responded in kind. > > Later, I thought of our brief time together today and very late this > evening, as I thought back on our conversation, I knew that I had to > remind her of one very important thing. And that had to do with “our” > cemetery plot with Mother and Daddy. I woke her up with my phone call > to let her know that if she should get the opportunity to talk with the > custodian of the Churchville Cemetery, she should let him know that if > any veterans organizations would be putting up markers on grave sites in > the future, that they should be aware that both Norma and I served on > active duty in the US Navy--she during the Korean War and I during > Vietnam. > > I ended my conversation with her with a surprising realization. And > that is, that of all of the cemeteries we have visited and all of the > family plots we have stood over and all of the markers we have seen over > our ancestor’s graves for their military service, eventually OUR family > plot will have two markers over them--in recognition of my SISTER and ME > for the years that we, too, served in the defense of our country! > > Now, how’s that for being the first in your family’s long history for > such a cemetery plot!!! > > vee ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Hi (and HELP!), I am still trying to get information on MATHIAS HENNING who has been found in the Jonestown area (East Hanover Twp.) of Lebanon Co., PA (earlier in Lancaster & Dauphin counties) in the references below. I am interested in knowing more about Mathias himself, his children, or any siblings or descendents he might have had. Please notice related names in this post [SCHERBLIN/SCHAUBLIN, NEFF, SEBOLT, WOLFERSBERGER, GLONINGER, STONE, MEILY, LOESCH/LESH] and if you have info about them that might tie to Mathias, please let me know. Mathias's father was John Jacob Henning, d. 1769; mother Elizabeth, d. 1755-1759 (2nd wife of Jacob: Anna Maria (Mary) Loesch/Lesh). John Jacob's father was probably Thomas HENNING/HONING, d. 1749 in Lancaster Co. (wife Barbara). The info I have on Mathias is as follows: 1773 Jan 15 daughter Barbara born to Mathias HENNING and wife Barbara; bapt. 1 Mar 1773; spon Barbara SCHERBLIN [SCHAUBLIN] (Swatara Church Record; Bethel Twp.) ***** 1776 Jul 19 daughter Maria Catharine born to Mathias HENNING and wife Anna Barbara; bapt. 26 Oct 1776; spon Jacob NEFF and wife Margaret (Swatara Church Record; Bethel Twp.) ***** 1789 HENNING, Mathias; wife Margaret, widow of Michael SEBOLT (Early Marriage Evidence from the Court Records of Dauphin Co. PA (including Lebanon Co.) ***** 1811-1827 was Justice of the Peace in Lebanon Co. ***** 1830, probably Mar., Mathias Henning died in East Hanover Twp. ***** Return of Militia Officers of the Second Battalion, Lancaster County, as they stood April 15, 1783 Lieutenant Colonel JOHN GLONINGER Fourth Company (If anyone has war records on Captain--Matthias HENNING this company, do they possibly give more info? Lieutenant--Abraham STONE I have not been able to find Ensign--Martin MEILY indication of a pension.) If anyone has ANY information on the above, I would really appreciate hearing from you. And, to those who have sent Henning info in the past, as I gather "Other/Unknown Hennings," I'm keeping an eye out for your connections. Keep in touch. Thank you, Jane Barr Torres jetorres@indiana.edu

