In our area the flags are placed by the local veteran's organization. Check with them about a flag, they may not know he needs one. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Hello. I am very new at this and I do not know how to ask for help, so please forgive my informality. HELP!! I am searching for any LOOPER (LUPER/LOPER/LUPPER) prior to 1790. My ggggrandfather was Daniel Looper(Luper). He died between March and August 1808 leaving a widow Sarah and eight children who are accounted for (I think) He is listed in the 1790 census as being in Iredell Co. NC I believe there was a Joseph LOOPER next door to him, and listed in SC for the 1790 census. Also listed I think is a William Luper in Buncombe Co. NC 1790 and I think in VA a Jeremiah LOOPER. It is believed that the LOOPERS migrated to NC from Cumberland Co. PA, but I have not found them anywhere. The local FHC has not been a lot of help...they are 30 miles away and only open 2 hours 3 days a week. We only get to town 2xs a month! Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated. I am descended from William, Daniel's firstborn son. Possible relations: William, Joseph, Jeremiah I wish I could just go there and look, but I am sure I am not alone on that one! I hope to at least narrow down the search area and cut down on the Email lists. Thank you in advance Murray Looper Professor http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/4835 ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

In changing my mail program over to one that works, I lost a message from someone on this list who sent me a poem or two on Genealogy. It would be appreciated if you could resend, and in the meantime, I will speak to the Gremlins who seem to have better control over my email functions than I do....LOL If I sweet talk them, do you think they can keep my mail intact? Sincerely, Janet Davis goob@innova.net My Surnames http://www.innova.net/~goob/genealogy.html ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Dee's posting made me think of a problem we've been having with Alto Reste Cemetery out in Altoona, PA My father in law, Philip A MORNINGSTAR was a WW 2 Navy veteran and proud of it but my mother in law cannot get a military marker and flag to be placed on his grave at the usual holidays. I don't know who she's spoken to in the past. Who does one normally contact to get that accomplished? Bob Lamparter

I don't have anything to contribute to the "Jacob Rupert Story," but I do have a bit on the surname "Rupert" and assorted spellings. Anna Rosina RUPERT (aka Rubert/Ruppert) and Leonard GARBER/ GERBER/ GARVER Christ (Mertz) Lutheran Church Rockland Twp., Berks Co., Pa. 17 Jan 1765. [From F.G. Paul and J.J. Howell, Berks County, Pennsylvania Marriages. 1730 - 1800. Vol. 2. H.P. Publishing, Reading (1987). ] Additional "Rupert" research notes: HENKEL, PAUL, born Dec. 15, 1754, on Dutchman's Creek, 16 miles from Salisbury, in Rowan Co. (Now a part of Davie Co.), was the first Lutheran pastor born in N. C. Parents: Jacob and Mary Barbara (Teeter) Henkel. Married Elizabeth Negeley (sometimes spelled Negly, Nagly), Nov. 20, 1776. Children: Six sons and three daughters--Solomon (a physician), and five minister sons, Philip, Ambrose, Andrew, David and Charles; daughters were Hanna (married the Rev. John N. Stirewalt), Naomi, and Sabina. HENKEL, PHILIP L., second son of the Rev. Paul and Elizabeth (Negeley) Henkel; born Sept. 23, 1779, in Pendleton Co., Va. Married Catharine Rupert. Three sons are known, Rev. Eusebius, Rev. Irenaeus, and Ambrose Dedric; but records state that at his death he was survived by his wife and seven children. Licensed 1800 by Min. Of Pa., and ordained 1805 by N. C. Synod. ~~~~~~~~~` Further Research Notes: INHABITANTS OF COLEBROOKDALE--1728 Signers of PETITION OF INHABITANTS OF COLEBROOKDALE, [Berks Co., PA] 1728: Petitioning May 10, 1728 for relief of suffering at the hands of the "Ingians". Location: Falkners Swamp, and near "Coshahopin". PETITIONERS: John Roberts, Jn. Pawling, Henry Pannebackers, W. Lane, John Jacobs, ____D. Bais, Israell Morris, Benjamine Fry, Jacob Opdengraef, Richard Adams, George Poger, Adam Sollom, Dirtman Kolb, Martin Kolb,Gabriel Showler, Anthony Halmon, John Isaac Rlein (Klein?), Hanss Detweiler, William Bitts, Heinrich Rutt, Hubburt Castle, Henry Fentlinger, Christian Weber, Gerhart De Hesse, Lorentz Cinzamore, Richard Jacob, Herman RUPERT, Peter Bun, Jacob Cugnred, Christian Nighswanger,Conrad Cresson, Jacob Kolb, Hans Wolly Borgy, John Mier, Henrich Kolb, John Frot, Paul Frot, Wm. Smith, Peter Rambo, David Young, Christopher Schmit,Garrett Clemens, Mathias Tyson, Peter Johnson, Yost Hyt, Christian Aliback, Hans Rife, Daniel Stowfard, "And numerous others."[List ends here] [REFERENCE: PA Archives 1728, 1:1:214] Peggy Sue pwilson411@aol.com or peggysue411@juno.com HomePage http://members.aol.com/PWilson411/indexe.html ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Taking a longshot here... Does anybody know of a pamphlet or book on either the "History of Landisburg" (currently in Perry County) or "History of Wertzville" (near Harrisburg)? (Sometimes during bicentennials, such books were written. My cousins & I have been trying to track down a "previous" generation of WERTZ, likely DANIEL WERTZ, who is reported to have been born in Germany and came to America circa 1755-1775, settling in Landisburg. We have his children (about 8), most born in "Germany" from 1745 to 1763, but we haven't been able to find their parents.... I'm hoping that some history of these towns may help out... - Jeff R ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

