Hi, Does anyone have a summary of the history of Honeybrook, Chester co., PA? I'm interested in it's founding and some of its history after that. Cheri Lee McElroy cmcelroy@mexia.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2840 ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

>I might add that the Moravian Church is still active in PA and North >Carolina. > >Joan Myers Young > > .......and Alaska too, thanks to their missionary work. Bob Lamparter

Are there any records of 1732 newspapers in Philadelphia. I am wondering if there are German Newspapers that ran classified adds or listing of Palatine immigrants arriving in Philadelphia. What I am trying to find is if the whole family is listed instead of the head male of the family. Any help would be appreciated. David Eckert

Looking for anyone with info on these surnames; ERNST, ANST, or AUGUST. Names include Dominic August and Barbara Ernst/Anst/August. These are names from the 1850-1860's. Barbara Ernst/Anst was Dominic's first wife and she later married John C/Kramer and moved to Illinois from either PA or OHIO. Please e-mail me... Roger Cramer, Rockford, IL http://members.aol.com/rogercubs/index.html ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I know quite a bit about my Scottish lineage, but before I go any farther, I want to make sure that I'm not duplicating someone else's efforts. I don't want to recover old ground if the research has already been performed. Therefore, has anyone out there known of, partaken of, read of, etc. any written or documented Family History concerning William HYND & Margaret MACLEA N, who immigrated from Dunfermline, Fife County, Scotland to Clearfield County, Pennsylvania, USA in 1903? They had 9 children (Alex, Archie, Jessie, Bill, Larry, Katherine, Maggie, Jean, & Mary), and naturally had many, many descendants here in this country. Are any of you out there descended from this couple? I also want to mention that Margaret MACLEAN HYND's sister, Montgomery MACLEAN, was married to Thomas BEVERIDGE. Montgomery & Thomas immigrated to America in 1896 and also lived in PA. Although the Beveridges aren't in my direct line, I believe that since they were a well known family in Dunfermline, that maybe someone out there who has researched Beveridge might have just a tidbit or two of information for me <she asked hopefully with big, pleading puppy dog eyes> :-) I am also looking to contact someone named LINDA EAGER who used to live in Maryland in the 70's when I was a teenager. Once we were both at a one of the HYND reunions in Pennsylvania and exchanged addresses because we were both interested in our family history. Well I don't think I ever contacted her until recently and the letter came back addressee unknown. Are you out there Linda? How far did you ever get with our Scottish lineage? Please contact me!!! By the way, I apologize to the PENNA-DUTCH mailing list as these folks aren't Pennsylvania Dutch. However, some of William & Margaret's children did marry others who WERE PA Dutch, so I wanted to include this query on that list as well. Haggis & Kissis, Lori Ray http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb18192

Seeking info on the following individual -- even just a county in PA! Frank ROUSH b 24 June 1812 Pennsylvania d 25 Jan 1894 Howell Co Missouri Spouse: Unknown Sons: John ROUSH b March 1837 Pennsylvania d 1915 Howell Co Missouri Spouse: Emmaline Cunningham? Ann ? Nan? Children: Adam (1866), Cora Emma (1870), Phillip (ca 1873), Wilson (ca 1874), Ida Frances (ca 1878), Lizzie (June 1880) Adam ROUSH b ca 1835 Pennsylvania Thanks for any help. Janis Walker Gilmore jgilmore@sccoast.net ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

In a message dated 97-10-21 03:02:29 EDT, you write: << >Do any of you have any experience with this kind of thing? I do not know beyond placing it in archival paper and keeping out of light. She would like to get it copied so she can share. I suggest getting one laser copy and then doing reproductions from it. But she still needs to know how to care for the original. If you have any experience with this or know someone who does, will you reply? > Her cousin, who actually *has* the document, asked Gale: >>A document dated 1715!!! It is the original and is falling apart, but can be read for the most part. I am scared to handle it much and I need to take it and have it restored, but am even scared to do that - it is so fragile. It is a land transfer, and speaks of a Francis Thornton Jr. of St. Mary's Co., VA, and Anthony Thorton of St. Mark's Parish. It is from John Knight and his wife Catherine to Anthony. I was shocked when I found it in the, get this, cardboard box full of letters and obits that my cousin Herrick had and didn't know what to do with. So glad I went to visit her before she died. She was going to give it all to the historical society and told me to take what I wanted.>> Please reply to: GaleFuller@aol.com & copy me at: ALurie6171@aol.com Thanks! Anne Lurie St. George, Vermont >> I'm not an expert and I don't know the complete process, but I do know they are using a long term freezing process to preserve old documents. Apparently the freezing, with time, will dry the paper out such that it becomes tough and more durable. I would certainly contact the National Archives or some historical authority to get the proper information...and meanwhile not handle that document or subject it to light. Good luck!! Laura ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