Some of you will remember my Story a week or so ago about how I cracked the LUPHERS. I have now received the data my distant cousin inherited from his deceased uncle and while I think it is solid as far as it goes, it is really only half-cracked. Here are the basics: Hans Jacob LUPFER, b in Switzerland in 1725, reached Philadelphia in 1751 (or '52, there is some confusion no doubt from calendar change). He settled first in Berks county and later moved to Perry county. Hans Jacob LUPFER m Anna KUMBERT or CUMBER b 1732 in Hessen; they had 3 sons: Caspar 1760-1846 m Margaret REED John 1762-1826 m Margaret BARNETT Johan Jacob 1765-1838 m Magdalene BERNSHEISEL They also had several daughters: Anna Catherine, Elisabeth, Anna Magdalene, Anna Maria. I do not know what became of any of them or who they married. After the Revolution, John LUPFER moved to western PA and became my 4th greatgrandfather. A generation or two later the name had been conclusively changed to LUPHER, and much of the line had moved to Kansas and points west. His line is the one that has been cracked. Caspar is supposed to have inherited most of his father's by then substantial property in Perry county and become something of a leading citizen, donating some of the land for the town of 'West New Bloomfield' (Is there such a place?). Then what? Then I have no idea. The man who did this research was a Westerner and was only interested in the western line. Caspar and Johan Jacob simply dropped off his screen. Johan Jacob is a problem anyway. The charts I acquired give his dates as above, but one narrative says "Jacob" died young, drowned in a millrace. There is no other Jacob listed in the charts in this generation. So I don't know. There may have been another Jacob who drowned in the millrace. But if Johan Jacob indeed lived that long, he probably left descendants too. So. Does anybody know *anything* about Perry County or nearby LUPFERs? This name is rare and if you do they are *very* probably connected and I will be glad to share information. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Researching names: FRANK, KELLER, LUPHER/LUPFER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ, TAYLOR ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Can anyone tell me what an "English" Lutheran Church is/was? My ggGrandparents belonged to St. Mathews English Lutheran Church when they died in Bartholomew Co., IN. I was always told they were PA Dutch ...... so I assumed German. Does this make sense? TIA Trish Melton Wade, IN

Samuel BOWMAN 1789-1857, founder of Bowmansville, Brecknock twp., Lanc. Co. m. Elizabeth _____. Does anyone know who their children were or Elizabeth's last name? Is anyone researching Brecknock of Lancaster Co. and Berks Co. BOWMANs? These Bowmans originated in Pequa/Conestoga. Thanks rod

'In accordance, therefore, with these exceptions of the Attorney-General, there resulted the Act of 1705-6, which was in force during the entire period embraced in this paper. The recognition of the Trinity and of the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures was in no way objectionable to the great body of German immigrants, while the liberty offered from the restraints of ecclesiasticism was particularly appreciated not merely by those who were generally regarded as "sects," but by the adherents also of the Pietistic movement. The Act is as follows: 'Almighty God, being only Lord of conscience, author of all divine knowledge,faith and worship, who can only enlighten the minds and convince the understanding of people; in due reverence to His sovereignty over the souls of mankind, and the better to unite the Queen's subjects in interest and affection; Be it enacted that no person now or at any time hereafter dwelling or residing within this Province, who shall profess faith in God the father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Spirit, One God blessed forevermore, and shall acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be given by divine inspiration, and when lawfully required shall profess and declare that they will live peaceably under the constituted government, shall, in any case, be molested and predjudiced for his or her conscience persuasion, nor shall he or she be at any time compelled to frequent or maintain any religious worship, place or ministry whatever, contrary to his or her mind, but shall freely and fully enjoy his or her Christian liberty in all respects, without molestation or interruption.' Among the movements which may be ascribed to these laws guaranteeing liberty of conscience, was the Mennonite emigration to the Pequa District in Lancaster County, between 1709 and 1717-- a branch from the Germantown settlement forming the beginning, which was greatly reinforced by recruits from Switzerland and Germany secured through the mission to Europe of Martin Kendig. Dunkards and other Mennonites are said to have reached Lehigh County not much later. Even before this(1704-12), before and contemporaneously with the Palatine emigration from New York, other of their countrymen, mostly Reformed and Lutheran, can be traced filling up the Oley region, with its center in Berks, although standing in the old records for a much more extensive territory than the township of that name. So also the District in Montgomery County about the headwaters of the Perkiomen was settled by the same people before the Palatines descended the Susquehanna. The Allens and the Wisters and other land speculators in Philadelphia had found customers among those who arrived at the port, and had sold them homes in Northampton. The Palatines from New York at Tulpehocken and Quitapahilla had attracted to this country many of their relatives and friends whom they had left in Germany" tbc ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