"If ready to hazard their lives and to endure patiently all the trials of the voyage, they must farther think whether over and above the cost they will have enough to purchase cattle, and to provide for other necessities. no one should rely upon friends whom he may have here; for they have enough to do, and many a one reckons in this without his host. Young and ablebodied persons, who can do efficient work, can, nevertheless, always find someone who will purchase them for two, three or four years; but they must be unmarried. For young married persons, particularly when the wife is with child, no one cares to have. So also with old people and children. Of mechanics there are a considerable number already here; but a good mechanic who can bring with him sufficient capital to avoid beginning with debt, may do well, although of almost all classes and occupations, there are already more than too many. All this I have, out of sincere love for the interests of my neighbor, deemed it necessary to communicate concerning the present condition in Pennsylvania. With this I commit my beloved friend to the protection of God, and always remain 'His sincere friend, Caspar Wistar' But it is a mistake to suppose that these emigrants were always impoverished. They often brought with them a modest capital with which to begin life on this side of the ocean. Some were in good circumstances and were able to buy large farms. Their usual course was from Germany to Rotterdam in Holland, thence to England, and thence to Philadelphia. 'The frequency with which the same craft as shown by the records, entered the capes of the Delaware, implied a traffic partaking somewhat of the character of a ferry. For year after year the ships St. Andrew, Phoenix, Dragon, Patience, Mortonhouse, Pennsylvania, The Two Brothers, Nancy and many others discharged their human cargoes at Philadelphia, the average passenger lists embracing one hundred and fifty souls. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

PENNA-DUTCH-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Any RUSH researchers in the Conestoga/Pequa, Lancaster Co. area? > > Mary RUSH m. Jacob Groff b. 1802 > > son John Rush GROFF b. 1827 m. Mary KREIDER b. 1833 > > looking for ancestry of Mary RUSH > > thanks > rod Rod, Can't help you exactly, BUT, I do have an Ida Groff (1866-1958), m 1889 to Sheridan Metz (1865-1936). Also, Jacob S Groff (1836-1908) m (1836) to Nancy (Anna ) N Alderfer (1834-1913). Dates for Jacob are obviously bogus- I doubt that he was married the same year he was born! Jacob S was the s of Abraham Groff of Bucks Co. Also have a Catharine (Resh) or Rush (1781-?) m to John George Crouthamel (1779-1855). I am most interested in additional information on Catharine (esp. ancestors). Perhaps you have some you could share? Let me know if we connect. Gary Anderson -- Gary Anderson (mailto:gandrsn@ocean.st.usm.edu) http://tidepool.st.usm.edu/gandrsn/gandrsn.html ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Sarah KUHN b. 1809 m. Benjamin REES b. 1798. In the family bible are listed their 4 sons. Franklin, Edward, Martin K. and Witmer. In another column are listed Amos and John SIDES(both precede the REES sons in birth. She was probably previously married. Any SIDES/SEITZ researchers in the Strasburg/New Providence area have a contemporary that might fit. thanks rod ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Any RUSH researchers in the Conestoga/Pequa, Lancaster Co. area? Mary RUSH m. Jacob Groff b. 1802 son John Rush GROFF b. 1827 m. Mary KREIDER b. 1833 looking for ancestry of Mary RUSH thanks rod ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Hi, I swear I have seen a Cat's Meow of the Zion Blue Mountain Church in Upper Tulpehocken Twp. As all of my family originates from that area and that was their church, I would really like to find one for me and my sisters. My problem is I live in Massachusetts and although do visit there often, I don't know the next time I will be able to go, so if anyone does any any info, I would need an address to write to. I would really really appreciate any help anyone could give me, or even to verify that there is a Cat's Meow of the Church. Thanks so much, Heidi Berger Somers