--------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: BERKS COUNTY, PA... Date: 97-10-22 13:10:22 EDT From: JYoung6180 To: EllieSS,janiceaf@ix.netcom.com In a message dated 97-10-22 07:42:27 EDT, you write: > Can anyone tell me more about the Moravians and their doctrine.. found we > > have Moravian family in the Host Cem.... Ellie and Janice, here is some information about the Moravians for you. It is a very old religion. In the very early days of Christianity 2 brothers, Cyril and Methodius, missionaries of the Greek Church came to the Kingdom of Moravia in the year 863. They travelled around the little country preaching their doctrine and more than 500 years later their teachings found a follower in John Huss. He graduated from the Univ. of Prague and became interested in theology. He became a preacher in Bethlehem Chapel in Prague. He preached against the Catholic Church. Because of this he was forced into exile. Then he was tricked into attending a meeting of the Catholic Church Council in Bohemia which proved fatal. He was seized and imprisoned, and on June 5, 1415, he was taken before the Council and was tried and convicted as a heretic. He was bound with wet ropes and tied to a stake driven into the ground. Straw and wood were piled around him. He was asked several times if he would recant, but each time he replied, "I shall die with joy in the faith of the Gospel which I have preached." The torch was applied and John Huss died, a martyr to his cause. His followers among the Bohemians formed a league. There was a war. As a result of this war the Unity of Brethren was formed. Thus, in 1457, sixty years before Martin Luther began his Reformation, the Moravian church was formed. After many years of persecution the Brethren were finally led, in 1628, across the mountains into Poland by John Amos Comenius. For 20 years they worshipped in peace until once again they were persecuted. They secretly kept their faith alive in Moravia, Bohemia, and Poland over the next 100 years. Another leader, Christian David, in the spring of 1722, spoke to Count Nicholas Louis von Zinzendorf, a young nobleman in Saxony. He was touched by their story and granted them asylum. Zinzendorf gradually decided that his beliefs coincided with the Brethren and he became their leader and protector. To find a home free from the dangers of persecution, and in order to carry the Gospel to the Indians, a settlement was first attempted in America at Savannah, Georgia, in 1735. Within five years the Moravians, who were pacifists, abandoned the Georgia colony due to threat of war with Spain and made their way to Pennsylvania. Under the leadership of Bishop Nitschmann and the learned Peter Boehler, the Moravians launched their new colony by founding the cities of Bethelehem, Nazareth, and Lititz. These were "closed communities," founded under a system of exclusiveness, which made them strictly church settlements in which all social, economic, and industrial pursuits were directly controlled and conducted by church authorities, for the benefit of the church organization. Such a system may have worked in Europe but met with limited success in America. From the beginning in America the Moravian church sent out missionaries and sought new members, and they also aided greatly in keeping the Indians peaceable due to their work among these people. By the 1740s many of the Lutheran Churches in PA were unable to provide enough ministers to meet the needs of the growing German and Swedish populations--the Moravians moved in and provided the needed services and their congregations swelled with former Lutherans. I might add that the Moravian Church is still active in PA and North Carolina. Joan Myers Young

In a message dated 97-10-22 07:50:48 EDT, janiceaf@ix.netcom.com writes: > I forgot to say about the Moravians: I am not sure they are considered > Pennsylvania Dutch and the reason may be that they came from a region > called Moravia, now in - well, I'm not sure whether the Czechs or > Slovaks got Moravia in the latest rearrangement of borders, but it is > not in what is now Germany, and I'm not sure whether it ever was. But > the people are definitely ethnic Germans, not Slavs. Many Moravians were among the Pennsylvania Dutch settlers and are preperly included in that context--they arrived in Coloinial times and landed and lived in Pennsylvania. Joan Myers Young

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Thanks to all who replied to my question, which I further confused by making a typo in my subject line (though not in my actual message). It was 'Dangel' of course, not 'Danget'. The consensus seems to be that it can be assumed to be Daniel until proven otherwise. The problem may be not so much how it sounds as how it looks; it is from a ship's list which they signed themselves in the old German writing. I have not seen the original list myself. My reasoning was that 'i' is easily confused with 'j' which is easily confused with 'g', but I wasn't very happy with this and wanted to know what others thought. So thanks again. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Researching names: FRANK, KELLER, LUPHER/LUPFER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ, TAYLOR ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

I'm trying to help a friend. John FISHER b. 1777 in most likely PA. He married either a Jane CHRISTINA or a Christina JANE. The latter was believed until my friend went to the cemetery in Auburn (De Kalb Co.), IN and saw the tombstones for this couple. On hers it reads Jane, wife of John FISHER. We think that both John and Jane/Christina were born in PA, perhaps in Berks Co. Then it seems as though they lived in Holmes Co., OH before relocating to Auburn, IN. Perhaps someone is tracing the FISHER line and knows the correct maiden surname for his wife. John was the son of Benjamin and Lydia (SOMMERLOT) FISHER. -Mary *********************************************************************** Mlfuller@aol.com (Mary Lynn Fuller) List owner: FAMILIES TOUCHED BY ADOPTION; GERMAN-AMERICAN, and GENIRE My family page: http://members.aol.com/mlfuller/index.html ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I forgot to say about the Moravians: I am not sure they are considered Pennsylvania Dutch and the reason may be that they came from a region called Moravia, now in - well, I'm not sure whether the Czechs or Slovaks got Moravia in the latest rearrangement of borders, but it is not in what is now Germany, and I'm not sure whether it ever was. But the people are definitely ethnic Germans, not Slavs. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Researching names: FRANK, KELLER, LUPHER/LUPFER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ, TAYLOR ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