"The efforts of Kochertal had only temporarily diverted or retarded the main stream of German emigration to Pennsylvania. It now flowed on in a strong and steady current, gathering around the nucleus formed by the Frankford Land Company, thence diffusing itself throghout the southeastern corner of the province, and after crossing the Susquehanna, sending its overflow into Maryland and the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. The details of this immigration are outside the limits of the present paper, which, according to the assignment, is simply to bring the emigrants to our borders and leave them there, for other writers to complete the work. A few facts, however, are in place. Pennsylvania, we believe, became a favoriye of German emigrants because of the religious principles embodied in its laws. These were, first the clear recognition of Christianity as the basis of government, and, secondly, the toleration granted, within certain limits for various forms of Christianity. The fact that the German emigration proceeded in clearly-marked waves, according to diverse denominations and sects, beginning with those most persecuted in Europe, and thence proceeding to those where the religious restraints in the mother country were more a matter of annoyance than of persecution, supports this opinion. 'The History of Religious Liberty in Pennsylvania' would be a fruitful theme for an entire paper. The efforts of Kochertal had only temporarily diverted or retarded the main stream of German emigration to Pennsylvania. It now flowed on in a strong and steady current, gathering around the nucleus formed by the Frankford Land Company, thence diffusing itself throghout the southeastern corner of the province, and after crossing the Susquehanna, sending its overflow into Maryland and the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. The details of this immigration are outside the limits of the present paper, which, according to the assignment, is simply to bring the emigrants to our borders and leave them there, for other writers to complete the work. A few facts, however, are in place. Pennsylvania, we believe, became a favoriye of German emigrants because of the religious principles embodied in its laws. These were, first the clear recognition of Christianity as the basis of government, and, secondly, the toleration granted, within certain limits for various forms of Christianity. The fact that the German emigration proceeded in clearly-marked waves, according to diverse denominations and sects, beginning with those most persecuted in Europe, and thence proceeding to those where the religious restraints in the mother country were more a matter of annoyance than of persecution, supports this opinion. 'The History of Religious Liberty in Pennsylvania' would be a fruitful theme for an entire paper. Penn, in the preface to his 'Frame of Laws' bases all civil government upon Divine authority as proclaimed in Holy Scriptures, and lays down principles in axiomatic form that are worthy of lasting memory. 'Let men be good, and the government cannot be bad; if it be ill, they will cure it. But if men be bad, let the government be never so good, they will endeavor to warp and spoil it to their turn.' the very first law contained in the Petition of Rights of 1682 makes it one of the qualifications of members of the Assembly and of those who have the right to vote for members, that they 'shall be such as profess and declare that they believe in Jesus Christ to be the son of God, the Saviour of the world.' Among the laws agreed upon in England in 1682, and in force in 1682-1700, is the following: 'That all persons living in this province, who confess and acknowledge the One Almighty and Eternal God to be the Creator, Upholder and Ruler of the world, and that hold themselves obliged in conscience to live peaceably and justly in civil society, shall in no ways be molested or predjudiced for their religious permission or persuasion or practiced in matters of faith and worship, nor shall they be compelled at any time to frequent or maintain any religious worship, nor shall they be compelled at any time to frequent or maintain any religious worship, place or ministry whatever.' In 1697, this law was reenacted, with the additional clause: ' and if any person shall abuse or deride any other for his or her different persuasion or practice in matters of religion, such person shall be looked upon as a disturber of the peace and be punshed accordingly.' This was afterwards declared by enactment to be the very first of the Fundamental Laws of the Province. When again enacted in 1700, it was repealed by the Queen in Council upon the exception of the Attorney-General--'I am of the opinion that this law is not fit to be confirmed, no regard being had in it to the Christian religion, and also for that in the indulgence allowed to the Quakers in England, by the statute of the first William and Mary, chapt. 18 (which sort of people are also the principal inhabitants of Pennsylvania) they are obliged by the declaration to profess faith in God, and in Jesus Christ, His Eternal Son, the True God, and in the Holy Spirit, One God Blessed forevermore; and to acknowledge the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be given by Divine inspirations, and also for that none can tell for what conscientious practices allowed by this act may extend to.' tbc

Rod, I just thought I would pass on the news that I have reviewed all the demos I could find for the genealogy class I'm teaching in January. (It has since expanded to three classes!) I thank you for your reference to Cumberland. I have decided to recommend rather than require a specific program. I think there are four or five I will include and Cumberland is definitely one of them. It is comparatively easy to use and it has a number of features not found in comparably priced software. If you are looking for something in the $50.00 price range, it is hard to beat. Barbara PennaDutch@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-10-16 11:34:19 EDT, you write: > > << > This is *almost* off topic, and I've seen it discussed in alternate > forums, but never with a straightforward answer: does anybody have a > cheap (okay, maybe free) site/calculator they know of for using death > date & age to back into birthdate? > >> > Cumberland family tree shareware/software has a calculator as a built in > feature. It makes the conversion to gregorian and has several calc features > including auto field entry, calcing 1st or 2nd dates, interim period etc. > > rod > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Could someone give some information on any of these names? Are they all of German origin? Are there different ways of spelling them? Fultz, Graham, Gritman, Klinginsmith, Bougher (Booher).I cannot seem to find any family for my families. My Fultz's were in Kansas around the turn of the century. Graham's from PA>MN>SD. Klinginsmith in MO, married a Bougher from IA. I can't seem to find any one they belong to. If you have any of these from those states please contact me. Thank You, Kathy rclevela@pacbell.net