"No more vivid picture could be drawn of the condition of the majority of the immigrants than a letter of Casper Wistar, already referred to. We quote from the 'Sammlung auserlesener Materian zum Bau des Reichs Gottes' (Leipzig), for 1733. where it is credited to the Leipzig 'Zeitungen' of May 22, 1733, having been written in Philadelphia, November 8, 1732. 'Being importuned daily by so many of our countrymen to relieve them from the great distress, into which they have come, partially through their own thoughtlessness, and partially by the persuasion of others, and it being absolutely impossible to help all, sympathy for the poor people still in the Fatherland, and who, before undertaking such a journey, have time to reflect, constrains me to give a true account of things in this new land. I make this particular request that these facts may be reported everywhere, that no one may have the excuse for learning them only from his own personal experience. Some years ago this was a very fruitful country, and, like all new countries, but sparsely inhabited. Since the wilderness required much labor, and the inhabitants were few, ships that arrived with German emigrants were cordially welcomed. They were immediately discharged, and by their labor very easily earned enough to buy some land. Pennsylvania is but a small part of America, and has been open now for some years, so that not only many thousand Germans, but English and Irish have settled there, and filled all parts of the country; so that all who now seek land must go far into the wilderness, and purchase it at a higher price. Many hardships also are experienced on the voyage. Last year one of the ships was driven about the ocean for twenty-four weeks, and of its one hundred and fifty passengers, more than one hundred starved to death. To satisfy their hunger, they caught mice and rats; and a mouse brought half a gulden. When the survivors at last reached land, their sufferings were aggravated by their arrest, and the exaction from them of the entire fare for both living and dead. This year ten ships with three thousand souls have arrived. One of the vessels was seventeen weeks on the way and about sixty of its passengers died at sea. All the survivors are sick and feeble, and what is worst, poor and without means; hence, in a community like this where money is scarce, they are in a burden, and every day there are deaths among them. Every person over fourteen years old, must pay six doubloons (about 90 dollars**at time of the writing of this piece) passage from Rotterdam, and those between four and fourteen must pay half that amount. When one is without money, his only resource is to sell himself for a term of three to eight years or more, and to serve as a slave. Nothing but a poor suit of clothes is received when his time has expired. Families endure a great trial when they see the father purchased by one master, the mother by another, and each of the children by another. All this for the money only that they owe the Captain. And yet they are only too glad, when after waiting long, they at last find someone willing to buy them; for the money of the country is well nigh exhausted. In view of these circumstances, and the tedious, expensive and perilous voyage, you should not advise any one for whom you wish well to come hither. All I can say is that those who think of coming should weigh well what has been above stated, and should count the cost, and, above all, should go to God for counsel and inquire whether it be His will, lest they may undertake that whereof they will afterward repent." -this letter of casper Wistar will be completed in next part- tbc

My cousin recently tried to remember a story about the PA Dutch roots of Jacob Rupert, former owner of the NY Yankees and Beer Baron. He seemed to remember there was some mystery or peculiarity about the story, but couldn't remember any details. He also thought there was some family connection, but the only similar name I have is an Elizabeth Ruperti, wife of Peter Wentz, who lived in the early 1700's in Montgomery Co. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