EllieSS@aol.com wrote: > > Just returned from Harrisburg, PA... was in Berks Co Sunday w/family mbrs... > checking old cemeteries.. had a great time, but have a question... > > Can anyone tell me more about the Moravians and their doctrine.. found we > have Moravian family in the Host Cem.... > I know nothing much about their doctrine, except I think they believed in some kind of communal living, maybe something like the Shakers, but there is a large settlement of them in North Carolina; I think they are supposed to have come from Bethlehem, PA, (which they also founded). They were the founders (late 18th century?) of the old village of Salem, now incorporated into the city of Winston-Salem. The old German village has been preserved/restored a la Colonial Williamsburg and is something of a tourist site, called Old Salem. Although thought of as somewhat of an austere sect (I'm sure they are turning in their graves at having a cigarette named for their town, whose name means 'peace'; it is a form of the Hebrew 'Shalom'), they make a very big thing of Christmas, and now have quite a business in their cookies (very thin gingersnaps)and also 'Moravian Stars', a many-pointed three-dimensional star of translucent plastic (I suppose originally paper or parchment) with a lightbulb (originally a candle?) inside that people, by no means all of them Moravians, around here hang on porches for Christmas. That sentence is much too Germanic but you will get the idea. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Researching names: FRANK, KELLER, LUPHER/LUPFER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ, TAYLOR ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

"The Lutheran pastors, Muhlenberg, Brunnholtz and Handschuh, in reporting the religious condition of the German immigrants to Halle, in 1754 divide the history of the immigration into five periods. The first was from 1680-1708; the second, from 1708 to 1720. Of the later they say: 'In the years 1708, 1709, 1710 to 1720 when there was a great movement from the Palatinate to England, and a large number of people were sent thence to New York, under Queen Anne, not a few came from the same source to Pennsylvania also." They were largely people of a religious character, and brought with them Arndt's "True Christianity" and volumes of sermons and Prayer Books, besides the ponderous Bibles so familiar to their descendants among the heirlooms of their fathers; but, according to this report, their neglect to provide for themselves churches and ministers bore bitter fruit in the relative religious indifference of the next generation. Towards the close of the same period, they note the arrival of members of such communities as the Tunkers, Mennonites, Schwenckfelders, etc., of whom we have more accurate information elsewhere. The third period is from 1720 to 1730, with a large immigration from the Palatinate, Wurtemberg, Hesse-Darmstadt and other districts, as well as of many New York Palatines. Among them, there seemed more religious earnestness; but their extreme poverty prevented them from securing sufficient pastors. At the close of this period and the beginning of the next, from 1730 to 1740, a still more extensive immigration followed. This immigration moved in successive waves, representing different religious denominations. with some marked exceptions, it may be said that the communities composed of separatists from the State Churches came first; then came the Reformed; then the Lutherans; then the Moravians. The Reformed pastor Weiss reports in 1731 no less than 15,000 members of his church in Pennsylvania. Twenty years later Rev. Michael Schlatter estimated the entire population as 190,000, of whom 90,000 were Germans and 30,000 Reformed. Dr. J.H. Dubbs claims that up to the middle of the last century(1700's), the Reformed were by far the most numerous religious body in the Province. The Reformed Classis of Amsterdam in 1751, wrote the Pennsylvania was probably a Pella or Zoar, whence the godly might escape from the calamities threatening the Old World, and add that thousands of immigrants, chiefly from the Palatinate and Switzerland, and the majority of them adherents to the Reformed faith, have already taken refuge there." tbc ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

There is a place in Bowmansville, Lancaster County that makes alot of local churches, Pagoda in Reading, Kutztown & Penn State U. etc.- looks like Cat's Meow, let me get info from store where I bought it. Will get infi Thursday. Sylvia I got mine at Wishing Well - Fairground Square Mall, Reading, PA. For church, I would write to Church, they sell it probably. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

What is the name, I have an old record of Moravians in that area. The Doctrine is to long to send you email, but Moravian Book Store in Bethlehem can help you, also thr Moriavian Archives where you can research can help you, they have wonderful records. Sylvia ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

I have found that the spelling of the names in the passenger lists into Philadelphia were so various and far off that after I bought the books (Pa German Pioneers) and could study them at home...I found other ancestors. Given names weren't too bad......but some of the surnames were unreal to find while sitting in a library. Jean ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Thanks to all who told me who to contact to get the Veteran marker on my father in law's grave. A large number of people responded, so much easier to reply to the list rather than to all of you individually although I appreciate each of your messages to me individually. Thanks again. Bob Lamparter ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Looking for Robert KILGORE. He came over with his daughter's family, John EWING and Sarah KILGORE, from Massachusetts in 1750 and settled in Philadelphia. After a few years there, moved to Huntingdon County and settled. According to family records, he was in the Revolutionary War and he was scalped by Indians at Potter's Fort in Huntingdon County???? Any help with info on this family would be greatful. David Eckert ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html