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Looking for a Jacob Boyer b.? and married to Maria Houranden b?, possibly in Berks County, Pa. for 1820 census. Also a Jacob Boyer, Jr from 1830 census in Union County, Pa.(Washington Twp.). There was a son Henry A. Boyer, b. 23 Apr. 1834 and married to Sarah Luck on 23 Aug. 1855. Trying to make these connections. Anyhelp appreciated. Cadyboy ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

I know quite a bit about my Scottish lineage, but before I go any farther, I want to make sure that I'm not duplicating someone else's efforts. I don't want to recover old ground if the research has already been performed. Therefore, has anyone out there known of, partaken of, read of, etc. any written or documented Family History concerning William HYND & Margaret MACLEA N, who immigrated from Dunfermline, Fife County, Scotland to Clearfield County, Pennsylvania, USA in 1903? They had 9 children (Alex, Archie, Jessie, Bill, Larry, Katherine, Maggie, Jean, & Mary), and naturally had many, many descendants here in this country. Are any of you out there descended from this couple? I also want to mention that Margaret MACLEAN HYND's sister, Montgomery MACLEAN, was married to Thomas BEVERIDGE. Montgomery & Thomas immigrated to America in 1896 and also lived in PA. Although the Beveridges aren't in my direct line, I believe that since they were a well known family in Dunfermline, that maybe someone out there who has researched Beveridge might have just a tidbit or two of information for me <she asked hopefully with big, pleading puppy dog eyes> :-) I am also looking for someone named LINDA EAGER who used to live in Maryland in the 70's when I was a teenager. Once we were both at a one of the HYND reunions in Pennsylvania and exchanged addresses because we were both interested in our family history. Well I don't think I ever contacted her until recently and the letter came back addressee unknown. Are you out there Linda? How far did you ever get with our Scottish lineage? Please contact me!!! By the way, I apologize to the PENNA-DUTCH mailing list as these folks aren't Pennsylvania Dutch. However, some of William & Margaret's children did marry others who WERE PA Dutch, so I wanted to include this query on that list as well as on the GENBRIT & SURNAMES-BRITAIN lists. Haggis & Kissis, Lori Visit my HYND message board by clicking on the hyperlink below <A HREF="http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb18192">Hynd Genea logy</A> or if that doesn't work, go to: http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb18192 (Oh, and please don't anyone be offended by "Haggis & Kissis." That's my signature--you know instead of saying, "Hugs & Kisses"?)