In a message dated 97-10-18 22:02:30 EDT, EJIsrael@aol.com writes: > And again, since there's not 35 days in a month, subtract 30 days from the > "day" column and add "1" month to the month column, and you get 1900 08 05 > (Aug 5, 1900). It worked! (But if I didn't know he was born Aug 5, I would > have subtracte 31 days and had his date of birth as Aug 4). > Jane, had you used the other method it would have been accurate to the day. died 1971 02 (month) 21 (day) age 70 (yrs.) 6 (months) 16 (days) Borrow one from the year and add 12 months to the months as follows: 1970 14 21 - age at death 70 06 16 ---------------------------------------------- 1900 08 05 = Aug. 5, 1900 With this method there is no need to worry about how many days are in the month. Joan Myers Young ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I decided to try the following calculation using my father's age when he died (since I know his date of birth, it would be a good way to check and see I was doing it right). As you'll see, it seems to require using 30 as the number of days in a month: (My father was born Aug 5, 1900 and died Feb 21, 1971) Date of death: 19710221 Age at death: 700616 Subtracting, you get as result: 19009605 Subtract correction factor: 8870 New result: 19000735 And again, since there's not 35 days in a month, subtract 30 days from the "day" column and add "1" month to the month column, and you get 1900 08 05 (Aug 5, 1900). It worked! (But if I didn't know he was born Aug 5, I would have subtracte 31 days and had his date of birth as Aug 4). Jane In a message dated 97-10-17 00:18:16 EDT, PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com writes: << Example: Date of death is listed as May 6,1889 and the age at death given as 78 years, 3 months, and 27 days. Death date expressed as 18890506 Age is expressed as 780327 Difference 18110179 Subtract the correction factor 8870 Result 18101309 This translates as the 9th day of the 13 month in the year 1810. Since there isn't a 13th month, add 1 to the year and subtract 12 from the months. The true birthdate then becomes Jan 9,1811. >> ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Greetings from a new member! Is anyone researching the family of George Gossert born October 9, 1811 or 1813 (two different sources). He was married to Nancy Stickell (born August 29, 1814, died 1890). They lived in Franklin county , Pennsylvania, and had the following children: Elizabeth Ann Aug 25, 1838 Henry Calvin 1839 Catharine Lumanda 1842 Daniel July 7, 18943 Cyrus 1845 George Jr. 1846 Margaret Ann Gossert Jan 6, 1848 Charlott August 18, 1851 (Charlott is my GGrandmother) Thomas J. June 16, 1854 Hope these names are familiar to someone! Carol Aldinger ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Greetings All! Has anyone ever heard of Adam Hohenadel from Niederbetschdorf. He was born July 20, 1805 and family lore has him immigrating to this country from Darmstadt around 1835. We think he landed in Baltimore, MD and moved on to Pennsylvania where he settled for keeps near Waynsboro, dying 15 Sep, 1865. He was married to Markreda Mitchel. They had the following children that we know of: Lisabertha Hohenadel 1833 Luiese Hohenadel 1834 Johannes Hohenadel 1836 Franz Hohenadel 1838 (changed to Francis Honodel) Markreda Hohenadel 1840 Meri E. Hohenadel 1842 Adam Hohenadel 1844 Katharinna Hohenadel 1847 Johannes Heinrich Hohenadel 1849 Jakob Hohenadel 1853 Susan Hohenadel 1859 Hope someone has heard of this family. Those of us who have been trying to find immigration records or ship lists have had no luck. Carol Aldinger

dnj@netins.net The Christ Lutheran Church at 701 S. Charles in Baltimore, MD., was formerly called the Christ "English" Lutheran Church. The office staff told me, recently, it was named this because sermons were in the English language, versus German. My relative, Leander M. Zimmerman founded this church in the late 1800's. Joan ---------- > From: Country Grace <cg@seidata.com> > To: PENNA-DUTCH <PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Lutheran Churches > Date: Saturday, October 18, 1997 10:39 AM > > Can anyone tell me what an "English" Lutheran Church is/was? > > My ggGrandparents belonged to St. Mathews English Lutheran Church when > they died in Bartholomew Co., IN. > > I was always told they were PA Dutch ...... so I assumed German. Does > this make sense? TIA > > Trish Melton Wade, IN ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

PAF also has a built in date calculator and now has an add on the will allow it to operate from a Windows base and the price is also great.. -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Eberly <beberly@wcu.campus.mci.net> To: PennaDutch@aol.com <PennaDutch@aol.com> Cc: jrinscheid@lucent.com <jrinscheid@lucent.com>; penna-dutch-l@rootsweb.com <penna-dutch-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, October 18, 1997 8:00 AM Subject: Re: NEW tombstone subject >Rod, >I just thought I would pass on the news that I have reviewed >all the demos I could find for the genealogy class I'm >teaching in January. (It has since expanded to three >classes!) I thank you for your reference to Cumberland. I >have decided to recommend rather than require a specific >program. I think there are four or five I will include and >Cumberland is definitely one of them. It is comparatively >easy to use and it has a number of features not found in >comparably priced software. If you are looking for >something in the $50.00 price range, it is hard to beat. >Barbara > >PennaDutch@aol.com wrote: >> >> In a message dated 97-10-16 11:34:19 EDT, you write: >> >> << >> This is *almost* off topic, and I've seen it discussed in alternate >> forums, but never with a straightforward answer: does anybody have a >> cheap (okay, maybe free) site/calculator they know of for using death >> date & age to back into birthdate? >> >> >> Cumberland family tree shareware/software has a calculator as a built in >> feature. It makes the conversion to gregorian and has several calc features >> including auto field entry, calcing 1st or 2nd dates, interim period etc. >> >> rod >> >> ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >> Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

10-18-97 @ 1700 EDT Happily, a fellow researcher directed me to this site. Concentrated research is for all descendants of 1738 immigrant GEORGE ADAM EGOLF who was the patriarch of "The Montgomery County EGOLFs", as well as the descendants of 1746 immigrant MICHAEL EGOLF, (Sr.), and his sons, MICHAEL, Jr. and JOHANNES who were the patriarch(s) of "The Cumberland County EGOLFs", into the mid-19th Century. Several known variations of the root name EGOLF, are EGLOFF, EAGOLF, EGOLT, EGOLD, etc. all applicable. All inputs welcome and acknowledged, and of course, sharing where applicable. Thank you! Carl C. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html