Jeff: Regarding your reference to Sophia Renner, I don't believe she ended up in Bedford County. The information I have came from Joanna R. Rowe of Cleveland Heights, Ohio in 1977. She in turn based much of her data on Ruthella Bussard who lived in Frederick Co. Maryland. Ruthella has prepared a genealogy on Peter Bossard-Buzzard 1761-1862. I was in touch with her back in the late 1970's when she was publishing her book. I had intended to order it but never got around to it. I imagine it is probably on the shelf in various libraries in Frederick Co. Anyhow what I have is that Daniel Buzzard (Bossard, Bossart) was born on March 14, 1736 in Germany and died in 1814 in Frederick County, Md. He was married to Sophia Renner on March 25, 1760. She was born on February 19, 1740 also in Germany (probably). She died in February of 1826 and is buried in the Glade Reformed Church Cemetery in Walkersville, Frederick Co., Maryland. Daniel and Sophia supposedly came to the U.S. together in 1749 arriving in Baltimore, Maryland. Note that they would have been children at the time. They settled in Cumru Township, Berks Co., Pennsylvania. Their first three children were born there; they then moved to Frederick County, Maryland. This is what I have; to the extent it is documented one might want to check Ruthella Bussard's book (previously mentioned). Maybe some day (when I fully retire), I'll try to do that. If you would like I can send you a copy of my chapter on Daniel and Sophia which also lists their children with birth dates, etc. Carson ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Janet wrote (while yanking her hair out) [snip][note: the previous word is not related to hair...] > Anyway, if the person researching HAFER is still on this list, I am > trying to find a connection to a female Hafer marrying William RENNER. > Either HAFER of William RENNER would have been born sometime > 1700-1750... > I show this female HAFER marrying (no date) and having the following > children: John, William, Kate, Annie and Abraham (b. 1768). William was > from Germany and after the marriage, they lived in Lanc. Co, PA...Noah > went to IN...Abraham went to Fred Co. MD...where the others went is > beyond me... > I am hoping someone can help me narrow down William RENNER's DOb, and > just exactly where he came from in GERMANY, which ship he arrived on, > and when he declared his intent....(I believe in Santa Clause, the > Easter Bunny, The Great Pumpkin and the Tooth Fairy, TOO!) I don't have anything direct for you, but have another "temporarily dead-ended" ancestor that might bring another piece to the puzzle. I have a SOPHIA RENNER born 19 February 1739or1740, who married a DANIEL BUSSARD on 5 March 1760. I have reason to believe that BUSSARD started out in *Virginia* (maybe born in Germany first) but then they ended up in Bedford County, Pa. I've had no success in finding anything else out about Sophia....but Renner's not that common, so maybe there is a clue here somewhere? After all, your William and my Sophia appear to be likely the right ages to be brother and sister, no? - Jeff the almost clueless Rinscheid copy to two of my cousins who are also researching.... ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

><< > This is *almost* off topic, and I've seen it discussed in alternate > forums, but never with a straightforward answer: does anybody have a > cheap (okay, maybe free) site/calculator they know of for using death > date & age to back into birthdate? > >> >Cumberland family tree shareware/software has a calculator as a built in >feature. It makes the conversion to gregorian and has several calc features >including auto field entry, calcing 1st or 2nd dates, interim period etc. > >rod Well, I don't know the formula, nor how it works but there is an excellant birthdate calculator on the web. The URL is http://enws347.eas.asu.edu:8000/~buckner/bdform.html It's very easy to use, both Gregorian and Julian, a litlle preview taken from the page: > >Calculates birthdate from death date and age of death in >year-month-day format. See also the JavaScript implementation. > >All dates, Gregorian or Julian, use New Year on Jan. 1. > >This new version uses three different computation methods: > > 1.30-day fixed-length months (the "8870" system is a variant of > this) > 2.Calendar-length months > 3.28-day fixed-length months (uses a 13-month year) (SNIP!!) Check it out! Bookmark it! I did :-) -Tim drawbau@da2.so-net.or.jp ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

a contradiction... I have info that states that James ADAIRE b. 1827, later of Pennsville, Penn Twp, Lanc County was born in Lancaster County. I also have another source that states he was born in York County(may have been Adams). the family was Presbyterian or United Presbyterian at the time of his birth. There are other errors in the research which has provided this contradiction, so I need to ferret out a record of his birth. Does anyone have any York records, particularly church or other,for this period that might prove or disprove his birth there? James is believed to be the youngest of 6 children b. 1814-1827 James ADAIRE married Susanna BADORF thanks for any help rod

Family Origins Program also has a built in calculator for dates. You plug in whichever date you know, and the years and it gives you the other date. Names I'm researching in PA include but are not limited to GARVER GERBER FELKER VOELKER VOLKER BOSTIAN BASTIAN BOSTON RUPPERT EHRENFRIED all early 1700s to late 1700s when these families migrated to the Mecklenburg/Rowan areas of North Carolina. Peggy Sue peggysue411@juno.com HomePage http://members.aol.com/PWilson411/indexe.html

Johannes DAERENDINGER & wife, Margaret CARL, were immigrants to Lancaster Co. from Ingelsheim, Germany. Two of their children, Jacob DEARINGER and Catherine DEARINGER, married Elizabeth & Henry HENDRICKS (respectively, of course!), in a double wedding 29 Jul 1789, in Woodford Co., KY. Elizabeth & Henry were the children of Peter & Mary HENDRICKS, who had also migrated from PA to KY. I have lots of names & some dates on the DAERENDINGERS in Germany, but nothing on the HENDRICKS line before Peter & Mary. Can anyone help fill in the blanks? Thanks! Marti in VA